From LMXB to Pulsar

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From LMXB to Pulsar

Post by greylion » Fri May 22, 2009 3:59 am

Just saw this mentioned yesterday elsewhere:
http://www.nrao.edu/pr/2009/mspulsarbirth/ (There's probably a better, more detailed source somewhere).
This system went from being a low-mass X-ray binary to a pulsar, with a fairly shortlived stage inbetween where one of them had a disc (or sphere?) of matter around it.
So what really happened - a change in electrical stress, of one or both stars, or did one of them fission? What led to the current pulsar with periodic discharging between the two?

If the shift was due to a change in their electrical stress or environment, I'm wondering if the redshift for one or both changed too, and if so, wouldn't this be a golden opportunity to measure it again?
The same goes for other astronomical objects that have shown rapid change since we began recording their redshifts.

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Re: From LMXB to Pulsar

Post by Solar » Fri May 22, 2009 3:37 pm

I think I've found some photos and articles of this stellar formation.

First of all the articles:
A novel type of source? Gamma rays from the vicinity of the Wolf-Rayet binary WR 20a

"Discovery of a new type of very-high-energy gamma ray emitter"

Larger photo:

Significance contours of the gamma-ray source HESSJ1023-575

The caption reads:
The wind-blown bubble around WR 20a, and the blister to the west of it can be seen as depressions in the radio continuum map. The blister is indicated by white dots as in Whiteoak and Uchida (1997), and appears to be compatible in direction and location with HESSJ1023-575.
If this is the same cluster there is an interesting image of a non-gravitationally lensed plasmoid-like object in this paper. RCW 49 is the name of the "giant ionized hydrogen cloud":

High-resolution radio observations of RCW 49
An international team of astrophysicists from the H.E.S.S. collaboration has announced the discovery of a new type of very-high-energy (VHE) gamma ray source. Combining data obtained during a systematic survey of the Galactic Plane and dedicated pointed observations of the telescope array revealed energetic gamma radiation coincident with the stellar cluster Westerlund 2, which is embedded in the giant ionized hydrogen cloud RCW49. The new VHE source, HESS J1023-575, is a first indication of extreme particle acceleration associated with a young open stellar cluster, an ensemble of stars which are particularly interesting due to ongoing star formation and the existence of extremely massive stars, known as Wolf-Rayet (WR) stars. One of these, WR 20a, a close binary systems of two WR stars orbiting each other, is the most massive of all confidently-measured binaries presently known in our Galaxy.

Wolf-Rayet stars (named for their discoverers) are evolved, massive stars near the end of their stellar live-cycle, when they are rapidly losing their mass by means of supersonic stellar winds. In the Westerlund 2 cluster, the Wolf-Rayet winds have literally blown bubbles around their stellar hosts, clearly visible in infrared and radio images of the region. Integrated over their lifetime, the wind energy output of Wolf-Rayet stars is not too far from the kinetic energy released in supernova explosions, and shocked winds are well suited to accelerate particles to high energy.
I think you may be correct regarding stellar fissioning as put forth by Don Scott in Electric Sky. Particularly "Onion-skin Fissioning" pgs 157-159. The rapid decrease in mass without supernova is interesting from this point of view. As well as "increasing electric current input to stars results in increasing maximum rotational speeds".

*If* that is the same formation referenced in the article you cite. It only uses J1023 with no other direct references. :?:

Article here mentions object as being referred to as PSR J1023+0038. I don't think it's the same, though the dynamic may be appropriate.
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Re: From LMXB to Pulsar

Post by nick c » Sat May 23, 2009 9:39 am

greylion, welcome to the forum,

From your referenced article:
http://www.nrao.edu/pr/2009/mspulsarbirth/
When observed again in 2000, the object had changed dramatically, showing evidence for a rotating disk of material, called an accretion disk, surrounding the neutron star. By May of 2002, the evidence for this disk had disappeared.
When mainstream uses the phrase "accretion disk" the EU translates it as "expulsion disk."
Disks of matter encircling stars are not due to gravitational accretion but to electrical expulsion.
http://www.holoscience.com/news.php?article=x49g6gsf
Back to the original article:
The astronomers then found that the object had been detected by NSF's Very Large Array (VLA) radio telescope during a large sky survey in 1998, and had been observed in visible light by the Sloan Digital Sky Survey in 1999, revealing a Sun-like star.
This is interesting, I wonder if the 1999 survey showed the companion star? In any event, the companion probably was recently born in the [url2=http://www.electric-cosmos.org/hrdiagr.htm]fissioning[/url2] process described by EU theorists.
Their results indicate that the neutron star's companion has less than half the Sun's mass, and orbits the neutron star once every four hours and 45 minutes.
The companion orbits the primary in less than 5 hours! :o
Seems like it is still very close to mama.
greylion wrote:If the shift was due to a change in their electrical stress or environment, I'm wondering if the redshift for one or both changed too, and if so, wouldn't this be a golden opportunity to measure it again?
The same goes for other astronomical objects that have shown rapid change since we began recording their redshifts.
Most of the EU literature concerning redshift deals with galactic scales, usually involving the anomaly of high redshifted quasars in relationships to lower redshifted galaxies. I don't know how much of this would apply to stellar scales. Here is TPOD quote on that subject:
This discrepancy in the calculations of how far away the Pleiades are may also cast light on the cosmological question of redshift. In his book, Seeing Red, Halton Arp has shown physical connections between galaxies and quasars of different redshifts. The higher redshift objects are smaller and fainter and appear to be younger. He also showed that this excess of redshift in younger objects applies to a smaller extent to stars -- bluer, hotter stars have higher redshifts than redder, cooler stars.
http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2005/ ... roblem.htm
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Re: From LMXB to Pulsar

Post by MGmirkin » Thu May 28, 2009 3:58 pm

Two words for ya'... Relaxation oscillator. Seriously, bone up on Don Scott's explanation!

(Stellar Evolution in the Electric Universe)
http://www.electric-cosmos.org/hrdiagr.htm

Look up "Variable Stars" and "Pulsars"... Methinks you may be pleasantly surprised. Did they just find the smoking gun for Don's explanation of discharges between closely orbiting stars? Hmm... Switched from x-ray binary to millisecond pulsar, you say?

Electrical shenanigans and goings on? ;)

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Re: From LMXB to Pulsar

Post by Osmosis » Thu May 28, 2009 11:45 pm

Relaxation Oscillator: Current supply (Birkeland Current) charging a capacitor (Double Layer), Double Layer arcs over, FLASH, repeat. :o

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