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Many Internet forums have carried discussion of the Electric Universe hypothesis. Much of that discussion has added more confusion than clarity, due to common misunderstandings of the electrical principles. Here we invite participants to discuss their experiences and to summarize questions that have yet to be answered.

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Post by The Great Dog » Sun Apr 05, 2009 11:27 am

The Great Dog arrived here a few days ago because there are few forums available for scientific discussion. Most are seriously lacking in wisdom. There is an aspect to the level of discourse that creates hostility and opposition to new ideas. The Great Dog thinks that the rules of dialogue are largely ignored by sites such as Slash Dot, Bad Astronomy, Kurzweil, and James Randi. The Thunderbolts Forum, on the other hand, states that the ideas expressed here should be taken up by logical and reasonable approaches to the new science of plasma cosmology under the aegis of Electric Universe concepts.

The Great Dog realizes that this pack is new and that these pack members have ways of hunting the fields that are not the same as the marked trails of home. However, there are some things that have had an impact.

Communication resides with the listener and not the speaker. The Great Dog is striving to understand how the Electric Universe corresponds to the sights, sounds and smells that make up the world of experience. There appears to be a problem of communication -- the howling of this pack lacks unity.
Plasma and electricity in space. Failure of gravity-only cosmology. Exposing the myths of dark matter, dark energy, black holes, neutron stars, and other mathematical constructs. The electric model of stars. Predictions and confirmations of the electric comet.
Rather than adhering to pack leadership, the Great Dog finds many strays here. The pack rules are of little concern to the strays. Communication is not sought since many ideas are based in private interpretations that seem to have no regard for the Electric Universe. In fact, the Great Dog sees several arguments that make no sense -- that seem to be using terms that aren't capable of third party judgment, and that have metaphysical components.

The forums that the Great Dog participated in before deciding to sniff the trails marked by this pack are disappointing to say the least. They openly growl at members from other packs and seem to have no concern for the viewpoints that pack leaders from the Electric Universe have spent decades developing. Instead, they pee on those new ideas and then block them from view. The dominant attitude is arrogant presumption.

The Great Dog thinks that those excercises in futility are based in fear of new scents and a lack of logical comprehension, since logical fallacies dominate their responses. Appeal to authority, denying the antecedent, the bandwagon fallacy, equivocation, circular reasoning, arguing from ignorance and many other errors in commication are rampant in those other forums.

The Great Dog wishes nothing more than to acquire wisdom. The Great Dog cannot be provoked and will not use teeth against other packs. To achieve wisdom, there must be standards of discourse that anyone can use and anyone can follow, not private and inscrutable barks.

The pack leaders from the Electric Universe appear to have little interaction with this pack, which puzzles the Great Dog. Their presence would provide control over the strays and help to guide the pack toward the best fields with the fattest rabbits.

The Great Dog must return to his pack for a time, since they are howling at the yellow moon floating over the hills. They are calling to hunt rabbits in the home fields, so the Great Dog must run with them. There will always be the desire to visit other packs and the Great Dog will return after a season.
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Post by Solar » Sun Apr 05, 2009 11:46 am

There is no such thing as a flee-less thread no matter where one hunts oh great furry one. If it is that one is hunting; one simply hunts those foxes applicable - appropriately eschewing the rest.

The Great Pointer; 'points' on certainty. Until then; it may wander a bit. But it never relinquishes effort.

Could someone move this to an appropriate section of the forum?
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Post by Grey Cloud » Sun Apr 05, 2009 12:05 pm

Could someone move this to an appropriate section of the forum?
The pound? :D

Or more seriously, Net Talk?
G.D. did raise some good points, e.g.
The pack leaders from the Electric Universe appear to have little interaction with this pack, which puzzles the Great Dog.
Puzzles me too.
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Post by Osmosis » Sun Apr 05, 2009 1:45 pm

Oh, scratch his ears! :lol:

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Post by Brigit Bara » Thu Apr 09, 2009 12:11 pm

The Great Dog is correct about the thunderbolts forum. For someone new to Electric Universe theory, it is very difficult to detect where EU theory leaves off and personal predilections begin, in almost all of these threads.

I like to draw on the expertise of some of the posters, and the forum is blessed to have some of the leadership posting. However, unless someone quotes from the books The Electric Universe and The Electric Sky, or references T Picture of the Day, holoscience.com.au or Plasma science, then I try to ignore the information, until I can evaluate it based on what EU really says.

Perhaps some freewheeling conversation may bring some unique clicks to the website, but I do not know if that means a new visitor will find his or her way to a sensible explanation of plasma and electricity in space.
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Post by MGmirkin » Thu Apr 09, 2009 2:55 pm

Well, in the end, it is a discussion forum... And has been largely left to the "best judgment" of forum members on what to discuss, with as little oversight / "leading" as possible. On the one hand, this encourages creativity, and personal responsibility. On the other it leads to a certain level of lawlessness and over-speculation that appears to dilute the messages presented elsewhere. Especially when people "improvise" their own solutions that are not in line with what has come before from TPODs or the EU / ES / TotG books and various papers.

Unfortunately, the "pack leaders" do have other stresses on their time (publication deadlines, among other things) that prevent them from taking a more hands-on approach or acting as baby-sitters for the forum.

On the one hand, it's understandable. The forum is an open internet forum and not necessarily a focused research tool in and of itself. It's a place to come together, talk, share recent news or ideas and be sociable.

On the other hand, it would be nice if ye olde "leaders of the pack" would stop by on occasion to redirect conversation or correct some of the blatantly wrong stuff that occasionally gets dredged up... I do know that on at least a few occasions, some stuff brought up on the forums has made it back upstream to the ears of those in the know and led to some discussions or the occasional note back downstream.

I will say, it's hard trying to coordinate people online to work efficiently together, as everyone has their own schedule and pacing. So certain projects do seem to at times take a back seat or get waylaid as other time pressures are applied.

Which is all not intended to make excuses, per se. Simply to enlighten on what's up.

Just my 2c. Nothing official, I'm afraid.

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Post by BuckeyeKeel » Sat Apr 18, 2009 3:58 pm

quick note on the "Other Forums" note,

We (as in EU) are getting a lot of injust flack @ a site called UniverseToday.com due to a certain poster who has claimed himself a proponent of electromagnetism. His name on these comments is OilisMastery. I highly doubt he is a member of these forums, else he would be much more intelligent in his argument. I have seen solrey over there recently, defending the EU as any sane person would. However, the intensity with which we are villified by the Gravity-only folks is increasing by the day. I have tried my very best to tell them to ignore this fool, giving them links both to here and elsewhere, and informing them that we will never ever coexist if BOTH sides don't come to a reasonable agreement.

The way to win over another faction is NOT the holier-than-thou attitude. That, this kid has proven. We can't be so dismissive if we want to be taken seriously.

That is all, sorry to derail the topic at hand. :)

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Post by Grey Cloud » Sun Apr 19, 2009 4:18 am

Hi Folks,
BuckeyeKeel wrote:
His name on these comments is OilisMastery. I highly doubt he is a member of these forums, else he would be much more intelligent in his argument.
I'm pretty sure that one of the members here has oilismastery in his signature.
I did a site search for oilismastery but it only came up with 10 hits.
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Post by Solar » Sun Apr 19, 2009 4:45 pm

Yes. I seem to recall that someone had that in their signature as well. The only reference I see on the forum is a post by Total Science in the thread Breakthrough on How Continents Divided
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Post by Brigit Bara » Sun Apr 19, 2009 8:47 pm

http://oilismastery.blogspot.com/

I did not get a chance to see the posts on UniverseToday.com, but I must put in a good word for OIM. He has an excellent blog and is clearly able to defend EU articulately and intelligently. Perhaps his views on gravity may seem extreme--almost as if it doesn't exist. (That was my reading of it, for all it's worth. :) ) At any rate, see his blog for yourself and judge.

He certainly has a troll or two which haunt the comments section. Could someone have taken his handle? Is Buckeyekeel misunderstanding something?

OIM is a fun blog and has a lot of links I can't help but think many people here would enjoy. I like Louis Hissink's blog and YouStupidRelativist is kind of a riot. There are radio interviews with Halton Arp and the thunderbolts team to be found, but you have to scroll down.

That is my 2c.
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Post by Brigit Bara » Sun Apr 19, 2009 8:58 pm

But if you go over to the site, Grey Cloud, there are a lot of Velikovsky quotes, so you might want to avert thine eyes. :lol:
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Post by Grey Cloud » Mon Apr 20, 2009 3:17 am

Brigit Bara wrote:But if you go over to the site, Grey Cloud, there are a lot of Velikovsky quotes, so you might want to avert thine eyes. :lol:
Thanks for the warning BB, unfortunately it is too late. I had a look at the blog a few months ago when it first popped up on this forum but I wasn't overly impressed.
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Post by BuckeyeKeel » Wed Apr 22, 2009 7:47 am

Brigit Bara wrote:http://oilismastery.blogspot.com/

I did not get a chance to see the posts on UniverseToday.com, but I must put in a good word for OIM. He has an excellent blog and is clearly able to defend EU articulately and intelligently. Perhaps his views on gravity may seem extreme--almost as if it doesn't exist. (That was my reading of it, for all it's worth. :) ) At any rate, see his blog for yourself and judge.

He certainly has a troll or two which haunt the comments section. Could someone have taken his handle? Is Buckeyekeel misunderstanding something?

OIM is a fun blog and has a lot of links I can't help but think many people here would enjoy. I like Louis Hissink's blog and YouStupidRelativist is kind of a riot. There are radio interviews with Halton Arp and the thunderbolts team to be found, but you have to scroll down.

That is my 2c.
Hey, just wanted to thank you for enlightening me as to who that is. I have tried to stomach him because he is one of the few dissenting voices over there (at UT), but his method of approach tends to get to me. I have checked out his blog, and was refreshed to see that he's able to clearly get his point across here, and also think you could be on to something with the "taken his handle" comment. It's almost as if someone may ghost his name and post some asinine garbage, just to antagonize the bunch! I am glad you showed me this, my opinion of whoever is behind the handle OIM has been absolved of all its negativity.

Thanks for the heads up!

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Post by Brigit Bara » Sat Apr 25, 2009 2:20 pm

Buckeyekeel,

I am glad you liked the site. But you were not the only person who had problem's with the tone of the posts on UniverseToday.com. Did you see this?

https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogI ... 7950697573

Well, hopefully we all have good friends that will tell us when we are getting a little whacky. I call in suffering from "post haste" on the internet. Good thing that never happens to any of us. :)

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Post by Anaconda » Sat May 02, 2009 5:11 pm

Brigit Bara wrote:Buckeyekeel,

I am glad you liked the site. But you were not the only person who had problem's with the tone of the posts on UniverseToday.com. Did you see this?

https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogI ... 7950697573

Well, hopefully we all have good friends that will tell us when we are getting a little whacky. I call in suffering from "post haste" on the internet. Good thing that never happens to any of us. :)

~BB
Thank you for pointing my comment out.

I also have been commenting at UniverseToday, with the hope that casual readers, not committed to "modern" astronomy will have an open-mind and consider the evidence.

The evidence for electromagnetism keeps building, NASA continues to report the observation & measurement of electromagnetic processes in the solar system.

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