Smaller and smaller particles...?

[terrykali]

Elements were smashed into atoms - atoms into protons,nutrons & electrons - protons were then smashed into quarks and so on....
Has anyone ever thought that these smaller & smaller particles do not exist as "building-blocks" until created by smashing them ?
In other words; you can continue ad infinitum breaking down a particle and always finding newer and smaller ones - that do not entrinsically exist until you have smashed it's "parent" into something smaller.

[earls]

Yes sir, you got that right.

However, there "should" be a particle that is basically the "fabric" of spacetime that contains all relevant the "information" (forces) of the Universe. This has so been dubbed the "Higgs Boson" or "God particle" from which all others are derived.

There are only three constituent parts to the Universe... "Positive" (up), "Negative" (down), and "Neutral" (flat). Of course, you have these in three dimensions, so there's nine possible configurations of positions. Each of these positions can hold any arbitrary value between Neutral and an upper limit... Which is currently defined as the speed of light (the Universal constant). As in, the particle (wave) can't grow larger or rise higher/lower than the speed of light divided by 2, because it has to rise/sink and return to its original position within the defined amount of time (speed) of the constant.

All particle "sizes" are arbitrary... As I mentioned, you can have a particle of ANY size (to the upper limit), it just so happens that we have defined and study certain particle sizes based on the stability of their (previously mentioned) nine wave configurations. At our specific spot (Earth/Solar system) in the Universe, we have the baseline stability of what we call "atoms" which are made up of measured values of negative/positive/neutral particles. It just so happens when we smash those particular baseline particle values together they result in smaller specific values... Values of which can be predicted by wave mechanics... But unfortunately, we're currently stuck in the elementary billiard ball particle paradigm from last century - which explains why we keep smashing "particles" (rocks) together like cavemen.

Feel free to inquire further, I've much enjoyed sharing this.

[seasmith]

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Yup

[Solar]

... unfortunately, we're currently stuck in the elementary billiard ball particle paradigm from last century - which explains why we keep smashing "particles" (rocks) together like cavemen.

That strikes me as profoundly accurate.

[cbc]

I'll bet their is someone planning the next generation LHC,

This is one of the best threads ever....


Rocks smashing Rocks ----> Cavemen

Comedy, Pathetic really, what a waste of " Energy" and MONEY.

Getting rich, power and prestige for breaking things....

When the higgs boson is not discovered how many trillions will they spend .....

Gravity waves non-finding is a Positive result anyone!


HELP
My brain is going to explode.

[chirock]

Although the subject is very metaphysical (but is not the subject of foolons, wackons, etc. more close to metaphysics than physics, multi-zillion dollar "toys" to the contrary notwithstanding?), try books on a metaphysical concept called "Sub-Quantum Kinetics" by Dr. Paul LaViolette. He has a "lay" book out called "Genesis of the Cosmos" and another more "scientific" book out called "Sub-Quantum Kinetics". Dr. LaViolette is one of fewer than 100 General Systemicists in the world. Even though I am 60, by the time I am 70, I hope to have the GS Ph.D. as well.

But again, these are currently metaphysical, not physical, but it does not mean we will not eventually develop the technology to measure an explore what is at the "sub-quantum" level. I believe we eventually will.

And if you think about it, any universe being a "bubble" in the sub-quantum ether can be electric, and in fact, probably is.

So, stop breaking your brains on all of this and get a metaphysical take on it. You can then see the possibilities in our current "physics" and where we really need to go. (Like perhaps something so simple all the "toys" just obscure it; will we ever learn?)

I mention all of this, because I believe that at some level we will start to see the metaphysical as also physical and vice-versa, IF so-called "ancient" civilizations have not been there before us and if they have, we can treat what they say with respect and perhaps even LEARN SOMETHING. This then will be the beginning of the solution to where we have been, where we are, and where we are going, and perhaps lead us to a true open cosmology, and out of the damned "Crystaline Sphere" we are again stuck in because of "Big-Bang" "Cosmology".

TS

[GaryN]

I think I have discovered what is inside a sub-sub-sub quark! No rock smashing required.

http://astro.uchicago.edu/~grodnick/gallery/iotw/m2.jpg

It IS all about scale, isn't it?

[Sovereign]

Has anyone ever thought that these smaller & smaller particles do not exist as "building-blocks" until created by smashing them ?

How would a particle be created? Like how could something go from 0 dimensions to 3 dimensions?

[junglelord]

No such thing as a particle. The wave/particle duality is due to the observation of distributed charge.

[mnemeth1]

There must be an "aether" for waves to propogate through.

What we observe as particles and matter could actually be standing waves of energy formed out of this "aether".

So when we smash matter in particle accelerators, we are really taking two standing wave packets of energy and slamming them into each other which in turn produces ripples of energy at smaller scales that we observe as quarks.

I think there has to be some kind of an aether in order to tie the physics of particle creation and propogation back to some form of reality.

From this you can get the creation of new matter in free space out of the vacuum, which is a requirement to explain how electrons can come into existence in an electric universe model. This would explain where the deep space currents originate from that power the galaxies. The electrons simply come into existence in deep space out of the aether and are then drawn together into birkeland currents by the electromagnetic force.

Since magnetic fields are infinite, an electron coming into existence at any point in deep space would naturally be drawn toward the closest and strongest field (the nearest birkeland current).

[GaryN]

Hi mnemeth1,

First you need to look at Poincare invariants, and when you understand that, you can begin on the vacuon math. Good luck.

http://www22.pair.com/csdc/pdf/helical6.pdf

[Ronanov]

"Great fleas have little fleas upon their backs to bite 'em,
And little fleas have lesser fleas, and so ad infinitum.
And the great fleas themselves, in turn, have greater fleas to go on,
While these again have greater still, and greater still, and so on."

[StevenO]

What the 'high-energy' physicists are actually doing in their particle smashers is imitating cosmic rays. Cosmic rays are basically 'anti-matter' atoms returning to 'regular' matter atom status. That takes some intermediate stages with semi-stable particles, twists, twirls and rays. The colliders are thus probing the boundary between regular and anti-matter. A source of great confusion since so many things are not what they seem.