Sunspots

[rcglinsk]

In the most recent picture of the day Mr. Smith said that the recent derth in sunspots was probably caused by a lack of current flow. I hope someone has the link handy, but I've read on a site like this one the paper Alfven wrote about his experiments to simulate the sun. In the experiments the presence of sunspots was associated in a high rate of change in the amount of current flowing through his sphere. There was no relationship between absolute value of current and sunspots observed. So, a derth of sunspots would imply a small or zero rate of change in the current, but say nothing about whether it's in a high or low state.

[nick c]

hi rcglinsk,

Don't know if this helps to resolve the issue, but here is Don Scott's analysis of sunspots:
http://www.electric-cosmos.org/sun.htm

Sunspots and Coronal Holes
In a plasma, both the dimensions and the voltages of the anode tufts depend on the current density at that location (near the anode). The tufts appear and/or disappear, as needed, to maintain a certain required relationship between +ion and electron numbers in the total current. This property of anode tuft plasmas was discovered, quantified, and reported by Irving Langmuir over fifty years ago.
In the Electric Sun model, as with any plasma discharge, tufting disappears wherever the flux of incoming electrons impinging onto a given area of the Sun's surface is not sufficiently strong to require the shielding produced by the plasma double layer. At any such location, the anode tufting collapses and we can see down to the actual anode surface of the Sun. Since there is no arc discharge occurring in these locations, they appear darker than the surrounding area and are termed "sunspots". Of course, if a tremendous amount of energy were being produced in the Sun's interior, the spot should be brighter and hotter than the surrounding photosphere. The fact that sunspots are dark and cool strongly supports the contention that very little, if anything, is going on in the Sun's interior. The center of the spot is called its umbra.
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Because there is no anode tufting where a spot is located, the voltage rise (region a to b in the energy plot above), which normally limits the local flow of positive ions leaving the anode surface, does not exist there. In sunspots, then, a large number of ions will flood outward toward the lower corona. Such a flow constitutes a large electrical current - and, as such, will produce a strong localized magnetic field near the sunspot.

nick c

[Lloyd]

* Kim mentioned this site, which lists naked-eye observations of sunspots in China from 164 BC to 1918 AD: ftp://ftp.ngdc.noaa.gov/STP/SOLAR_DATA/ ... ly_Reports.

[GaryN]

Thats very interesting Lloyd. The face in the Sun was reported from
many places, and must have been an instability that looked very much
like a face. The black spot was also widely reported.
In this image, you will notice the 16 rays. The number of rays drawn
changed over time, but 4,8,16 were the most common. Very EM-ish.

[Lloyd]

* Gary, how about more info, a link, or something, on that?

[GaryN]

Hi Lloyd,
That was an image I found using 'ancient sun symbols' and 'pagan sun symbols'
search. That image is one of the Hindu sun God, Surya. The Mayans had a similar
depiction, and there were Roman and Celtic depictions that all seemed to have a
forehead marking and the mustache in common.

Wiki has a basic page on the solar symbols, and it seems the Suns appearance
changed over time, and that the change was noted in the depictions world wide.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_symbol
It is my belief that these changes were the result of the Sun being subject
to changes in the Birkeland current characteristics, though I suppose there
could be other reasons, galactic magnetic fields, waves of x or gamma rays?
The nature of the changes reinforces my belief that the Sun is an electromagnetic
device though, I don't see how the fusion model could behave so.

[GaryN]

Interesting to note the progression of what I believe began as
patterns on the Sun that resembled a face, which became more
human looking over time, and eventually morphed into a human
head with rays around it, to a head with the rayed crown, to
the early Jesus images, the Son, or Sun, of God. Just musing.

[Lloyd]

Gary said: Wiki has a basic page on the solar symbols, and it seems the Suns appearance changed over time, and that the change was noted in the depictions world wide. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_symbol
- It is my belief that these changes were the result of the Sun being subject to changes in the Birkeland current characteristics, though I suppose there could be other reasons, galactic magnetic fields, waves of x or gamma rays? The nature of the changes reinforces my belief that the Sun is an electromagnetic device though, I don't see how the fusion model could behave so.

* In the Cardona Interview thread, at http://thunderbolts.info/forum/phpBB3/v ... 226#p49930, I showed that Cardona found that the Sun initially referred to Saturn. He and Talbott et al have said elsewhere that Venus appeared on the face of Saturn during the Golden Age of Saturn between about 10,000 and 4,500 years ago. And Mars moved from the center of Venus to a distance away from both of them while growing large, getting nearer to Earth, and then returning back to the center of Venus, and repeating that process continuously. Talbott showed that at some point Venus developed 8 rays and the symbol of a Sun with an 8-rayed star in the center, with rays extending to the circumference of the Sun, was depicted by the Sumerians and others. This Sun was actually Saturn. I think Talbott said that, eventually, Venus too became unstable and moved toward Earth and 3 of the 8 rays became hidden as Venus rotated, so only 5 rays remained visible and they had the appearance of a Hand, as the rays became rounded, like fingers.
* To discuss this any further, please do so at that thread. I'll copy this there and add some more.