Hey look, they're half right.....

[Michael Mozina]

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2 ... 124520.htm

We of course live in an *electro*magnetic universe but hey, at least they're half way there.

This observation does tend to support Alfven's homopolar generator concepts. The mainstream is *grudgingly* having to admit that Alfven's cosmological predictions are correct, just like they've had to grudgingly accept that Birkeland's solar physics predictions were correct.

It's just bizarre that they'd fixate on the magnetism and ignore the electrical current, but denial of the role of the E field is the name of the game in astronomy today.

[comingfrom]

To create magnets we begin by winding copper around an object, preferably metallic,
and then we turn on the electricity.

What would be the windings around a magnetic object such as the Earth?
Oh look, we have tori of high speed charged particles around the earth, we call them the Van Allen belts.
Jupiter and Saturn have great magnetic fields, and look, they have tori, and rings.
Some planets have no magnetic field, and they also don't have tori.

Now what would be the windings around the Sun? We know the Sun has a significant magnetic field.
Oh look, the Sun has numerous large charged bodies orbiting it, we call them planets.

And through our space exploration we have discovered currents ("magnetic ropes/highways", "parker spirals", "polar rain", "electron beams", "steve", "strahl", and whatever else NASA chooses to call them on the day) going every where.

But it is like astrophysics knows little or nothing about fundamental electrical physics.
Magnetic fields are just there, suspended frozen in space, causing things to happen.
Except when explosions or high speed particle acceleration occur, then the fields lines in the frozen in magnetism moved and broke and reconnected.
When such big frozen magnetic fields break and reconnect, a lot of "stored up" energy can be released.
HA.

Gravity cannot explain everything for them, and when it doesn't, they conveniently blame it on magnetism.
As if knowing that we have permanent magnets is enough for us to believe that permanent magnetism simply pre-exists in space, causing things to happen.
For galaxies that is.
For stars and planets they have internal dynamos to generate the magnetism.

Yet we've know for hundreds of years what causes magnetic fields.
We make them, for Pete's sake.
Paul

[Michael Mozina]

Electophobia has paralyzed astronomy. Electricity is the term that dare not be mentioned in astronomy today. It's their version of Voldemort.

FYI, there were some significant flare events over the past 24 hours from the sun. The active region in the southern hemisphere that kept flaring was pointed at the Earth when they occurred. We should have some significant aurora activity over the next few days.

[BeAChooser]

It's just bizarre that they'd fixate on the magnetism and ignore the electrical current

Let's face it, they are idiots.

[Roshi]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_field

A magnetic field is the magnetic effect of electric currents and magnetic materials

Magnetic fields are produced by permanent magnets - or electric currents. If there are no electric currents, for certain the Sun is a permanent magnet.

If I search, they say something about electricity, they can't really say Earth or Sun are permanent magnets, but they do not follow their theory, still there is no electricity in space, and all motion is governed by gravity +magic invisible extra matter:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth%27s ... cal_origin

and very short article, it's clear they hate magnetic fields which imply electric currents:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_dynamo

The solar dynamo is the physical process that generates the Sun's magnetic field. A dynamo, essentially a naturally occurring electric generator in the Sun's interior, produces electric currents and a magnetic field, following the laws of Ampère, Faraday and Ohm, as well as the laws of hydrodynamics, which together form the laws of magnetohydrodynamics. The detailed mechanism of the solar dynamo is not known and is the subject of current research.

90% of the "learned people" in ancient times were idiots. They persecuted real scientists. 90% of "learned people" today are still idiots, just the religion has changed.

And, as Mark Twain says, those 90% just repeat what they heard, it's not because they thought anything through:

I know your race. It is made up of sheep. It is governed by minorities, seldom or never by majorities. It suppresses its feelings and its beliefs and follows the handful that makes the most noise. Sometimes the noisy handful is right, sometimes wrong; but no matter, the crowd follows it. The vast majority of the race, whether savage or civilized, are secretly kind-hearted and shrink from inflicting pain, but in the presence of the aggressive and pitiless minority they don't dare to assert themselves. Think of it! One kind-hearted creature spies upon another, and sees to it that he loyally helps in iniquities which revolt both of them. Speaking as an expert, I know that ninety- nine out of a hundred of your race were strongly against the killing of witches when that foolishness was first agitated by a handful of pious lunatics in the long ago. And I know that even to-day, after ages of transmitted prejudice and silly teaching, only one person in twenty puts any real heart into the harrying of a witch. And yet apparently everybody hates witches and wants them killed. Some day a handful will rise up on the other side and make the most noise--perhaps even a single daring man with a big voice and a determined front will do it--and in a week all the sheep will wheel and follow him, and witch-hunting will come to a sudden end.

[Zyxzevn]

.. If there are no electric currents, for certain the Sun is a permanent magnet...

Correct.
But all permanent magnets that I know of do not work above certain temperatures.
So those scientists have proven that the sun must be very cold.

[nick c]

Magnetic fields are produced by permanent magnets - or electric currents. If there are no electric currents, for certain the Sun is a permanent magnet.

All magnetic fields are created by electric currents.
Permanent magnets (a misnomer for they are not 'permanent') are also generated by an electric current.
see:
http://farside.ph.utexas.edu/teaching/3 ... ode77.html

In conclusion, all magnetic fields encountered in nature are generated by circulating currents. There is no fundamental difference between the fields generated by permanent magnets and those generated by currents flowing around conventional electric circuits. In the former, case the currents which generate the fields circulate on the atomic scale, whereas, in the latter case, the currents circulate on a macroscopic scale (i.e., the scale of the circuit).

Permanent magnets (lodestones) are created by an electric discharge. After the current is removed the alignment of electrons, as described in the link above, remains as a remnant effect of the electric discharge. Over time this arrangement will break down and the permanent magnet will lose it's magnetism.
see:
http://scienceunderground.org/space/cre ... ghtning-2/
https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals ... ore-reader

If any celestial bodies act as permanent magnets, then their magnetic field would be a remnant of a past electrical condition.

[Michael Mozina]

Magnetic fields are produced by permanent magnets - or electric currents. If there are no electric currents, for certain the Sun is a permanent magnet.

All magnetic fields are created by electric currents.
Permanent magnets (a misnomer for they are not 'permanent') are also generated by an electric current.
see:
http://farside.ph.utexas.edu/teaching/3 ... ode77.html

In conclusion, all magnetic fields encountered in nature are generated by circulating currents. There is no fundamental difference between the fields generated by permanent magnets and those generated by currents flowing around conventional electric circuits. In the former, case the currents which generate the fields circulate on the atomic scale, whereas, in the latter case, the currents circulate on a macroscopic scale (i.e., the scale of the circuit).

Permanent magnets (lodestones) are created by an electric discharge. After the current is removed the alignment of electrons, as described in the link above, remains as a remnant effect of the electric discharge. Over time this arrangement will break down and the permanent magnet will lose it's magnetism.
see:
http://scienceunderground.org/space/cre ... ghtning-2/
https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals ... ore-reader

If any celestial bodies act as permanent magnets, then their magnetic field would be a remnant of a past electrical condition.

The mainstream's elecrophobia is utterly irrational. The only really 'logical' way to heat solar atmospheric plasma to millions of degrees, and sustain coronal plasma at such high temperatures for days and weeks on end is to use electric fields and electrical current to do it.

The M and X class flares occurring this week are all electrical discharge related phenomenon. How they can even 'miss' that fact is simply beyond me.

In nature, the movement of charged particles is the 'cause' of magnetic fields. Even solid magnets are the result of organized electron valance shell alignments inside the solid. It's still the movement of those organized electrons that produces the field.

In space plasma, the current inside the field aligned current is what generates the magnetic field, which in turn "pinches" the plasma thread together, and the magnetic field follows the current patterns in the twisted filaments. It's basic EM physics, yet it's oh so mysterious to the mainstream. A whole century *after* Birkeland not only explained a corona, but *replicated* a corona in his lab, the mainstream still can't explain the sun's full sphere corona because they refuse to turn on the electricity.

Their electrophobia is just childish at this point. Watching them do solar physics is like watching an episode of the keystone cops.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8jphxpi1ro

[Webbman]

real science is very valuable so all you get is science for public consumption which is worthless. They aren't stupid.

[Zyxzevn]

..They aren't stupid.

In noticed that many scientists have a limited capacity to change their minds about
subjects that they have been trained in.
Only if they go to the depth of the matter, they notice that their models do not match
the observed reality. But they can not tell exactly why.
And because other tell them that the models must fit, they are forcing themselves
to use wrong models on the phenomena.

If they don't they will lose their scholarship, PhD, research position, job, etc.
And what can the say if other "specialists" tell that those models must work.
They may be smart to hold on to their models.

But from "sceptics" I often see the claim: "there is no other model."
Somehow they have managed to totally push away the idea that electric forces
might have any role in the universe.
And yet, electric forces are clearly visible on the sun.
If this is not stupid, I do not know what is.

[Webbman]

what I'm saying is that you look at the universities as the bastion of science. I don't. Like I said, public consumption.

[Webbman]

Magnetic fields are produced by permanent magnets - or electric currents. If there are no electric currents, for certain the Sun is a permanent magnet.

All magnetic fields are created by electric currents.
Permanent magnets (a misnomer for they are not 'permanent') are also generated by an electric current.
see:
http://farside.ph.utexas.edu/teaching/3 ... ode77.html

In conclusion, all magnetic fields encountered in nature are generated by circulating currents. There is no fundamental difference between the fields generated by permanent magnets and those generated by currents flowing around conventional electric circuits. In the former, case the currents which generate the fields circulate on the atomic scale, whereas, in the latter case, the currents circulate on a macroscopic scale (i.e., the scale of the circuit).

Permanent magnets (lodestones) are created by an electric discharge. After the current is removed the alignment of electrons, as described in the link above, remains as a remnant effect of the electric discharge. Over time this arrangement will break down and the permanent magnet will lose it's magnetism.
see:
http://scienceunderground.org/space/cre ... ghtning-2/
https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals ... ore-reader

If any celestial bodies act as permanent magnets, then their magnetic field would be a remnant of a past electrical condition.

just a thought but if something has a magnetic field that also means it still has a current circulating through it. So I say its not so much a remnant as it is a very efficient circuit we don't quite understand.

[nick c]

So I say its not so much a remnant as it is a very efficient circuit we don't quite understand.

I used the term remnant because a permanent magnet is going to lose its magnetic quality (inevitably) over time. Heating and mechanical shock disturb the subatomic alignment reducing the magnetism over time. Since lodestones have been created in the lab with electrical discharges, it seems to me that the magnetic field is indeed a remnant of a past electrical condition.
Interesting note:
https://nationalmaglab.org/education/ma ... /lodestone

Dr. Peter Wasilewski of NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center recently demonstrated that only magnetite with a specific composition and crystal structure has the potential to become lodestone. The pieces of magnetite that naturally realized this potential, Wasilewski believes, did so by being struck with lightning. The electric discharge that accompanies lightning creates a temporary, but very strong magnetic field. This field, Wasilewski argues, is strong enough to magnetize lodestone, while the earth’s magnetic field is not. Wasilewski has successfully demonstrated the magnetization of pieces of magnetite at a laboratory in New Mexico that specializes in lightning studies, providing strong support for his theory.

disclaimer:
I do not think that stars are permanent magnets as I lean toward an external galactic power source. However, I cannot eliminate the possibility that some smaller celestial bodies may have been magnetized; having at some point in their history been exposed to an enormous cosmic electrical discharge.

[Webbman]

but the alignment of atoms doesn't create or maintain a field. The alignments of atoms allows for multiplication of circuits. The current maintains the field. So the current or a portion if it relative to the field strength must still be there circulating to maintain the field.

so if the magnetic field can be maintained for a very long time, what makes the circuits so efficient? Some kind of induction chain reaction within the material?

[katesisco]

Walt Thornhill mentioned an experiment in Canada which should produce some definite results re electrical universe and is this it?
https://yubanet.com/scitech/ualberta-ph ... rn-lights/
Sorry if I posted in wrong forum.