static electricity

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static electricity

Post by rory88 » Thu May 28, 2015 7:48 am

http://phys.org/news/2011-06-northweste ... icity.html
does any one have any thoughts on how static electricity comes about and why it comes about
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Re: static electricity

Post by fosborn_ » Thu May 28, 2015 10:05 am

bubbles and patches. sounds like micro double layers.. the spin off of this could be significant. IMO. technology wise.
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Re: static electricity

Post by D_Archer » Thu May 28, 2015 11:28 am

I only know that it should not be called "static" electricity.

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Re: static electricity

Post by jtb » Thu May 28, 2015 5:23 pm

WC Wright in "Gravity is a Push" states that objects charged with static electricity repel each other regardless how they are positioned. They repel but do not attract.

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Re: static electricity

Post by Pi sees » Thu May 28, 2015 9:04 pm

jtb wrote:WC Wright in "Gravity is a Push" states that objects charged with static electricity repel each other regardless how they are positioned. They repel but do not attract.
Then why do my socks cling to my pillow cases after they've been through the clothes dryer?

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Re: static electricity

Post by jtb » Sun May 31, 2015 4:01 am

Pi sees wrote: jtb wrote:
WC Wright in "Gravity is a Push" states that objects charged with static electricity repel each other regardless how they are positioned. They repel but do not attract.

Then why do my socks cling to my pillow cases after they've been through the clothes dryer?
I believe its because they were charged together; not separately. Try the experiment from 2 separate dryer loads. It would be a great experiment.

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Re: static electricity

Post by kevin » Sun May 31, 2015 4:27 am

jtb wrote:WC Wright in "Gravity is a Push" states that objects charged with static electricity repel each other regardless how they are positioned. They repel but do not attract.

There is no such force as termed as gravity.
There are consequences of how mass is held within memory fields.
It is the fields interacting which are 4D based.
The mass is in 3D.
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Re: static electricity

Post by moonkoon » Sun May 31, 2015 5:10 pm

From the article referenced by rory88,
... And while this research does definitively show that clumps of patches are indeed transferred between objects as a result of touching, not everyone is convinced that it fully answers the question of why static electricity is created, some going so far as to suggest that there may be other properties at work as well.

and then,

...These mosaics of surface charge have the same topological characteristics for different types of electrified dielectrics and accommodate significantly more charge per unit area than previously thought.
Quite a bit more (or less) in fact, by a factor of 100,000, according to this report from last year.
Static Electricity Defies Simple Explanation
Adrian Cho Thursday, May 15, 2014
If you’ve ever wiggled a balloon against your hair, you know that rubbing together two different materials can generate static electricity. But rubbing bits of the same material can create static, too. Now, researchers have shot down a decades-old idea of how that same-stuff static comes about. ...

... The tally showed that the beads start out with far too few trapped electrons to explain the static buildup, Jaeger says. In fact, even if the researchers try to make trapped electrons boil up to the surface by exposing the grains to light, the density of trapped electrons remains less than 1/100,000 of what would be needed to explain the effect, the researchers report in a paper in press at Physical Review Letters. ...

... If the grains aren't swapping electrons, then where do the charges come from? They could come from hydroxide ions in a layer of water a molecule thick that inevitably coats the grains, Jaeger speculates.
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The conventional view of static electricity as being entirely electron/ion related* isn't standing up very well to close examination.

* ... The phenomenon of static electricity requires a separation of positive and negative charges. When two materials are in contact, electrons may move from one material to the other, which leaves an excess of positive charge on one material, and an equal negative charge on the other. When the materials are separated they retain this charge imbalance. ...

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