No Sun disk visible in these Sydney sunrises

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Re: No Sun disk visible in these Sydney sunrises

Post by john666 » Sat May 21, 2016 10:45 pm

If the rotation of the sphere is west-east, then the sun disk should rise at due east and set at due west.
It should do this every single day of the year.

That is basic geometry.
If you don't believe me, take a globe and a flashlight.

That is that.

Also, as far as seasons are concerned, the conventional explanation is so stupid, that I wonder how is it possible that the many intelligent people here, haven't as of yet, ripped this "explanation" open.

The distance between between Earth and the Sun is allegedly 149.6 million km :o
and yet, we are being told that a seasonal oscillation of few thousand km, is going to cause someone in Ukraine to go from freezing in the winter, to feeling heat in the summer.

Cold is the state of CONTRACTION.

Heat is the state of EXPANSION.

And yet we are being told, that a change of less then 0.01% is going to cause such radical changes in the weather(from CONTRACTION to EXPANSION).

The idea is idiotic.

Now, can somebody explain to me how I - living at the 45th parallel north - can see during the summer solstice the sun disk directly(90 degrees) above me, and how I can also see the Moon directly above me, during the winter solstice?

According to the conventional astronomy, that is impossible.

Of course, when I am asking for an explanation, I am asking for something more substantial then Oh no you do not actually see that :roll:

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Re: No Sun disk visible in these Sydney sunrises

Post by Aardwolf » Wed May 25, 2016 7:58 am

john666 wrote:The distance between between Earth and the Sun is allegedly 149.6 million km :o
and yet, we are being told that a seasonal oscillation of few thousand km, is going to cause someone in Ukraine to go from freezing in the winter, to feeling heat in the summer.
The difference between Earth's aphelion and periheliion is around 5,000,000 km which equates to about a 3% swiing.

The difference between respective average hemisperic temperatures from winter to summer is 8 & 13 Kelvin which equates to about a 3% & 4% swing.

Therefore the distance & temps are just about in agreement but I guess that isn't going to stop this nonsense as it isn't about facts or science is it.

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Re: No Sun disk visible in these Sydney sunrises

Post by john666 » Wed May 25, 2016 11:27 pm

Aardwolf wrote:The difference between respective average hemisperic temperatures from winter to summer is 8 & 13 Kelvin which equates to about a 3% & 4% swing.
Percent of what?
What value is 100%?

Tell me Aardwolf WHAT VALUE IS 100% :?:
Aardwolf wrote:The difference between Earth's aphelion and periheliion is around 5,000,000 km which equates to about a 3% swiing.

The difference between respective average hemisperic temperatures from winter to summer is 8 & 13 Kelvin which equates to about a 3% & 4% swing.

Therefore the distance & temps are just about in agreement but I guess that isn't going to stop this nonsense as it isn't about facts or science is it.
You are the one who is talking nonsense.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perihelion_and_aphelion
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Season

According to conventional astronomy, the difference between Earth's aphelion and perihelion has nothing whatsoever to do with seasons.

When I was talking about thousands of km, I was talking about the change that allegedly happens during the year, because of the alleged axial tilt.

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Re: No Sun disk visible in these Sydney sunrises

Post by john666 » Wed May 25, 2016 11:49 pm

To the forum members;

Heliocentric doctrine is pseudoscience of the worst kind.
There is no proof whatsoever backing it.

Year after year we see that the stars revolve around the Earth, and yet we are constantly making pseudo scientific excuses to negate that which is obvious.

If after years of existence, this forum can not accept the obvious truth of geocentricity, we can as well start discussing black holes, dark matter, string theory, and other contemporary nonsense, because these theories are as stupid, as the heliocentric doctrine.

As I said before, if the Earth was rotating west east, the sun disk should every day rise at due east, and set at due west.

That is the most basic geometry, that even schoolchildren can understand.
And yet adults, because of BRAINWASHING, can apparently not understand it.

Science, just like History, just like Politics, is for the most part, a Big Lie.

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Re: No Sun disk visible in these Sydney sunrises

Post by D_Archer » Thu May 26, 2016 2:52 am

To john,

Maybe you should remove that 666 from your handle, it is really strange to use such a number.

In reality nothing is in the center and everything is in the center.

You are right that a lot is a lie but this is the thunderbolts forum and members are urged to come up with valid arguments not rhetoric as you displayed.

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Re: No Sun disk visible in these Sydney sunrises

Post by john666 » Thu May 26, 2016 12:09 pm

If one negates the existence of a center, one negates one of the most basic postulate of geometry.

Stars revolve around the Earth in a yearly cycle.
Meaning Earth is at the center.

Also, the movement of starlight directed at the Earth, is instantaneous.
Meaning, the speed of light is a hoax as well.

How do we know, that it is instantaneous?
Because if it wasn't, the apparent movement of stars(including the Milky Way), would not be cyclical, like it is.

Heliocentric doctrine, just like evolution, just like old Earth, is pseudoscience.

And every single time, when anybody on this forum, in one way or the other, invokes the heliocentric doctrine
he is is dabbling in pseudoscience.

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Re: No Sun disk visible in these Sydney sunrises

Post by JHL » Thu May 26, 2016 2:32 pm

Masterful trolling, just amazing.

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Re: No Sun disk visible in these Sydney sunrises

Post by john666 » Thu May 26, 2016 3:27 pm

JHL, considering that you are not a troll, maybe you can explain, why Sirius who allegedly has a distance of 8.6ly
and Rigel who allegedly has a distance of 860ly, move across the celestial sphere in a yearly cycle.

Considering that Rigel is allegedly 100 TIMES MORE DISTANT THEN SIRIUS and considering that starlight allegedly has a speed(is not instantaneous), how is it possible that their appearance on the celestial sphere, obeys the same yearly cycle?

I already know the answer, its not possible.

The fact that this self evident fact is being denied by conventional astronomy, is a sign of just how corrupt astronomy is.

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Re: No Sun disk visible in these Sydney sunrises

Post by JHL » Thu May 26, 2016 4:06 pm

I can't see China from my house. Conspiracy. It must be a conspiracy. CHINA IS 100 TIMES MORE DISTANT THEN <sic> OKLAHOMA!

It's all because those corrupt b*stards in map-making and geography.

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Re: No Sun disk visible in these Sydney sunrises

Post by john666 » Fri May 27, 2016 3:45 am

According to pseudo scientists and their believers - and there are plenty of their believers on this forum - the fact that all stars move according to a yearly cycle on the celestial sphere, does not mean anything, because I guess Everything is relative Truth doesn't exist(except the official truth) There is no center The Universe came from Nothing The Earth is billions of years old and of course Muslims hiding in caves planned the September 11 attacks :lol:

Reason tells us that the Earth is at the center of the known Universe BUT MYSTICISM disguised as ASTRONOMY tells us we should ignore Reason, and instead believe in neurolinguistics that pretends to be logical.

Neurolinguistics that pretends to be Physics.

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Re: No Sun disk visible in these Sydney sunrises

Post by JHL » Fri May 27, 2016 6:36 am

I give john666 props for creativity and interesting prose. You don't see that often from the garden-variety troll. Well done, sir, well done.

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Re: No Sun disk visible in these Sydney sunrises

Post by kevin » Fri May 27, 2016 10:40 am

john666,
The centre of every atom is the centre of universe relative to each atom.
Therefore the earth is at the centre of it's universe, but so is the sun.
All fields are within all other fields, and it is the symbiotic interactions between fields that creates the illusions presently presented as facts.

The answer will be obvious when this universal field structure is better understood and incorporated, then it will be realised that the sun is downstream of the planets in the galaxies field, and it is a plasma pinch point relative to the planets that form it.

The moon is created in the pinch point between earth and the sun, with opposite spin flows creating it in the geometries between.
kevin

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Re: No Sun disk visible in these Sydney sunrises

Post by john666 » Fri May 27, 2016 7:24 pm

There is a theory on the internet the the Moon is actually a hologram.
When I stumbled across this theory, I thought it was interesting how none of the proponents of Moon hologram theory didn't even consider the possibility that the Sun is a hologram.
If the Moon would be a hologram, it would be even more logical for the Sun to be a hologram, considering that the Moon appears much more solid then the Sun, any yet, none of these theoreticians mentioned this possibility.

Don't get me wrong, I don't believe that the Moon is a hologram, but the Sun, or more precisely the Sun disk could be something similar to that.

I think that these guys who are promulgating the Moon hologram theory, are Intelligence agents, who spread disinformation so as to shift our attention from the possibility of the Sun being a hologram(or something like it)
to the completely false idea of the Moon being a hologram.

Here are the facts:

1.When high up in the sky, the sun disk and the Moon are of the same size
2.They both get bigger as they approach the horizon
3.They both get redder as they approach the horizon
4.At the 45th parallel north, the sun disk movement across the sky during summer, is exactly the same as the Moon's movement across the sky during winter, and the other way around.

When I mentioned the fourth point before, some forum members tried to convince me that this is not so
but I know that's a lie because I live at the 45th parallel north.
It is so, and the corrupt astronomy has no way explaining that, so they lie about it.

So the logical conclusion is that either the Moon and the Sun were created at the same time by the same Intelligence so as to orbit the Earth, or that some Intelligence created the Moon in such a way that the Moon in turn creates the sun disk.

Meaning the sun disk is a creation of the Moon, in a similar way as the shadow is the creation of the object that throws the shadow.
That is only a rough analogy of course.

Another analogy would be that of a lens;
The Moon as a lens, starlight as light, and the sun disk as a light image.
The light of the sun disk could actually be a composite light of the various stars.

You might say that cannot be, the stars are to faint too produce such a glowing light.

But maybe the stars that we see during the night are actually behind a celestial screen of sorts, that reduces their light by a substantial amount.
The sky during the night is actually not black, but dark blue, meaning the sky is blue even during the night.
Maybe the celestial screen that protects the Earth from being burned by starlight, increases its density during the night, so that we see stars, that may actually be very close and very big, as nothing more but little points of light.

Outrageous ideas, I know, but keep in mind that if the Earth was orbiting the Sun, and at the same time rotating west east around its own axis, the sun disk would rise at due east and set at due west, and it would do that every single day of the year.

Anyone, any child could test this assertion of mine, with nothing more but a globe and a flashlight.
Whether you are in the more northern regions, or in the more southern regions wouldn't matter.
If you take a flashlight and direct it at lets say 60 degrees north, and then rotate the globe, you would see that if you were at 60 degrees north the sun disk would move from due east to due west, and move in such way as to be directly above you during noon.
In this same scenario, the more north the observer is, the more would the sun disk movement tilt towards the southern sky, and the reverse is true for the more southern observer.
BUT NO MATTER OF THAT THE SUN DISK WOULD ALWAYS RISE AT DUE EAST AND SET AT DUE WEST.

If one can not understand a geometry as simple as that one, one cannot even begin to understand the more complicated issues of TRUE ASTRONOMY.

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Re: No Sun disk visible in these Sydney sunrises

Post by JHL » Sat May 28, 2016 4:41 am

john666 wrote:Don't get me wrong, I don't believe that the Moon is a hologram, but the Sun, or more precisely the Sun disk could be something similar to that.

I think that these guys who are promulgating the Moon hologram theory, are Intelligence agents, who spread disinformation so as to shift our attention from the possibility of the Sun being a hologram(or something like it)
to the completely false idea of the Moon being a hologram.

[...]

So the logical conclusion is that either the Moon and the Sun were created at the same time by the same Intelligence so as to orbit the Earth, or that some Intelligence created the Moon in such a way that the Moon in turn creates the sun disk.

[...]

Outrageous ideas, I know, but keep in mind that if the Earth was orbiting the Sun, and at the same time rotating west east around its own axis, the sun disk would rise at due east and set at due west, and it would do that every single day of the year.

[...]

If one can not understand a geometry as simple as that one, one cannot even begin to understand the more complicated issues of TRUE ASTRONOMY.
Not outrageous at all. If you play Pink Floyd backwards Mick Jagger proves all this. The Moon's always had a gigantic invisible projector running from underground dynamos. It is indeed TRUE ASTRONOMY promulgated by intelligence agents.

(Play along, people. john666 is having you on.)

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Re: No Sun disk visible in these Sydney sunrises

Post by john666 » Sun Jun 05, 2016 5:30 am

The Amateur Astronomer's Introduction to the Celestial Sphere
By William Millar
https://books.google.hr/books?id=VaOPsC ... re&f=false

Stargazing For Dummies
By Steve Owens
https://books.google.hr/books?id=6tlK7X ... re&f=false

Both of these authors, say that during the time of the northern hemisphere summer, the sun in the southern hemisphere rises in the southeast, and sets in the southwest.

Are they right or are they wrong?

EDIT
Actually, on the second look, the formulation that they use is confusing, but still I ask the question, where does the sun rise during northern hemisphere summer in the southern hemisphere?

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