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Re: Visualizing matter

Post by Siggy_G » Sun Apr 05, 2009 2:43 pm

junglelord wrote: I know for a fact that David Thomson does not support black holes.
"The Aether Physics Model predicts black holes are implosion events, which release the encapsulated dark matter back into the sea of dark matter. A black hole has a short life span and then it evaporates." (http://www.16pi2.com/dark_matter.htm) To me, that's similar to Stephen Hawking's brain farts.
junglelord wrote: The revelation of a "conscious field" is not a big deal, get over it. ;)
Well, I find it a little on the missionary side of science, but if it's not a central part of their theory, then fine, I guess.

As for the rest, this is a whole new field that I need to look further into. Maybe it's yet an alternative theoretical way of viewing the Universe, that doesn't necessarily prove anything observational, or maybe it's a revolutionary model for how everything ties together... :)

I'm still searching for how inertia is explained - the spiraling, gradual tendency that's always needed for any velocity increase - and why the inertia is the same, independent of direction of the attack force (gyroscopic systems tend to settle along one axis, but resist redirections). Mass as a dimension... hm, need to digest that one.

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Re: Visualizing matter

Post by StevenO » Sun Apr 05, 2009 3:46 pm

Solar wrote:
junglelord wrote: Photons appear massless due to the oscillating dynamics between a electron and a positron charge. Since Mass is the linear or 1 dimensional view of EM Charge, a definition that needs to be realized, then we have successfully defined Mass.

A Photon is a unit that is expanding at the speeding of light which has the potential of both left and right hand spin parity. This causes a rotation between both charge parities. This results in a Null Mass result. Simple, elegant, profound.
Nice. I like that.
Like that too, since positrons, electrons and photons are very closely related, but mass is not one dimensional: it is three dimensional (the 3D form of energy).

Momentum is two dimensional (a 2D form of energy), that is why the photon(a 1D vibration) imparts momentum.

Electric charge is dimensionally equivalent to 1D space.
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Re: Visualizing matter

Post by junglelord » Mon Apr 06, 2009 8:43 am

Steven, Mass is 2d....Charge has to be 3d, it is distributed.
The older thought process on the APM webpage on black holes is not the current view of APM.
They agree the black hole does not exist. I have talked to Steven, I know that for a fact.
So we all learn and grow.
:D

However the neutrino angular momentum, not being encapsulated by aether, is a sea of dark matter.
Technically that is not incorrect. That is not to say that it is an equavilant for the NASA crap on dark matter.
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Re: Visualizing matter

Post by junglelord » Mon Apr 06, 2009 9:49 am

Force = MxLXF (thats 3d)
Energy = MXL^2XF^2 (thats 5d)

Mass is a 2d string. It never changes.
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Re: Visualizing matter

Post by StevenO » Mon Apr 06, 2009 1:47 pm

junglelord wrote:Steven, Mass is 2d....Charge has to be 3d, it is distributed.
It can't be. Mass is not flat. Also, a distribution can be in any number of dimensions.

Dimensional analysis makes it possible to map physics constants onto a minimum set. One of the most
interesting mappings is that all physics constants can be expressed as ratio's of space and time. It has been done
by multiple people, e.g. http://www.blazelabs.com/f-u-suconv.asp.

That shows that energy for instance is dimensionally equivalent to time/space (the reciprocal of speed). Momentum is time^2/space^2 (two dimensional energy) and mass is time^3/space^3 (3D energy). Charge is then dimensionally equivalent to space (1D). Interesting result is also that angular momentum is the reciprocal of acceleration.

If APM uses the term "mass" at least it should be dimensionally correct, otherwise the formula's are not even wrong.
However, it could be that APM uses a different dimensional mapping of the SI physical constants. Could you tell me in APM what the dimensions are of: current(A), temperature(K), time(s), space(m) and mass(kg) ?
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Re: Visualizing matter

Post by StevenO » Mon Apr 06, 2009 2:21 pm

junglelord wrote:Force = MxLXF (thats 3d)
Energy = MXL^2XF^2 (thats 5d)

Mass is a 2d string. It never changes.
A string would be 1d, I presume?

If you work out these equations dimensionally, then:

Force = Mass x Lenght x Frequency = time^3/space^3 x space x time^-1 = time^2/space^2, not OK, it should be time/space^2.

and:

Energy = Mass x Lenght^2 x Frequency^2 = time^3/space^3 x space^2 x time^-2 = time/space, that looks OK.
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Re: Visualizing matter

Post by junglelord » Mon Apr 06, 2009 2:42 pm

Blaze Labs and APM agree Steven. I already did the leg work.
:D

Plancks Constant and Plancks Length, Compton Wavelength, Mass of the e-, Mass of the p+.
Its the same thing in APM. Mass never changes. It is the 2d analysis of 3d EM charge. Mass and EM charge are proportional.
Because they are two different views of the same thing. Thats simple enough.

A 2d perfect circular string scanning an area of Aether.
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Re: Visualizing matter

Post by StevenO » Mon Apr 06, 2009 2:56 pm

junglelord wrote:Blaze Labs and APM agree Steven. I already did the leg work.
:D

Plancks Constant and Plancks Length, Compton Wavelength, Mass of the e-, Mass of the p+.
Its the same thing in APM. Mass never changes. It is the 2d analysis of 3d EM charge. Mass and EM charge are proportional.
Because they are two different views of the same thing. Thats simple enough.

A 2d perfect circular string scanning an area of Aether.
How can they agree if they differ on the dimensions of Force?

What's APM's proof that Mass and EM charge are proportional?
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Re: Visualizing matter

Post by junglelord » Thu Apr 09, 2009 12:44 pm

They don't disagree, and if you spend ten minutes on APM, the answer will reveal itself. Go forth and findout.
8-)
http://www.16pi2.com/mass_to_charge_ratio.htm
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Re: Visualizing matter

Post by red44 » Thu Apr 09, 2009 1:42 pm

junglelord wrote:Nope, no particles. Only distributed charge with nodes of harmonic resonance that may be taken as a particle.
Yet the distributed charge merely creates harmonic nodes that actually are the forms of platonic solids. Dr Moon of the Manhatten Project realized the uranium outer shell geomtery was the octahedron. Blazelabs have shown the platonic solids form the geomtery of the electron shells. This is simple excitation of specific points on the distributed charge sphere.

Hence you have the wave/particle duality, yet of course its neither. It has to be something different from both exclusive views. Once you realize that all charge is distributed and that most charge equations are already a distributed equation, then you realize that current as a linear expression is not representative of charge, for charge is always distributed. There is no particle, no wave and therefore there is something else. Distributed charge with harmonic nodes, voila the duality is solved.
"A photon is an electron expanding at the speed of light, they exchange angular momentum no energy."

Are you saying that an electron is a node of harmonic resonance that may be taken as a particle?
If so, then is it the node of harmonic resonance that expands at the speed of light?
Who is the "they" in the photon quote?
Your ideas seem quite plausible. From what source does your information derive?
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Re: Visualizing matter

Post by junglelord » Fri Apr 10, 2009 4:54 am

The work by Dr Moon was the discovery of a Dodecahedron....my mistake.
The information I like is from the webpage The Aether Physics Model.
I gave a link just above....mass and proportional charge.
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Re: Visualizing matter

Post by Solar » Sat Apr 11, 2009 8:02 am

I'm studying Aetherometry (amongst other things) and have a couple of questions. I'll cite those things that induced the two questions and then ask them.

'Photons do not travel through space.'
… what travels through space and transmits the light impulse is electrical radiation composed of massfree charges and their associated longitudinal waves (the true phase waves), not electromagnetic radiation composed of photons and their transverse waves. The wave transmission of all electromagnetic signals depends on the transmission of nonelectromagnetic energy, specifically the transmission of electric massfree charges (the propagation of ‘the field’).
Aetherometry claims that solar radiation is electrical, not because it is composed of photons, but because it consists of propagating massfree charges. Unlike massbound charges, massfree charges have no fixed spin orientation with respect to forward propagation. They can be thought of as net spin 0 charges. But at any time, they may have an effective spin that is either -1/2 or +1/2 (actually, -1 and +1, as spin, in Aetherometry, is a number property of angular momentum…
This describes an 'oscillation' or 'alternating' of polarity (or 'spin' for the individual 'charges' of this 'field'.
But whereas the waves composing a photon are analogous to the transverse waves that propagate in water and limited to circularized motion, the waves composing a massfree charge are analogous to the longitudinal pressure waves responsible for the forward propagation of sound. Massfree charges cannot be described as occupying or forming a globular space, or even a toroidal one, but as occupying or forming a forward-moving cycloidal helix.
So, it appears to me that these (Aetherometry & APM) are indeed similar. Simply that the APM calls the “forward moving cycloidal helix” of “longitudinal phase waves” (Tesla waves) - “primary angular momentum”. That seems to be APM’s conceptual term commensurate with Aetherometry’s “ambipolar massfree radiation”. Again, Tesla radiation, the superluminal phase wave. The propagation, ‘transference’, and/or ‘absorption’ of angular momentum imparted from THAT superluminal ‘field’.
Ambipolar massfree energy (Orgone and DOR), aka Tesla radiation

Electric massfree energy consists of ambipolar charges that are devoid of inertial effects and propagate longitudinally. In contrast to the monopolar charges (electrons, protons) that characterize ordinary massbound electricity, ambipolar charges continuously alternate between polar states, or, to say it more accurately, constantly vary their polarity during forward propagation. Ambipolar electricity is a massfree phenomenon. Field capture of ambipolar energy by massbound (monopolar) charges results in their acceleration; deceleration of the same massbound charges results in the local production of blackbody photons.- Aetherometry
Sounds like neutrinos' doesn’t it? Some 'field'-form of 'dark charges' continuously alternating between polar states (ambipolar) during forward propagation. But, concerning the 'neutriono':
The neutrino was first postulated in 1930 when it was found that, from the standpoint of relativity theory, beta decay (the decay of a neutron into a proton and an electron) seemed to violate the conservation of energy. Wolfgang Pauli saved the day by inventing the neutrino, a particle that would be emitted along with every electron and carry away energy and momentum (the emitted particle is nowadays said to be an antineutrino). W.A. Scott Murray described this as ‘an implausible ad hoc suggestion designed to make the experimental facts agree with the theory and not far removed from a confidence trick’.11 Aspden calls the neutrino ‘a figment of the imagination invented in order to make the books balance’ and says that it simply denotes ‘the capacity of the aether to absorb energy and momentum’.12 Several other scientists have also questioned whether neutrinos really exist. - The Farce of Modern Physics
Tesla spoke of 'nonordinary electricity', 'primary electricity', 'ether electricity', 'longitudinal electric waves distinct from electromagnetic radiation', manifestations that have fallen under the rubric of Tesla waves or Tesla radiation; Reich spoke of his massfree orgone energy and orgone charges; Cerenkov spoke of a pilot or phase wave that transmitted 'potential', or its 'envelope', at speeds greater than c, but did not transport electromagnetic energy; Maximo Aucci and Thomas Bearden have described massless electrons associated with longitudinal electric field propagation; Harold Aspden has described cosmological charges that escape the constraints of mass-based relativity, as elements of a dynamic Aether of space.
Is the APM now calling the same thing "primary angular momentum"? Look at all the people cited above who've found the same thing and given It different names - but usually coming back to calling it 'the aether'.

It also appears that we have a Hugh Jass problem with the concept of “massfree”, “massless” etc even though the photon supposedly has no “mass”! Is the superluminal longitudinal phase wave of Tesla’s ‘massfree’-‘nonordinary’-‘primary electricity’ what is being non-collision-ally ‘transferred’ via ‘absorption’, in what appears to be a reinterpretation of the dynamics of the photoelectric effect here on APM’s Angular Momentum page? If not; what is the difference?
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Re: Visualizing matter

Post by junglelord » Sun Apr 12, 2009 2:33 pm

PAM is a quantum unit and dimension all of itself in APM.
The Blacklight Power Project agrees with APM on distributed charge.
Theory in a Nutshell

Dr. Mills unifies the theories of Bohr, de Broglie, Maxwell, Einstein, Newton, etc. via a new insight into the nature of the atom. Mills takes advantage of a 1986 Herman Haus paper that explains how charged particles may undergo acceleration without radiation. He then applies the mathematics of this insight into a new analysis of the hydrogen atom. His new model treats the electron, not as a point nor as a probability wave, but as a dynamic two-dimensional spherical shell surrounding the nucleus. The resulting model, called the “orbitsphere”, provides a fully classical physical explanation for phenomena such as

1. Quantization
2. Angular momentum
3. Bohr magneton

Essentially, the electron orbitsphere is a “dynamic spherical resonator cavity” that traps photons of discrete frequencies. Broader implications of GUT-CQM include the possibility of catalytically shrinking the hydrogen atom to below “ground” state, releasing useful energy in the process. Unification of the electron orbitsphere radius formula with General Relativity (GR) provides a quantum explanation for gravity as well. This leads to a novel explanation for the recently observed accelerating expansion of the cosmos.
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Re: Visualizing matter

Post by seasmith » Sun Apr 12, 2009 2:51 pm

~
... two-dimensional spherical shell surrounding the nucleus.
Once "spherical" and "shell" are specified, you're already into three physical dimensions.
Need to get beyond the "matter'
anachronisms.

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Re: Visualizing matter

Post by junglelord » Mon Apr 13, 2009 6:14 am

Well its no skin off my nose to understand charge as a distributed feature.
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