Is The Real Cause of the Columbia Disaster Being Suppressed?

[nick c]

We have all read the TPOD concerning the destruction of the space shuttle, if not read it here...[url2=http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2005/ ... lumbia.htm]Space Shuttle Struck by Megalightning[/url2]?
The evidence presented is very convincing certainly worthy of consideration. I have always thought that NASA's failure to investigate this possibility was due to the internal control by those with a vested (intellectual) interest in the mainstream astronomy paradigm, which discounts the role of electricity in space. Or, as the TPOD suggests, the disaster may have been the result of "scientific misperception." But now I have to question whether there is some other, perhaps more sinister, motivation.
Notice the note on the TPOD that the original photo has been removed at the request of the photographer. Those of us who remember seeing the photo before it was removed, will tell you that it was quite the impressive shot of a corkscrewing bolt intercepting and then joining the plasma trail of the shuttle. The plasma trail then brightens on its' path to the shuttle. Well this remarkable photo has not only been removed from the TPOD, but it apparently has completely disappeared, that is, it is no longer available anywhere for any price. Why is that?
See this interesting exchange at the Millenium Group (I don't necessarily agree with some of what is written there but they apparently had the photo posted on the site) website:
[url2=http://www.tmgnow.com/repository/planet ... eat7A.html]Where Did The Image Go[/url2]?

...I apologize for posting the picture. I did not know from
the source that it was your copyright, or even
copyrighted at all for that fact. I am willing to
consider paying for the right to post the image. But
due to your harsh approach and threats, it sounds as
though you're not interested in that....
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and the response:

...Imagine if you will that something you own has been taken without your permission and used
to advance an agenda you do not subscribe to. This is exactly the offense that you have
committed on me and my property and should explain why I approach you as an adversary.
I am not seeking money or publicity. I have no desire to license the image to you or anyone....

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So the photographer gives a link to the picture if you want to purchase it, but the link is dead. Then later, he writes that he has "no desire to license the image to you or anyone." It smells fishy to me, like he was either paid off or threatened or whatever...
Here is an [url2=http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.c ... pe=science]article[/url2] from the San Francisco Chronicle several days after the Columbia disaster.

He ultimately reached investigators through a connection with a relative who attends the same church as former astronaut Jack Lousma, who flew 24 million miles in the Skylab 3 mission in 1973.

Lousma put him in direct touch with Ralph Roe Jr., chief engineer for the shuttle program at Johnson Space Flight Center in Houston.

After a series of telephone conversations Tuesday afternoon, the photographer had a veteran shuttle mission specialist knocking at his door by dinnertime. Within hours, he was left with a receipt, and his camera was on its way to Houston.

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I am not big on conspiracy theories, but this is truly strange.
Is NASA fully aware of the true cause of the shuttle failure and witholding that information from the public? Did they buy or otherwise procure the picture in a cover up? if so why?
Does anyone have any info, opinions, or input on this?

nick c

[bboyer]

For what it's worth, here is the orginal (previously recovered) thread on the subject. I noted the "disappearance" of the photo in one of the early posts to that thread and gave an ATS thread link to where the photo could still, at that time, be found. In just checking the ATS thread I see that the photo has since been removed by request from there as well. Perhaps the copyright holder is holding out for a "controversial" book deal or some such. Could be some other contractual arrangement or who-knows-what.

http://thunderbolts.info/forum/phpBB3/v ... ttle#p1674

Before anyone wonders if the conspiratorial powers also reached into the heart of the TB forum because the pictures once posted to that thread are no longer valid, the thread was recovered a year ago from Google's cache, after the first forum crash in which we lost all the posted material. Unfortunately, a 2nd crash a few months ago resulted in corruption of most of the images from all the threads posted between the times of the 1st crash recovery and the subsequent 2nd crash. Seeing that the copyright owner of that particular photo is apparently taking an active interest in enforcing his rights, and just from the fact that sufficient notice has been given in sundry places across the Internet that it is a copyrighted image, there will be no effort to repost it to the forums here.

[nick c]

Hi arc-us,
I know that no one at TB had anything to do with any conspiracy. I do not even know if there is any conspiracy. As the notation on the TPOD declares, the photographer requested its' removal. It is understood that one has to oblige any copyright requests.
My question has to do with the complete erasure of this photo from the record, not only the TPOD, but everywhere.
The real question is why would there be such an effort to enforce the photographers rights to the photo, yet it is not available for sale at any price? The end result being that the photo has been expunged from public record. Who benefits from that?
Wherever George Orwell is, I think he is smiling.

nick c

[bboyer]

Yeah to both, who benefits and George O. Guess we'll just have to wait for the book, movie link, or internal memo "leak." Or whatever. |grin|

[nick c]

Here is an interesting analysis of the Columbia disaster, it seems to be EU compatible, also notice that the photos have been removed:

My concern that if this potential is not recognized, future space craft may be put into the same danger where a few simple precautions can drastically reduce or eliminate this risk of Hyper-Lightning Strikes.

As I stated in the conclusion of my paper: Shuttle Columbia Disaster: Wrong Place, Wrong Time! "(Solar) Shockwaves detected by ACE and SOHO must be factored into future spacecraft landings and launching, any sign of a shockwave and the landing must be delayed. Landings and launchings should also take place when the landing path is not in sunlight so the spacecraft doesn't cross either the morning or evening sunlight transitions to avoid potential charged sheets in the ionosphere. The Russian results on acoustic testing of the Barun project should be reviewed for potential changes to the heat shield and structure modifications."

Ironic that the event that the CAIB dismissed because science had never seen an event like this without a thundercloud present was shown to be possible from the research later analyzed by Israeli researchers (almost 2 years after the accident) initially recorded earlier in the mission from the same Shuttle Flight.

http://www.superforce.com/shuttle/index.htm

Note the use of the terms "Hyper-Lightning" and "(Solar) Shockwave."
The first is the "megalightning" of the TPOD, and the second is a surge in the solar wind.

In addition, I did find the photo on the web by googling:
Columbia +shuttle +lightning bolt +photo
and it appeared in the upper left corner for image results.
See how long that lasts.

NASA has to know the truth, they cannot be that stupid, can they?
After all this is not rocket science...oh wait, I guess it is
If so why the cover up?

nick c

[redeye]

The entire purpose of Columbia's final mission was to investigate upper atmosphere discharge phenomena. They returned video footage of upper atmosphere discharge events and of discharges along the plumes left by meteors as they passed into the mesosphere.

NASA were embarassed by the loss of the Columbia and in an initial press conference they blamed the accident on a discharge event with some relief - mainstream science cannot explain such phenomenon so how could NASA have foreseen this. I saw a documentary recently which placed the blame for the accident on damage to the wing during takeoff. Evidence of any discharge event was barely mentioned and the photograph was dismissed.

I have a copy of the photo on my hard drive if anyone would like me to email it to them.

Cheers!

[nick c]

redeye,
Thanks for that valuable information. There is definetly more here than meets the eye. That the cover up is to avoid embarrassment is a possibility.

The entire purpose of Columbia's final mission was to investigate upper atmosphere discharge phenomena.

Well I guess they learned more than they wanted to know.

NASA were embarassed by the loss of the Columbia and in an initial press conference they blamed the accident on a discharge event with some relief - mainstream science cannot explain such phenomenon so how could NASA have foreseen this.

I for one, am not faulting NASA for the accident, none of their experts warned them of the hazard. As you state, mainstream could not explain the phenomenon. I am faulting NASA for the cover up. As I stated in my previous post, it is difficult to believe that they don't know the Columbia was destroyed by an electrical discharge.
1. If they know, then they are guilty of a cover up. They have an obligation to the taxpayers, their employers, to tell the truth.
2. If they don't know by now, then they are incompetent. They could be excused for not knowing at the time. But post accident analysis should have led them to the obvious truth.

Maybe I am being paranoid here but, something is rotten in the state of Denmark.

nick c

[junglelord]

NASA is a public relations machine...controlled by higher forces. Come one guys. Your only going so far as this missing photo. The missing photos from Rendelsham forest and a landed craft that was investigated for 45 minutes...all kinds of missing photos. All kinds. There is more then Denmark that is fishy. Banks, Military, Industrial, Complex. Its a three ring circus now boys...and banks freely eat all your money then take the rest from the government, and nooooo one can link this shit?


EU is a simple paradigm they do not want out of the bag, face it.
It links directly to everything we should be clear about.
They have been pulling the wool over the public eye since about 1934.
They continue to do so and they are not about to stop.
If they do allow access to "information" in a offical sense, you will all see the conspiracy nuts were not so stupid.

These three things are linked, UFO and ET, EU, Secrect Technology Paradigms, collapse of the free market with the unveiling of this information. They own the first three and the free market...what can you do? Know the truth and walk away, thats about it, cause you cannot change a damn thing. And No I am not crazy, just well informed.

[GaryN]

I thought it had been determined that it was a plasma breach? The integrity of the Faraday cage was compromised by the hole in the wing, and the insides of the shuttle would be 'sucked out', so to speak?

Plasma is what makes the space shuttle visible, glowing like a shooting white star as it re-enters Earth's atmosphere. It's also the essence of a fluorescent bulb and what enables television manufacturers to make big screens that are just 2 inches thick.

And now plasma, an exotic phenomenon known as the fourth state of matter, has been identified by NASA as the possible trigger for the events that resulted in the disintegration of the space shuttle Columbia two weeks ago today.

http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1G1-97803252.html

Some plasma experiments:

https://hampedia.org/wiki/Project_Apricot

Note that the type B plasma which can be purple, the same color as the 'corkscrew' observed with the shuttle, is produced in a partially evacuated chamber.

[nick c]

Hi GaryN,

I thought it had been determined that it was a plasma breach? The integrity of the Faraday cage was compromised by the hole in the wing, and the insides of the shuttle would be 'sucked out', so to speak?

This maybe a description of what happened but it is not the cause. NASA's official explanation was that there was tile damage, resulting in the events described in your quote. The photo of the megalightning traveling up the shuttle's plasma contrail and to the shuttle indicates an entirely different cause for said events.
The problem is that the shuttle was way to high to be hit by conventional earthly lightning, apparently NASA does not see Red Sprites as a problem. However, Wal Thornhill explains that this is the most likely cause of the disaster:
[url2=http://www.holoscience.com/news.php?article=cc6y424y]Columbia Downed By Megalightning[/url2]

"The Earth is enveloped in a cosmic discharge, focussed on the Sun. So it is no surprise in an electric universe to have lightning from space follow the ionized trail of Columbia. The dense plasma trail left by the shuttle is an ideal "lightning rod" of vast dimensions that could easily give rise to the reported corkscrewing rope of purple light blazing down from above. The sudden brightening of the streak shows that power was being concentrated into a destructive arc near the shuttle.

It seems that conditions in the ionosphere led to a powerful lightning discharge to Columbia - a rare "bolt from the blue" - which may have damaged a critical component or surface of the space shuttle. The lightning would be practically silent in the thin atmosphere and it would burn like a plasma torch. And insulating material, like the shuttle tiles or their adhesive, may shatter or explode when struck by lightning.

The metallic surfaces of aircraft hit by lightning may show a little damage but it does not impair their airworthiness. Columbia, struck by a super-bolt while travelling at 12,000 mph, was terribly vulnerable. NASA might be advised to send a tiled wing panel for testing to a lightning research facility."
I doubt that such testing ever happened. NASA's perception of reality is governed by ideology and politics, not science. Heaven help the astronauts.

I still cannot believe that NASA, which may have been ignorant before the disaster, does not now know the real cause.

nick c

[redeye]

I found this, may be interesting:

http://www.superforce.com/shuttle/index.htm

Cheers!

[redeye]

Sorry, that was completely the wrong link...and I can't find it again, shouldn't be posting at work!

I did find this though: certainly not a link to the photograph showing a high altitude lightning bolt intersecting with the plasma contrail of the Columbia shuttle

Cheers!

[allynh]

This is the official story as shown on NOVA.

Space Shuttle Disaster
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/columbia/

Video
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/columbia/program.html

transcript
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/transcript ... umbia.html

[Orlando]

Funny that history seems to repeat itself in weird way.

It seems the Hindenburg was ignited by a st elmos fire (corona discharge) from the tower
it was to be moored on.
This was confirmed by the official inquiry board.

source: MIT lecture at 47 minute mark of this Video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9501V-D- ... r_embedded

thought it might be relevent

Peace
Or

[saturnine]

I want to see the other four photos that were taken at the same time. As for copyrights and all that, any idea who actually has the pics now, is it NASA or the photographer? If it's NASA, can the photographer even claim a copyright to it? In one of the above linked articles the author said he tried to obtain the pics from NASA through a Freedom of Information Act request, but nothing came of it.