The Solar Circuit (Back to Basics)

[upriver]

This is the vantage point from which I view some of these phenomena and the variety of theories that accompany them. It is only through consideration of a “universal medium” that “cascades” into a multiplicity of ‘’objects’, ‘phases’ and phenomena that the whole of EM Theory progressed in the first place. Sure, the focus has been on Aetherometry, Eric P. Dollard, some Konstantin Meyl, and Electric Universe (*the concept*). Tesla’s work and concepts heavily influences the experimental foundations of first three therefore they MUST infuse the conceptual basis of the last regardless of who is positioning an EU hypothesis of any kind imho.

To Kiwi the answer is yes, just as the above Superluminal Experiment demonstrates unsung contributions to modern theory by early electric pioneers have been overshadowed. The principle behind the Superluminal Experiment Itself was demonstrated by Tesla lighting bulbs placed in the ground some 25 miles away by tuning the equipment to the injected frequency of the ground based version of Longitudinal standing waves decades ago. Is the principle applicable in Astrophysics? I think so.

The rest is up to each individual to assess for themselves how the Tesla/Ampere Longitudinal Force fits into their conception of an “electric universe”; if at all.

When you see a single wire transmission system put in to action then you wonder about the reality of circuits being being a necessity.
Resonance Single Wire Power Transmission
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qz1-RIcj1HY

[Robertus Maximus]

Celeste said: You know how we see current flowing into the sun http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2014ApJ...780..103W in cylinders on opposite sides of the sun, yet at the other end of the solar cycle some have shown evidence for a plasma torus around the sun (not current TO the sun)?

Is the second image here what that paper shows? The first image on the left is the Wikipedia image of the HCS. The second image, on the right, is the same thing but with the sheet divided into two tubes. Is that the right idea?

The second image does match what they see. The first image does NOT match. This illustrates where the problem crept in; we can map the image on the right to either their image, OR an image of cylinders coming in from both sides.

Please refer to the following image from the 'Alfven and Juergens Circuits, a Reconciliation?' thread.

With the Y axis now in the equatorial regions we would expect to see coronal holes 180 degrees apart (at higher energies) and sunspots at lower latitudes, as it is now sunspot maximum. As the Y axis continues to rotate coronal holes will reappear at the Sun's poles and the magnetic field structure will become more dipolar. It is during this period of the cycle i.e. sunspot minimum, that a plasma torus can form undisturbed, as the main current flow has shifted away from the equatorial regions back to the polar regions.

Regards,
Robert

[Corpuscles]

Dear Solar!

After a long self imposed absence (from posting here) I feel compelled to congratulate you on a truly brilliant thread!

I note our cyberspace friend 'Kiwi' brought to our remembrance JungleLord (Dean) and even StephenR turned up to comment in the thread!

Whilst you have taken the most gentlemanly, softly ,softly approach , I feel this forum and it's underlying incomplete EU theories have lacked someone to put the Aether, and the outstanding work of the scientific giants of the past like Tesla who's work fundamentally rested on such concept.... front and centre into the discussion !

Oh! JL we miss those bold brash contentious bursts of inspiration!

I think Bob Johnsons EU talk (a few years ago) ought have been a MAJOR reality check and course changer in the EU theory promoted here (Thornhill, Scott Talbott et al). Simply attempting to explain our universe in basic EE terms of mysterious not understood ions and electrons ...simply is inadequate!

It is clear to me from years of reading that at least Wal Thornhill clearly acknowledges the "universal medium" but for some reason shys away from building around the fundamental "stuff".

Crikey, even Einstein in his Leiden Lecture 1921 acknowledged it

"According to the general theory of relativity space without ether is unthinkable; for in such space there not only would be no propagation of light, but also no possibility of existence for standards of space and time (measuring-rods and clocks), nor therefore any space-time intervals in the physical sense. But this ether may not be thought of as endowed with the quality characteristic of ponderable media, as consisting of parts which may be tracked through time.

"The idea of motion may not be applied to it."

To those budding keen Thunderbolts EU would be evangelists that I see floating around and appearing in forums in cyberspace


First GET THIS (what Solar said):

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To me, as demonstrated with the Superluminal Waves video, it is THIS “medium” that is being Pulsed by Stars providing the illusion of “action-at-a-distance”, and it is This “field” that is ‘absorbed’ and interconverted into “kinetic energy” by all “particles” as “charge” as well as being configured to their internal motions.

Nonetheless you get to decide. Though some things are stated as fact these are thoughts for consideration extrapolating on experiments long ago demonstrated by Tesla/Ampere with contributions from a great many others obviously.

It is my opinion that a “universal medium” is desperately needed in the Continuum that this Universe must surely be and all EM Phenomena garner their puissance from such a medium. The ‘haze’ of EM Phenomena has become a miasma preventing the eyes from seeing what is there. Once the noise, (and it is a type of noise relative to the harmonic nodes of the ‘background’), of EM Phenomena is “suppressed”, just as Tesla sought to do, just as in the Superluminal Video the Presence of ‘Something’ – the magnitude of which is able to oscillate, or reverberate - is revealed.

This is the vantage point from which I view some of these phenomena and the variety of theories that accompany them. It is only through consideration of a “universal medium” that “cascades” into a multiplicity of ‘’objects’, ‘phases’ and phenomena that the whole of EM Theory progressed in the first place. Sure, the focus has been on Aetherometry, Eric P. Dollard, some Konstantin Meyl, and Electric Universe (*the concept*). Tesla’s work and concepts heavily influences the experimental foundations of first three therefore they MUST infuse the conceptual basis of the last regardless of who is positioning an EU hypothesis of any kind imho.

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PS Oh Lloyd, Upriver, (and Charles Chandler -if you read this) .... NO! Solar is not talking secret choir speak, just being a gentleman and accepting your right to choose after examining his material!

You can amass a website of all the alternative theories and speculations you like but if you leave out the aether... they are worthless!

PSS Charles, I left here because I lost the plot and was rude to you. You will not remember but I do offer my sincere apology for that!

[Corpuscles]

Hi

Why do I care enough to post.

Well there are a lot of young minds that visit here. Some of you I hope will vigorously pursue a Physics or Electric Engineering career. I am now too old to make any major difference ;-(

What Tesla DID pretty much confirmed his grasp on the generality we call electricity.

He said

"That electrical energy can be economically transmitted without wires to any terrestrial distance, I have unmistakably established in numerous observations, experiments and measurements, qualitative and quantitative. These have demonstrated that it is practicable to distribute power from a central plant in unlimited amounts, with a loss not exceeding a small fraction of one per cent, in the transmission, even to the greatest distance, twelve thousand miles — to the opposite end of the globe." — Nikola Tesla

Some of you young people need to prove it again! He did it in the Victorian era of fledgling industrial world of wood and brass and cast steel.

Yes he did say some seemingly outrageous statements:

"THE HERTZ WAVE THEORY OF WIRELESS TRANSMISSION MAY BE
KEPT UP FOR A WHILE, BUT I DO NOT HESITATE TO SAY THAT
IN A SHORT TIME IT WILL BE RECOGNIZED AS ONE OF THE MOST
REMARKABLE AND INEXPLICABLE ABERRATIONS OF THE SCIENTIFIC
MIND WHICH HAS EVER BEEN RECORDED IN HISTORY." - Nikola Tesla

That short time .. has been too long...!!!

Whilst I may not agree, with everything this site says it is interesting to consider in the context of this thread:

One of the things we will find is that Hertz or transverse electromagnetic waves are strictly mass waves in a charged mass particle medium.
For example, transverse EM waves do not, and CAN not, exist in vacuum. Vacuum EM waves are longitudinal waves of compression and rarefaction. What is compressed and rarified is the virtual particle flux that comprises vacuum itself. Vacuum EM waves in this virtual flux are just like sound waves in air -- in the flux of molecules and atoms that comprise the atmospheric gas.
Nikola Tesla, of course, knew this and he frequently pointed out the falsity of the accepted transverse wave theory

http://www.cheniere.org/books/part4/s04.htm

Cheers and bye for now (maybe long time)
Steve

[seasmith]

Robertus Maximus wrote:
As the Y axis continues to rotate coronal holes will reappear at the Sun's poles and the magnetic field structure will become more dipolar. It is during this period of the cycle i.e. sunspot minimum, that a plasma torus can form undisturbed, as the main current flow has shifted away from the equatorial regions back to the polar regions.

~ Scaling down, a Venusian analog ?

Toroidal and poloidal magnetic fields at Venus
A different magnetic field topology (toroidal and poloidal) arises if the induced currents are driven either by xxx motional electric field or by the [local?] Faraday electric field...
The conditions at low solar EUV flux when the ionosphere of Venus becomes magnetized seem to be favorable to distinguish between two different types of the induced fields. We present cases of both types of the magnetic field topology.
The cases when the effects of the Faraday induction become well noticeable are especially interesting since they provide us with an example of solar wind interaction with a tiny induced dipole field immersed into the ionosphere.
Another interesting case when poloidal magnetic fields are evidently displayed is observed
when the IMF vector is almost aligned with the solar wind velocity. In general case, both mechanisms of induction probably complement each other.

http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2013P%26SS...87...19D

[Robertus Maximus]

~ Scaling down, a Venusian analog ?

http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2013P%26SS...87...19D

Excellent analogy, emphasised point is interesting.

As plasma phenomena are scaleable this is what we see with the Sun. The Sun being a charged rotating body would exhibit a dipolar field, at times this field is complemented (sunspot minimum) at other times it is overwhelmed (sunspot maximum) by a field the origin of which I believe lies in rotating currents lying ultimately beyond the heliosphere.

As the authors note ‘We interpret these as the manifestation of two different types of generation mechanisms…’ (my emphasis), hence Alfven and Juergens circuits.

Regards,
Robert