No Sun disk visible in these Sydney sunrises

[john666]

Coloration in the sky is probably from reflection of the rising Sun off of particles and clouds in the sky. Any area of coloration is not necessarily an indication that the disk of the Sun is directly below.
It is obvious from the lighting of the buildings that the Sun is rising to the right and out of the field of view of the camera.

If the Sun was rising from the right, the area to the right would have the orange coloration, not the area in the middle like we see in the videos.

I have never in my life seen that the area to the left, or the area to the right, of the rising Sun, has a more orange coloration then the area from where the Sun is rising.

What you are saying when you say "Coloration in the sky is probably from reflection of the rising Sun off of particles and clouds in the sky", is complete and utter nonsense.

Even if you disregard that in the videos that I have linked there are almost no clouds, you explanation would still be stupid.

Of course that the area from which the Sun is rising is going to have orange coloration
When you deny something as simple as that, it is as if you have never in your life seen a sunrise .

Why would the photographer not point the camera directly at the rising Sun?
Because, the subject of the video was the changing play of light on the city of Sydney as it transitioned from night time to daylight. That is why the name "Sydney" is in the title of the video.

The videos(plural) are not called "changing play of light on the city of Sydney as it transitioned from night time to daylight", but are all called SYDNEY SUNRISE.

The larger question is why is this innocuous video an issue? Do you think that the people who made the video would not have noticed that there was daylight but no Sun? Might that not have been a good story for the evening news?



So John, please give us a precise assessment of exactly what you think is going on here.

Simple curiosity.
When I was searching for the sunrises and sunsets of Australia I was all the time seeing only fake footage like the following "Sunset" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49FykppaLhs

[john666]

The UNSW is due south of Sydney which means the camera is pointing North.

john666, does the sun rise in the north on your planet?

As I said before on other thread I live at the 45 parallel north.

And actually I have seen the light coming out from the straight north.
Apparently looking like sunlight, but not being from the Sun disk.

I have seen this light coming out even up to an hour before sunrise.

How do I know that this light was not from the Sun disk?

Because if I would designate the distance from the rising Sun disk to the farthest lighted horizon point to my right(east to south-east) with 1k the distance from the rising Sun disk to the farthest lighted horizon point to my left would be 2k

That is twice the distance.

[willendure]

Sun is behind the camera, you can easily tell by the shadows.

Maybe you have problem with your eyesight, but the Sun is definitely NOT behind the camera.
If it were, then you would see the areas of Sydney which are the closest to the camera lighting up first, but instead we see the exact opposite.

As I say, look at the shadows on the ground. The first vid, I think there is a stadium or a park with trees this side of it and you can clearly see the shadows are pointing away from the camera.

What are you trying to suggest anyhow, that the sun is invisible?

[nick c]

So John, please give us a precise assessment of exactly what you think is going on here.

Simple curiosity.
When I was searching for the sunrises and sunsets of Australia I was all the time seeing only fake footage like the following "Sunset" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49FykppaLhs

Why does it look fake? It looks like a time lapse. Nothing unusual about it!

But you did not answer my question: What do you think is actually happening on all the videos linked on this thread?

Why would they have to fake a sunset video when the easier thing to do would be to simply record the real thing? Since the subject (the rising or setting Sun) is readily available to anyone?

[Aardwolf]

The UNSW is due south of Sydney which means the camera is pointing North.

john666, does the sun rise in the north on your planet?

As I said before on other thread I live at the 45 parallel north.

And actually I have seen the light coming out from the straight north.
Apparently looking like sunlight, but not being from the Sun disk.

I have seen this light coming out even up to an hour before sunrise.

How do I know that this light was not from the Sun disk?

Because if I would designate the distance from the rising Sun disk to the farthest lighted horizon point to my right(east to south-east) with 1k the distance from the rising Sun disk to the farthest lighted horizon point to my left would be 2k

That is twice the distance.

On our planet, Earth, the sun rises in the east therefore the reason "No Sun disk visible in these Sydney sunrises" is because the camera is pointing North and the sun is rising in the east. Things don't appear from directions they're not supposed to appear from.

[john666]

So John, please give us a precise assessment of exactly what you think is going on here.

Simple curiosity.
When I was searching for the sunrises and sunsets of Australia I was all the time seeing only fake footage like the following "Sunset" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49FykppaLhs

Why does it look fake? It looks like a time lapse. Nothing unusual about it!

What is unusual about it is that the sun disk, when it is touching the horizon is of WHITE color, and not of RED color like it should be.

That is clear fakery, which makes me wonder why do they feel the need to fake something as basic as that.

[john666]

http://grapevine.is/mag/column-opinion/ ... ter-right/

"Just because the sun is below the horizon doesn’t mean that it’s suddenly pitch black. Now, if you live in a place like Miami, sure, there©s not even half an hour between “it’s bright enough to see what I’m doing” and “the sun is blazing in my eyes.” But up here near the Arctic Circle the sun doesn©t go as much overhead as take a low broad arc. In the summer, it arcs all the way around you, rising in the north and setting in the north. In the winter, it barely pops up in the south and sets again just a bit further west in the south. That “in-between time” gets really stretched out."

That is the testimony of a women that lives in Reykjavik.

She says:

1. But up here near the Arctic Circle the sun doesn©t go as much overhead as take a low broad arc.

2.In the summer, it arcs all the way around you, rising in the north and setting in the north.

Reykjavik has a latitude of 64°08' N.

When she says "rising in the north and setting in the north", she of course is not talking about straight north, but she is obviously talking about the fact that the sun rises and sets closer to the north than to any other direction.

Accordingly, from her two statements, we can deduce that as you move more towards the north, the sun disk is getting closer and closer to the horizon, and to the straight north, until at the North pole it completely disappears below the horizon.

But if that is the case, then how do we explain the six months of daylight, that allegedly happens at North pole?

Obviously the daylight is NOT coming from the sun disk, but from something else.

[jacmac]

I suggest a long trip to the north. Preferably in the summer.
The Alaska Marine Highway is a nice boat ride.
I know it is a stretch to take a BOAT ride on a HIGHWAY, but trust me, it is a very scenic trip.

[john666]

I suggest a long trip to the north. Preferably in the summer.
The Alaska Marine Highway is a nice boat ride.
I know it is a stretch to take a BOAT ride on a HIGHWAY, but trust me, it is a very scenic trip.

Are you saying that as you travel towards the north, the sun disk does not get closer and closer towards the horizon?

[jacmac]

Your question is too vague. The solar system is complicated. The tilt of the earth axis gives us our seasons and changes the APPARENT motion of the sun in the sky. At the summer Solstice the view of the noon sun is lower on the horizon to the south as the viewing place is farther north, but the length of the daylight hours is longer, thus a viewer has more daylight hours. In the far north, the suns APPARENT motion in the sky becomes very low to the horizon, and continues for almost 360 degrees, and there is constant daylight. I have been to the Yukon River, north of Fairbanks.
You should go.


You say:

until at the North pole it completely disappears below the horizon.

That is not true. At the north pole the sun stays above the horizon for 24 hours.
Watch this video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndlQNicOeso

Do you have a point to make, or is this all for a lark Mr. John the devil.

[john666]

At the summer Solstice the view of the noon sun is lower on the horizon to the south as the viewing place is farther north, but the length of the daylight hours is longer, thus a viewer has more daylight hours.

Two questions for you:

1. During the summer Solstice at the 45th parallel north, is the sun at noon directly overhead, or not?

2. During the summer Solstice at the equator, is the sun at noon directly overhead, or not?

You say:

until at the North pole it completely disappears below the horizon.

That is not true. At the north pole the sun stays above the horizon for 24 hours.
Watch this video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndlQNicOeso

Do you have a point to make, or is this all for a lark Mr. John the devil.

This video is fake.

If the testimony of women from Reykjavik is true, then the sun should be either very close to the horizon, or even beneath it when you get to the North pole.

We do not see this in the video.
In this video the sun changes from very low to very high.

If this video were real, the sun should have never been very high in the sky, here near the North pole.

The light at the North pole cannot be from the sun disk, but has to be from something else.

[jacmac]

# 1. No
# 2. No

The sun is directly overhead at noon on the summer solstice at the Tropic of Cancer. About 23+ degrees north of the equator.

[Michal Z]

So John, please give us a precise assessment of exactly what you think is going on here.

Simple curiosity.
When I was searching for the sunrises and sunsets of Australia I was all the time seeing only fake footage like the following "Sunset" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49FykppaLhs

Why does it look fake? It looks like a time lapse. Nothing unusual about it!

What is unusual about it is that the sun disk, when it is touching the horizon is of WHITE color, and not of RED color like it should be.

That is clear fakery, which makes me wonder why do they feel the need to fake something as basic as that.

Cameras have very limited dynamic range compared to the human eye. A sun which appears yellow/red to the eye can look white to the camera because the brightness levels are clipping. If the scene were exposed to capture the changing colour of the solar disc, all the other scenery would be black/silhouette only. Also, (at least in my neck of the woods) most days there is not enough atmospheric haze/dust to make the sun appear red at sunset.

[scowie]

1. During the summer Solstice at the 45th parallel north, is the sun at noon directly overhead, or not?

2. During the summer Solstice at the equator, is the sun at noon directly overhead, or not?

1. That would be at the 23rd parallel (the tropic of cancer) or 23.43716° to be exact, i.e. the earth's angle of tilt.

2. No. At the equator the sun is directly overhead during the equinoxes, i.e. twice a year.

This video is fake.

If the testimony of women from Reykjavik is true, then the sun should be either very close to the horizon, or even beneath it when you get to the North pole.

We do not see this in the video.
In this video the sun changes from very low to very high.

If this video were real, the sun should have never been very high in the sky, here near the North pole.

The light at the North pole cannot be from the sun disk, but has to be from something else.

Reykjavik is outside the arctic circle so the sun is always below the horizon at midnight. In summer the sun does a big arc around the sky, almost a full circle around you, like the girl said, starting and ending in a roughly northerly direction. Within the arctic circle during the summer solstice the sun gets to do a complete circuit around you without ever dipping below the horizon. If you are not at the north pole it will dip low and high, but directly at the north pole it will stay at pretty much the same height over the 24 hours. The video and the girl's description are in full agreement.

[john666]

The sun is directly overhead at noon on the summer solstice at the Tropic of Cancer. About 23+ degrees north of the equator.

1. That would be at the 23rd parallel (the tropic of cancer) or 23.43716° to be exact, i.e. the earth's angle of tilt.

2. No. At the equator the sun is directly overhead during the equinoxes, i.e. twice a year.

That cannot be true, because I know for a fact that at the 45th parallel north the sun is directly overhead around the time of the summer solstice.

I know that because I live at the 45th parallel north.

It is absolutely not true what the two of you are saying.
I know that you have behind you the conventional astronomy, but it is still a lie.

I know from personal experience that it's a lie.

Also as far as the "sun" at the equator is concerned, here the conventional astronomy is illogical to such degree that it is barely standing

At the equator the daylight is 12 hours a day all year round.
And yet the movement of the sun disk allegedly changes throughout the year.
The daylight amount stays the same, but the movement of the sun disk changes

That is so obviously false, that I wonder how nobody else on the forum realized the falseness of this statement before.