ancient petroglyphs

[nick c]

Ivar,

But your biggest problem is this: You cannot even BEGIN to imagine anything else but the physical tings, and that’s why you and lots of peoples are reading and taking Myths literary or even as a cock-and-bull stories that makes no sense at all.

You cannot even begin thinking of what ancient Shamans did experience in their spiritually travels - it is far beyond your slightest imagination.

But still you like to se yourself as an expert on mythical understanding?

- Because of your lack of spiritual experiences you cannot even begin to imagine that the myths can hold factual cosmological knowledge.

That’s why you and all non-spiritually experienced interpreters of myths, for instants, are reading the global Flood Myths and other genuine myths as catastrophes when it really deals with the Milky Way River Mythology and the Story of Creation.

Via such lack of spiritually experiences, the literary thinkers are distorting the genuine cosmological knowledge inherited in the Myths – and all kinds of strange theories and hypothesis shows up - mostly based on spiritual ignorance.

This is the crux of the problem. You have here described a means of analyzing myth through a process that is based on a mystical revelation of "truth." The bottom line is that such an approach is antithetical to a scientific analysis. There is no falsifiability, at least in your mind. When presented with evidence contrary to your ideas you shrug it off, saying we need to consult our inner spirit! This is a science forum, although at odds with the scientific establishment or the current reigning political structure of science, most here subscribe to the use of the scientific method as a means of understanding the universe. Though that method has limitations, we must work within those boundaries, the alternative is chaos. An idea must be fortified with evidence that supports it (regardless of where the initial inspiration came from) and discarded or modified when new evidence does not lend support. There is no room for spiritual revelation (which is religion, put another way) in the analysis.



nick c

[StevenJay]

I realize I'm contributing to thread drift here, so this will be my final comment on the matter:

Would you be stroked with awe if a lightning hit you - or if a cosmic explosion hit you, or if you, by any spiritually fortune, suddenly found your self drawn away out of your body and close to the Milky Way center, experiencing the creative force here?

Of course you would! You would be scared to death!

* Actually, on two occassions, I have had lightning strike close enough to me to "feel" it. I've had tinitis ever since the first event about 20 years ago.
* I have no idea what you mean by "cosmic explosion."
* I have explored the inner/outer universe via numerous out-of-body experiences throughout my life, and not once was I ever "scared to death." Quite the contrary, in fact. It is always an indescribably exhilarating experience that I wish would never end; an experience which I'm convinced is more akin to
our true state of being than the one we're all currently experiencing. My wife, who has had many more OBEs than I have, would concure.

You go on to describe me and others as being "non-spiritually experienced" simply because I (we) speak in more scientific terms in this science-based forum. Well, here's a news-flash for you, Ivar: It is my personal inner knowing that "all-that-is" is spiritually based. In other words, a manifestation of that which is non-manifest (today's [url2=http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/00current.htm]TPOD[/url2] goes into that in beautiful detail). It makes me wonder how one as spiritually grounded as you claim to be could even consider making such a remark. We are all infinite spiritual beings, and this life we are all sharing is in and of itself a spiritual experience, whether an individual chooses to acknowledge that or not.

[SpaceTravellor]

@StevenJay.
Yes, accordingly to the administrative board, this tread is apparently drifting away - so I’ll also make my end remarks.

1. Myths origin from both physical and spiritual experiences.
2. In order to understand the Myths, one has to mentally and spiritual go back to the time of origin. (Or go into direct spiritual/intuitive contact)
3. If the myths only are taken literary, one misses the half mythological knowledge.
4. The myths contain real cosmological knowledge and not cock and bull telling.
5. The interpreting system can be comparative mythology, astronomy, cosmology and via spiritual experiences.
6. In my opinion, it is not a god argument to say that a partly spiritual mythology only can be measured by pure scientifical means. This is contra dictionary.

StevenJay, I’m happy to read of your out of body experiences – and somewhat surprised that you seemingly still can’t give the spiritually experiences more weight in your studies. (What did you experience?)

Enough for me for now.

[SpaceTravellor]

@NickC,
Just read my answer to StevenJay

[webolife]

Sorry if I'm also contributing to thread drift... I'd summarize my thinking here by saying that ancient petroglyphs reflect the experiences of the artists. Who can deny that some of these experiences are of terrestrial nature, some celestial, some spiritual, some of mundane personal experience? So it behooves us all to search out corroborative evidences for any and all of the above, and not limit our own understanding to a single perspective. Those glyphs of dinosaur-like creatures... I'd be personally disappointed to find that these were depictions of the Milky Way dragon instead of an earthly reptilian encounter... but if more evidence comes forth to corroborate either view, that's fine with me.

[SpaceTravellor]

@weboflife,
You wrote:

I'd be personally disappointed to find that these were depictions of the Milky Way dragon instead of an earthly reptilian encounter... but if more evidence comes forth to corroborate either view, that's fine with me.

- At least you are open for alternative points of views - what more can one expect?

- Though, you shall not expect anything mythological to do with the Milky Way coming trough here on Thunderbolt - it would turn over the whole mythological hypothesis presented on Thunderbolt, which is why I got the administrators after me, deleting and removing my replies.

This is my last response - I expect to be informed soon how to delete my membership. Read this again: http://www.thunderbolts.info/forum/phpB ... =15#p26145

[junglelord]

I can take several views on many items. No one can prove their case, but make their best attempts to convince others of how they convinced themselves. I therefore often have three ideas for one thing...mine, yours and the other guys.


A open mind will become tuned at some point. I struggle with galactic lightning and earth scaring.
There, I said it, whew, that feels better.


Cheers for freedom of speech, thought and friendly talk about things that are interesting.
Why does someone always have to be RIGHT??????
Total downer man. I like it when its still a mystery.
Much more entertaining...like being married for 50 years vs your first time....how new and exciting.
I prefer the mystery and competing theories.

So really, don't leave, don't have to be right, and stay and talk.
Its your chance to share openly. The thread is open for you to discuss your views on this subject, so why go away over hurt feelings and deleted post?

Come on, your not serious?
Cheers dude, no one agrees with everything even us here.
So I will say that the study of the petroglyphs is quite exciting and possibly both could be right.
WOW, sacrilage.


I see no reason why both could not fullfill their own respective mental overlaps. I agree that the commonality is very strong in favor of worlds in colision, but since I do have trouble with that idea and earth scaring via galactic lightning, your view did interest me. I still think that anything is possible and my struggle to accept a wild idea like worlds in colision vs all my other conspiracy theories is quite beyond me...but I find it hard to accept as the only right answer. I see it as a viability, and to that my mind is open.

I would never stop defending the basic premis that space is electric. That means galactic lightning is possible. It also means that worlds in colision are quite possible. Why I find the two extensions hard to accept as the only right answer, in the same way I accept the EU, is something of a mystery to me. I must be defective.


I see a phase conjugate system that is ordered by quantum and aether units, both fractal & holographic, both 5-d & 10-d, with coherent, collective behaviour, creating a massive scalar charge and the responding folded aether and angular momentum appears as the creation of matter. From the underlying sea of aether and the seperate sea of angular momentum, this massive scalar mixer creates folded aether units appearing as light and electrons...so at the center of galaxy, there is some weird shit going on, and its no black hole. That in and of itself is beautiful, the birth of galaxys....now where is that in the petroglyphs? The birthing of galaxies from the center of our own? I am not sure if its there or not, but I believe in it....so there is a lot of faith going on at some level for all of us spiritual creatures in this material world....ghost in the machine, syncronicity, DMT dreamland.

I often think that when your hands are in prayer, its a Casimir effect that is possible, with just the distance between praying hands....ever think of that?

Cheers.

[SpaceTravellor]

@Junglelord,

Thanks a lot for your concerns and remarks.

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I can take several views on many items. No one can prove their case, but make their best attempts to convince others of how they convinced themselves. I therefore often have three ideas for one thing...mine, yours and the other guys.

Ad: I too can take several views on many items. What I can’t take, is when posting my own views; I immediately get the Administrators after me.

Even outside Thunderbolt in another discussion forum, a TB-Administrator has been after me!

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Cheers for freedom of speech, thought and friendly talk about things that are interesting.
Why does someone always have to be RIGHT??????

AD: I don’t have to be right, but I even don’t get the free right to express my points of views in order for others to judge my arguments and see if I POSSIBLY has the right! Posts are removed, topics deleted, one gets attacked By DT from a closed Forum topic, without any chance to defence.

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The thread is open for you to discuss your views on this subject, so why go away over hurt feelings and deleted post?

AD: If this tread is/was really open, why does Dave Smith interfere at all? What expert is he on the general issues of “Ancient Petroglyphs”? Or maybe he did react on behalf of some other in this tread or in this Forum?

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I see no reason why both could not fulfil their own respective mental overlaps.

AD: Junglelord – and anyone else who like to get second points of views: TELL THE ADMINISTRATORS THIS!

I’ve tried in vain to fulfil mine on the Thunderbolt!

- David Talbott asks for response on his mythological works, and when someone are giving him this, he totally goes in the oestrous mode, removes topics and pecks on the “hijacking members” from his closed topic with the very same topic title of the removed, leaving the attacked members totally defenceless.

David Talbott is (of course!) very much allowed to use mythological symbols and texts in his works - but when others does the very same in order to underline their own points of views, all hell is loose.

David Talbott is of course also intitled to set his own rules on his own Forum, but if he cannot take ANY criticism and other points of view at all, he - and the assembled Administration Board - clearly should state this!

Junglelord, for the time being I just can repeat this:

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(…) I suggest the Thunderbolt Administrators to make this very clear statement in big and bold font in the Forum Rules:

“It is not allowed to think or write the slightest astray from the meanings of the Administrators. If members accidentally are having any doubts what so ever of what thoughts are allowed, they shall first ask the Administrators what to think and write”.

Making such a clear statement in the rules, the Thunderbolt Forum can avoid all theories and hypothesis to be really tested – and thereby also avoid wasting time for the those peoples that might think that the Thunderbolt forum is a real open forum for any new ideas – or a forum that welcomes any criticism.

- Just tell me when the Administrators have made and announced this clear and honest addition to the Rules – tell me also at the same time with such an announcement to all members, how one can quit and delete ones membership.

NB: In fact, 2 days after David Talbott, apparently very frustrated, deleted and moved the original Forensic of Comparative Mythology Topic, I asked him to delete my membership at once, but even this little fever was to much for him to do for me - and I can’t find any menu’s where I myself can quit the TB straitjacket.

NNB:
Junglelord: Thanks again for your concerns!
You – and all other in favour for alternative mythological thoughts - are of course very welcome to contact me personally on:

nielsen.ivar@gmail.com

And to visit my site:
http://www.native-science.net

[junglelord]

Hard to argue that point. I will check out your page.

[bboyer]

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NB: In fact, 2 days after David Talbott, apparently very frustrated, deleted and moved the original Forensic of Comparative Mythology Topic, I asked him to delete my membership at once, but even this little fever was to much for him to do for me - and I can’t find any menu’s where I myself can quit the TB straitjacket.

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Ivar, I have deleted your account as per your request above. All it would have taken would have been a simple PM to a moderator to do so. You may re-create it in the future should you wish. Or not; your call.