Evidence of Ancient Global Cataclysm

[Lloyd]

Nick, if possible, how about splitting this thread into two, starting at John's first post and name the second thread something like John's Theory or Water Earth Theory of Ancient Global Cataclysm?

[nick c]

John, Lloyd, and other interested parties,
I have made a new thread "Earth - The Water Planet and Ancient Global Cataclysm"
and moved the relevant posts here:
http://www.thunderbolts.info/forum/phpB ... 10&t=16184

[Grey Cloud]

John, Lloyd, and other interested parties,
I have made a new thread "Earth - The Water Planet and Ancient Global Cataclysm"
and moved the relevant posts here:
http://www.thunderbolts.info/forum/phpB ... 10&t=16184

Nicely.

[Lloyd]

Thanks much, Nick.

Grey Cloud, at http://www.thunderbolts.info/forum/phpB ... 75#p109676 you said:
"Venus and Mars were definitely involved in the LBA collapse as were Jupiter and the Sun. Homer makes this clear."

Would you like to quote Homer where he made that clear? I'd like to see exactly what he said in that respect.

[Grey Cloud]

Lloyd,

Would you like to quote Homer where he made that clear? I'd like to see exactly what he said in that respect.

There isn't one quote or passage that I can point you at. My view is derived from the context of the story (which I believe involves the story of the LBA collapse); what the narrator says about Aphrodite and Ares; and the various dialogues between the Olympians.
Best I can do for you, aside from recommending you read one of the best books in world, is point you here:
http://www.theoi.com/Olympios/AphroditeMyths2.html Scroll down to 'Aphrodite and the Trojan War'.
and
http://www.theoi.com/Olympios/AresMyths2.html#Troy You might have to scroll down here too.

[Grey Cloud]

Does Antarctica Have A Hidden Layer Of Meteorites Below Its Surface?
http://www.universetoday.com/127492/doe ... s-surface/

[GaryN]

I have one almost identical, lugged it home from the beach years ago, before I ever knew about EU and the possibility of electrically formed/altered rocks. Very heavy for its size, not a meteorite.
http://www.universetoday.com/wp-content ... eorite.jpg
Antarctica IMO is one of the more electrically brutalised regions of the Earth.

[Grey Cloud]

From
http://cosmictusk.com/wp-content/upload ... .51.45.png

Molleson, Theya. “The Ordinary Neolithic People of Abu Hureyra.” Fresh Fields and Pastures New: Papers Presented in Honor of Andrew MT Moore (2016): 187:
https://www.scribd.com/doc/295110080/16 ... bu-Hureyra

It's about an asteroid or comet impact.

[Lloyd]

Does Antarctica Have A Hidden Layer Of Meteorites Below Its Surface?
http://www.universetoday.com/127492/doe ... ts-surface.

Did yous see my recent post, Huge Canyon and Crater in Antarctica, at http://www.thunderbolts.info/forum/phpB ... 36#p111136? The crater seems to have been discovered in 2006 under a km of ice in Wilkesland, while the canyon, over twice as long as the Grand Canyon, but not quite as deep, is in Princess Elizabeth land[?], and was written up last October or so in Geology magazine, I think. The canyon and a fairly large lake are also under a similar depth of ice. The crater is larger than any other known crater in the world at about 250 miles in diameter, but it's only about half as wide as the Somali Basin crater that Mike Fischer located off east Africa.

The electric charge on bolides comes from friction in the atmosphere, as Charles Chandler explains in great detail, not from electric currents in space, as is theorized but never explained in any detail. The charge does build up enough to cause thermonuclear explosions, either from impacting Earth's surface, or from internal detonation as an airburst. The charge is great enough to carve out rilles near the point of impact.

[Lloyd]

Source of Bronze Age Copper
After watching America Unearthed last night, I did some digging online and found some interesting material showing that the Bronze Age was fueled by nearly pure copper from Michigan. I'm posting info on this at http://qdl.scs-inc.us/?top=18755.

The dates for the Bronze Age are said to be about 2,500 to 1,200 BC, I think. How was the copper found? That appears to be right after the Great Flood. People still had pretty good technology since before the Flood. So they were able to use old tech to find new deposits, I guess. What happened at 1,200 BC that ended the Bronze Age and the mining of copper in Michigan? Was there another major cataclysm then? Grey Cloud, what's your finding on that?

Venus Comet Connection?
Here's the Table of Contents of a book mentioned there.
Book Contents
4800 BC. Cairn of Barnenez (Brittany), explorations of the British Isles
3200 BC. Petroglyphs of Loughcrew (Ireland), the discovery of the islands in the Atlantic
3200 BC. Rings of Brodgar, Steness, and Bookan (Orkneys), the discoveries of Greenland
3000 BC. Paintings of Porcelano Cave (Mexico), the discovery of Guadalupe Island
2950 BC. Passage Grave of Karleby (Sweden), islands discovered in the ocean
2500 BC. Fourknocks Passage Grave (Ireland), the "Beaker People"
2400 BC. Boscawen-un Punt Circle (Cornwall), discovery of the backside of Earth
**2345 BC. Comet Graves and Comet Petroglyphs (Brittany), a cosmic disaster recorded
2300 BC. Buriz Petroglyph (Spain), the northern explorations
**2200 BC. Los Millares (Spain), a date for the arrival of michigan copper in Europe
2200 BC. Ocean Pendants (Iberia), honors for sailors to Paradise
**2100 BC. Michigan Copper in the Mediterranean
2000 BC. Petroglyph of Serrazes (portugal), a chart of the Southern Crossing
2000 BC. Rows and Petropots (Iberia). megalithic culture
**2000 BC. Stonehenge petroglyph (England), sailing route to America
2000 BC. Rows of Kermario (Brittany), The Royal Crossing of the Ocean
1900 BC. Rows of Kerlescan (Brittany), The Royal Crossing of the Ocean
1900 BC Rows of Leure (Brittany), ocean sailing routes
1800 BC. Rows of Menec (Brittany), The Royal Crossing of the Ocean
1600 BC. Monument of Lagatjar (Brittany), crossing the Labrador Sea
1600 BC. Disc of Nebra (Germany), sailing routes of the Bronze Age
1600 BC. Rows of Tormsdale (Scotland), a voyage to Central America
1600 BC. Rows of Tormsdale (Scotland), a return route across the Ocean
1500 BC. Poverty Point (Louisiana), manufacturing of Copper Oxhides
**1200 BC. Comet Figurines (Mexico), catastrophic end of the Bronze Age
**500 BC. Monument of Ales Stenar (Sweden), a sunship to the Realm of the Dead

Notice that it mentions a comet at 2345 BC. I think that's the same date Jonathan Gray came up with for the Great Flood. So this may be more evidence for Comet Venus as the cause of the Flood at that time.

[Norman]

@Lloyd,

THE CRESCENT-SHIP -- All ancient sun gods sail in a celestial ship. In the oldest ritual the ship appears as a crescent revolving around the circle of the great god's dwelling, while the god himself remains stationary. The ship's "mooring post" (and, by extension, its "mast") is the cosmic mountain. One of Saturn's most extraordinary possessions is the ark of heaven. Saturn is "literally represented as sailing over the ocean in a ship," remarks Faber.

As an amateur astronomer, I have this idea to ponder about.

If focusing on "a celestial mooring post and a crescent shape", this could be the celestial pole and the crescent shape of the Milky Way, which seeemingly is revolving around the celestial pole. If so, this figure and its connected myths has nothing to do with the Sun, and the "light-quality" which is ascribed to these myths, is then the light of the Milky Way figure as seen here https://bobmoler.files.wordpress.com/20 ... 051515.png

This crescent vaulting figure is "moored" to the celestial pole in Ursa Minor, both revolving and stationary at the same time, but such an imagery of course challenge the standing perception of all so called Sun-Gods and these must be ascribed to the Milky Way figure instead.

Do you think this figure can qualify as both "a god in the Sky" and "a celestial ship"?

[Lloyd]

Ship of Heaven
If the Milky Way was what the ancients saw as a ship traveling the oceans of heaven, why would they have confused it with the Moon and Saturn and with the cause of the Deluge and other cataclysms? Has anyone else theorized that the Milky Way was the ancient Sun god or the ship of heaven? Saturn was said to have devoured his own children. Could the ancients have imagined that the Milky Way devoured falling stars or other objects that were imagined to have come from the Milky Way? Also, the image you linked to of the stars in the sky map doesn't show the Milky Way.

Saturn Theory
The Saturn Theorists seem to have done more work than anyone else at painstakingly identifying the ancient gods via comparative mythology. Their methodology seems to be more sound than any other. Although the implication of the Saturn Theory is that Venus, Mars & Earth trailed closely behind Saturn in ancient times, which most people don't want to think is possible, the SL9 comet and runaway stars show that it is possible for stars (like Saturn) to escape from a galaxy or star system and for objects (including planets & moons) to travel in a line like the SL9 fragments. I'll try to ask Charles if he can determine if Earth could stay warm enough while traveling through space about a million miles behind a dwarf star like Saturn.

[Norman]

@Lloyd,

Ship of Heaven
If the Milky Way was what the ancients saw as a ship traveling the oceans of heaven, why would they have confused it with the Moon and Saturn and with the cause of the Deluge and other cataclysms?

I don´t think anyone would confuse the largest crescent Milky Way contour in the sky for neither the Moon nor planet Saturn, and certainly not the ancients who were very skilled observers in the nature.

The attached image in my former reply shows the northern contours of the Milky Way and the celestial pole area, but I´ve found a better one here:

Southern and Northern hemisphere Milky Way contours.

If imaging the northern contour to the right revolving around the celestial pole, this can be depicted/styled as a ship, as seen on the Rock Art ship here with a dot and ring.

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There are lots of ancient Milky Way explanations, amongst others also "The heavenly River" (Flood)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milky_Way_%28mythology%29
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_n ... _Milky_Way

[seasmith]

Greetings Norman,

Nice photos !
Your name isn't Ivar, is it ?

http://www.native-science.net/Introduction.htm

[Grey Cloud]

Greetings Norman,

Nice photos !
Your name isn't Ivar, is it ?

http://www.native-science.net/Introduction.htm

As in Norseman?