A New Look at Near Neighbors Part One

[bdw000]

Current continues to run through the galaxy along the equatorial plane as part of a larger intergalactic circuit.

I have a question about the above quote. Something about the galactic EU model does not seem quite right to me.

Anyone please correct any misunderstandings I have here.

I thought the birkeland currents that formed galaxies flowed along the galactic axis. The famous Peratt simulations showed, I thought, cross-sectional views of the birkeland currents intertwining.

The above quote, however, talks about current from the "intergalactic circuit" flowing through the galaxy's equatorial plane. I am familiar with the EU galactic model that has axial current flowing back into the galactic plane, but I would call that "galactic," not "INTERgalactic" current, that is flowing in the galactic equatorial plane. Is my preference for certain words just different?

Am I reading incorrectly? Why would there be "intergalactic current" through a galaxy, flowing both along the galactic axis, and through the equatorial plane? The description seems to be saying that there is a sheet of "intergalactic current" flowing into (and out of ? ) the galactic plane, which would be flowing perpendicular to the birkeland currents that flow along the galactic axis.

It is certainly possible that I am misreading something here. And I also understand that trying to write up descriptions of complex physical theories can get tedious (how much detail to include).

I am not even claiming that one or another view is incorrect (I am no astronomer or physicist). I just feel like I am missing something.

Any clarification (or confirmation) of the above would be appreciated.

[tpwilson]

Hi bdw000

One key area of clarification with the EU model is probably in explaining how higher level circuits connect to lower level circuits. For example, how does the internal galactic circuit (on which our Sun resides) enter our local solar circuit? Like you, I've always imaginged that the electrical energy is axial. But when I read Peratt's 1986 paper closely and thought about Don Scott's discussion of homopolar motors then the equatorial plane seemed to be important. Bear in mind that this TPOD is speculative and does not necessarily part of the EU canon. But here's what I read in the Peratt paper that suggests an equatorial component to the influx of energy from the external circuit:

"Concomitant with the attraction, repulsion, and rotation, is a reconfiguration of the current/plasma cross sections are deformed tinot oval shapes thath then take on"jelly-bean-like" profile prior to forming embyonic spiral arms. During this process, the elliptically shaped quasar formed between the two synchrotron radiating plasmas is enclosed by the themselves, as they spiral inwards"

So you see that Peratt saw in his simulations that the two twisting Birkeland filaments were twisting their geometry into the spiral arms and the galactic disk as a whole. The final geometry with respect to the two larger Birkeland filaments as a whole is not clear to me. But the fact that the galactic disk has a flat rotational curve suggests to me that the galactic disk is being driven like a homopolar motor along the equatorial plane. The homopolar generator action drives axial currents, I think.

This is just me talking, but I did get some input fro Don Scott to help clarifying my thought process. I wanted to put out a straw-man to get folks talking about it.

Tom

[nick c]

hi bdw000,

My understanding is that intergalactic currents flow into the spiral arms along the equatorial plane of the galaxy, and out along the axes. EM energy can be stored in the central plasmoid and released in axial jets.

...In May last year I described the plasma focus phenomenon generated at the Galactic Center by filamentary helical “Birkeland” currents flowing in along the spiral arms and out along the galactic spin axis...

... Meanwhile, the plasmoid is well known in the plasma laboratory as a high-density energy storage phenomenon that produces well-collimated jets after a time that depends upon particle collisions within the plasmoid...

...The plasmoid is “quiet” while storing electromagnetic energy...

...In the process the axial current is “pinched off,” which could focus upon the plasmoid some of the prodigious electromagnetic energy stored in the intergalactic circuit. The plasmoid becomes an Active Galactic Nucleus....

http://www.holoscience.com/news.php?article=7qqsr17q

Intergalactic current filaments are long range attracted to each other, then in the shortrange repel, as they intertwine and "pinch" matter together to form a rotating spiral galaxy. Peratt's computer simulation seems to me to indicate the current flows along the spiral arms.
See the photos of the simulation in the TPOD [url2=http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2006/ ... galaxy.htm]Plasma Galaxies[/url2].

Also:
http://plasmascience.net/tpu/downloads/ ... ts1990.pdf

nick c

[tpwilson]

Thanks Nick

Guys sorry for the typing in my last post. I was trying to multiplex here at work and that's never a good idea as it creates a higher than ideal typo frequency.

I think it would be good to generate some new figures capturing our collective thoughts about the flow of electrical energy from the external galactic circuit into a galaxy (e.g. high-lighting the energy flow in through the spiral arms). Like bdw000 I had actually got it into my head that the flow was axial, not really through the equatorial plane and kind of had to get there on my own through Peratt's paper and reading Don Scott's work closely on homopolar motors. I completely missed Wal's quote below which is quite good.

Something I'd like to do is generate some new diagrams and bounce it amongst a few people to get some feedback.

bdw000, thanks for reading and thanks for the input.

Tom

[mharratsc]

I think an oversimplification, but one that would not be erroneous, would be to imagine a lightning bolt. It has a main trunk from which many branches will radiate (Lichtenburg figurine). That galactic Birkland current has many little branches that connect stars in the galaxy, and the stars themselves have branches that connect to companions (binaries/planets).

Again, oversimplified. I *believe* that I also understand that this is not a simple case of 'Birkland current positive/spiral arm current negative.' This is a case of 'charge equalization'. The current is what it says- a current with bi-directional flow, Equalizations occur across the plasma sheaths that separate the ambient cosmic plasma, and the plasma within the double-layer inside the Birkland current. However, equalizations occur across this boundary resulting in secondary currents that also form Birkland currents, and so on.

I would appreciate clarification by someone in the know if I'm right on this or not... I'm no engineer but I'm trying!

[The Great Dog]

The Great Dog is very interested in galaxy formation and how they connect to the extra-galactic circuit. Depending on whether a galaxy is thought of as a homopolar generator or a homopolar motor, it seems that the current flow would be reversed.

Birkeland current filaments are comprised of smaller filaments, each in their own protective sheaths. The filaments are isolated from one another but tend to follow the same path because of enviromental conditions and the linear attractive force between them.

A POD written by Mel Acheson in 2005 describes the galactic circuit in this way:

"Similarly, the galactic disk is the disk of a Faraday motor, caused to rotate by Birkeland currents flowing along the axis and out along the spiral arms. Stars in the spiral arms receive their power from those galactic currents. Galaxies, in turn, are threaded like 'Catherine wheels' on intergalactic Birkeland currents. The cosmic circuitry of Birkeland currents can be traced by their magnetic fields."

The Great Dog thinks that there could be polarity issues in this question. Since the cosmic circuit flows in both directions, positive and negative, galaxies might correspond to that polarity. Should the galaxy live within one polarized filament, the current flow would be in through the axial terminal and out through the disc. If the polarity were reversed, the current flow would be in through the disc and out through the axis.

Because the cosmic circuit is balanced (the Great Dog does not know if that is correct), then galaxies might be aligned with currents that are billions of light-years long and hundreds of millions of light-years wide that are of opposite polarity.

Mel Acheson recently wrote another POD called "War of the Worldviews" in which he depicts a schematic of the Birkeland filaments that comprise the supercluster pinch zones. Presumably, the two cosmic current are of opposite charge as they twist around one another over gigaparsec distances. Electric circuits involve oppositely charged electrodes.

The Great Dog wonders if the Virgo supercluster and the Fornax supercluster are oppositely charged? As more information is sniffed-out from the PODs on this site, The Great Dog might begin to understand what causes this pack to howl. Tom Wilson appears to be a new pack member and he has learned their hunting ways.

[hyper.real]

The problem here is identifying what is being described.

Basically, Peratt's simulations describe the formation of a spiral galaxy from interation of a Birkeland current pair -- and that is as far as they go. The homopolar motor analogy, with currents flowing axially and then through the arms, describes the (i.e., one) formed spiral galaxy. The difference is not merely chronological and genetic, since the process of formation causes a physical conductor to come into existence that has its own distinctive structure that rotates, and so imposes another set of forces (back emfs) onto the original system. I see no incompatibility here - the electrodynamics of the galaxy coexists with larger-scale Birkeland currents, in the same way that a bird can alight on a high tension electricity line without anything much happening to it.

It's the next level of detail that is challenging. Namely the point where the electromagnetics meet the gravitations. That could give us an explanatory bridge between the two models. There is some maths to suggest the situation might be handled as an electrogravitational matrix. That sort of thing is essentially entailed by Arp's categorization of cosmic objects, following on from considerations of red-shift quantization, which is apart from the general evolutionary use he makes of his categorization. I think that this general issue is what Thornhill is attempting to address with his eMOND idea.