The Aether Theory of Relativity

Beyond the boundaries of established science an avalanche of exotic ideas compete for our attention. Experts tell us that these ideas should not be permitted to take up the time of working scientists, and for the most part they are surely correct. But what about the gems in the rubble pile? By what ground-rules might we bring extraordinary new possibilities to light?

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Re: The Aether Theory of Relativity

Post by marengo » Thu Oct 17, 2013 7:07 am

Michael V wrote:Yet again you demonstrate your faithful belief in relativistic effects (presumable stemming from Lorentzian Relativity, rather than Einsteinian - further betrayed by the dubious reasoning applied to supposed atomic length contraction). Yet you make no postulates with regard to light-signal observation (in the manner of Einstein). Also, in your description of your electric field, which I presume in your theory to be in some way linked to light-signals, you use the Lorentz transform with no justification. The implication being that you failed to postulate the behaviour of "signals", instead relying of the word "Relativity" to convey those a priori beliefs to the reader as proven facts.
I could not let this pass.
My belief in relativistic effects stem from the many observations of them.
My theory is not linked to light signals. I cannot see where you got that from.
You say that I have no justification for using the Lorentz Transforms. I am afraid that I take that to be libellious. The justification is both in my papers and in the pdf of my booklet.
I am afraid that you have now left scientific criticism and are now descending into unpleasantness.
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Re: The Aether Theory of Relativity

Post by Aardwolf » Thu Oct 17, 2013 7:11 am

marengo wrote:Personally I believe that people refuse to believe in relativity effects simply because Einstein's theory makes such a hash of predicting them.
No. It's because after 100 years no one has provided any evidence to support the effects.

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Re: The Aether Theory of Relativity

Post by Aardwolf » Thu Oct 17, 2013 7:14 am

marengo wrote:My belief in relativistic effects stem from the many observations of them.
You mean from the many observations of other people talking about them and saying they are true.

No one has observed time dilation or length contraction.

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Re: The Aether Theory of Relativity

Post by marengo » Thu Oct 17, 2013 8:27 am

Aardwolf wrote:You mean from the many observations of other people talking about them and saying they are true.

No one has observed time dilation or length contraction.
I know this is a waste of time but what about the heavy atoms.
The electron shells radii depend upon relativistic effects because the inner electrons are moving at an appreciable fraction of the speed of light. Thus the e/m emission wavelengths would be different to that observed if those relativistic effects were not there.
Of course this is merely a fact. I dont expect you to take any notice of it.
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Re: The Aether Theory of Relativity

Post by Aardwolf » Thu Oct 17, 2013 8:56 am

marengo wrote:
Aardwolf wrote:You mean from the many observations of other people talking about them and saying they are true.

No one has observed time dilation or length contraction.
I know this is a waste of time but what about the heavy atoms.
The electron shells radii depend upon relativistic effects because the inner electrons are moving at an appreciable fraction of the speed of light.
And how/where is this observed/measured?
marengo wrote:Thus the e/m emission wavelengths would be different to that observed if those relativistic effects were not there.
You mean you're assuming they would be different while also assuming the stucture of an electron and assuming how it should behave.
marengo wrote:Of course this is merely a fact. I dont expect you to take any notice of it.
There you go again, trying to promote theoretical assumption as facts.

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Re: The Aether Theory of Relativity

Post by viscount aero » Thu Oct 17, 2013 9:03 am

Michael V wrote:quick note to everybody:

its' AETHEREAL with an "e", not aetherial with an "i"

my sensibilities can take only so much


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My bad, thanks. It is aethereal. Aetherial was a valid spelling but is considered obsolete today.

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Re: The Aether Theory of Relativity

Post by Michael V » Thu Oct 17, 2013 9:08 am

marengo,
marengo wrote:The justification is both in my papers and in the pdf of my booklet.
If that is indeed the case I will have no qualms in offering a suitable apology.

However, I have so far had no luck in locating the pertinent text. Would you please point me to the page and line numbers in the appropriate documents.


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Re: The Aether Theory of Relativity

Post by viscount aero » Thu Oct 17, 2013 9:36 am

marengo wrote:
viscount aero wrote:Aether isn't solid whatsoever. It may behave as one but it is not a solid. It is aetherial--hence the name.
marengo wrote:My postulate states that it is solid.
How is that scientific? Where is this postulate? What does it say?
marengo wrote:Therefore for my theory it is solid.
That is tautological/circular logic.
marengo wrote:My theory makes the correct predictions of relativity. Hence the postulates must be correct. Hence the Aether is solid.
What if relativity is incorrect in part, if not in whole?
marengo wrote:If you wish to postulate that the Aether is aetherial (what ever that means) then you need to build a theory upon that postulate which will be a step forward in physics. if you cant do that then I suggest you forget the word aetherial.
Word choice is everything in a theory. Otherwise how can you discuss it properly? You claim that something that is atmospheric/non-solid--the aether--is now a "solid" state of existence. Are all fields, then, solid? I mean "field' in a physics context.
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Re: The Aether Theory of Relativity

Post by Michael V » Thu Oct 17, 2013 9:40 am

viscount aero,
viscount aero wrote:My bad, thanks. It is aethereal. Aetherial was a valid spelling but is considered obsolete today.
Spell it anyway you like mate, I was just being silly in hope of lightening the mood. Although it should be spelt with an "e".....just sayin'.


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Re: The Aether Theory of Relativity

Post by viscount aero » Thu Oct 17, 2013 9:44 am

Michael V wrote:viscount aero,
viscount aero wrote:My bad, thanks. It is aethereal. Aetherial was a valid spelling but is considered obsolete today.
Spell it anyway you like mate, I was just being silly in hope of lightening the mood. Although it should be spelt with an "e".....just sayin'.


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No, it's all good. I'm a stickler for word usage and here I go misspelling a vital word! LOL :oops: :lol:

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Re: The Aether Theory of Relativity

Post by kevin » Thu Oct 17, 2013 10:15 am

Michael V wrote:kevin,
kevin wrote:In this electric universe I propose that no-thing is moving, that the aether is a fixed solid.
That the memory surrounding so called real bodies is displacing upon the fixed aether, enabled to do so by the dual of spin universal electric potential.
The illusion to ourselves been part of that memory of Earth is of movement, but that it is illusion.

That at all scale all so called real bodies are actually composed within their memory torroidal bubbles, and that no-thing actually exists except within it's unique memory.
The duality of opposite spin flows in torroidal fashion centred about the heart centre, thus polarity and equator are formed at all scale.

No-thing is seperate except as been within it's own memory field.
You are assuming seperateness, I am not.
Your assessment of the nature of the universe is the complete opposite of my own, and, more importantly, is the complete opposite of the data provided by our senses and thus of our internal visualisations of the world. The world and the cosmos and the very thoughts that provide us with sentience tell us that motion is real.
So I repeat my objection to your approach/conclusion. If the moving universe of our senses and the very nature of our thoughts, is so utterly and completely opposite to reality, the reality you describe, then what justification can you provide yourself regarding the accuracy of your conclusions. If the universe is the solid delusion that you imagine, then the concepts of torroidal, bubbles, spin, flows, heart, centre, polarity, equator, Earth and "ourselves" are all a complete and utter delusion from which no meaningful models can be constructed and no meaningful conclusions can be extracted.

Effectively you are stationary in a room with all your senses obscured and from this complete lack of information, you proceed to give a detailed description of the pictures on the wall. All despite the fact, that by your theoretical premise, you have not even the slightest clue of what the pictures look like or even what a picture is, let alone what a wall is. If the universe is really so totally, completely and utterly nothing like we imagine in very single possible way, which is what you are suggesting, then we have absolutely no tools whatsoever in determining its true nature. Let alone being able to have any confidence at all in what ever conclusions we are able to make.

All that said, your lunacy of invention describes a well thought out model/scenario and is certainly the result of prolonged contemplation. And so, I am curious, not so much in your theory (sorry about that), but rather how you find confidence of conclusion from a model so defined as to remove any possible link between what we can know through sensory data and internal cognitive visualisation (i.e. thoughts) and the nature of the reality you describe. By contrast, I would suggest that from our sensory data and more precisely from our cognitive sentience (since all sensory data is definitionally the result of neural interpretation processing), one of the few things that we can have full confidence in is motion. I would further suggest that within your model is a great deal of motion, but that you instead choose to describe it differently: "memory", "electric". In this I must reveal my struggle with your distinction between "nothing" and "no-thing". One problem being that "no-thing" implies the validity of the concept of "things", and thus destroys your argument.

I am interested in your thoughts.


Michael
I totally understand Your position, as I too once stood there.
My findings are mine via dowsing,
Here's something to chew upon,
http://www.slideshare.net/johnkhutchiso ... y-26000346

To comprehend oneself as holographic, is very difficult, and to further comprehend all You thought of as solid....is not.

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Re: The Aether Theory of Relativity

Post by marengo » Thu Oct 17, 2013 12:45 pm

Aardwolf wrote:You mean you're assuming they would be different while also assuming the stucture of an electron and assuming how it should behave.
Dont you believe that electrons orbit the nucleus in specific shells?
Any way I had another thought. The Large Hadron collider fires protons at a target at an energy of 7 teravolts. Without relativistic mass effect it would only get to 1/15000 of that. Work out the figures for yourself.
So according to you the LHC cant get to 7teravolts. But we mustn't let your beliefs be damaged by facts, must we?
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Re: The Aether Theory of Relativity

Post by marengo » Thu Oct 17, 2013 12:54 pm

viscount aero wrote:marengo wrote:
My postulate states that it is solid.
How is that scientific? Where is this postulate? What does it say?
My postulates are the properties of the Aether given in my Intro paper. Dont tell me you haven't read it yet.
It says the Aether is a solid matrix etc.

Read my previous post to understand the logic of the verification of the postulates. There is no point me posting if you are going to ignore the important bits.
Frankly, if you cant understand my posts I suggest you give up trying.
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Re: The Aether Theory of Relativity

Post by marengo » Thu Oct 17, 2013 12:58 pm

Michael V wrote:If that is indeed the case I will have no qualms in offering a suitable apology.

However, I have so far had no luck in locating the pertinent text. Would you please point me to the page and line numbers in the appropriate documents.
Try reading appendices 1 to 3 in the pdf of my booklet. It is not hard to find.
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Re: The Aether Theory of Relativity

Post by kevin » Thu Oct 17, 2013 1:23 pm

marengo wrote:
Michael V wrote:If that is indeed the case I will have no qualms in offering a suitable apology.

However, I have so far had no luck in locating the pertinent text. Would you please point me to the page and line numbers in the appropriate documents.
Try reading appendices 1 to 3 in the pdf of my booklet. It is not hard to find.
http://aetherpages.com/intro.htm

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