What is gravity, the electric and magnetic fields?

[junglelord]

Soliton gases or plasma forms...orbs of intelligence. Nice!
Naw, I get it all quite well thanks.
But hey, I love to talk about this with those that have the grasp.
What ever you can talk about, pre-publication, I am interested.

[StevenO]

First, what is given here is based on direct observations and verified physical experiments. This is probably very different from anything you have ever seen before, so take it a step at a time. NONE of what follows is at all theoretical. Please read it carefully. We support all our expressions empirically.
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Again, none of this is theory or conjecture. All these expressions are based on reproducibly observable facts.

Best Wishes,

Dr. Boyd

I had a little trouble following most of the text. Maybe you could help me, for instance by explaining :

Quantum Potential directly affects permeability and permitivity of free space via hyper-dimensional magnetic fields related to sub quantum vortices. As gravity is a gradient of the combination of these space properties, it has to be controlled by hyper-dimensional Informational components, inherent in the sub quantum, via the Quantum Potential.

What is Quantum Potential? How did you measure it?
Same question for "hyper-dimensional magnetic fields"
How is a gravity a gradient of the combination of these space properties when gravity is related to matter?

In the first place, so-called "imaginary time", is just that. Imaginary. Time is, in actual fact, caused by infinite velocity aether fluxes (Kozyrev). Also, as we have previously mentioned, the primary cause of gravitation is the infinite velocity variety of the aether fluxes, as well. So we see from this, that there is actually a link between time and gravitation, while there is no demonstrable link between time and the speed of light. Thus, time t, should actually be introduced into a Minkowski space (for example) in the form of iVt, where V can represent any velocity up to infinity, since time is actually originally produced by propagations of infinite velocity SubQuantum infinitesimals. (This kind of construction is, of course, assuming that we can fully and physically justify, our reliance on such abstract mathematical fabrications.) Now we have arrived at an appropriately non-local basis for relativity theory!

What proof do you have of the infinite velocity of aether fluxes? And of infinite velocity SQ "infinitesimals"?
How do you come to the conclusion that there is no demonstratable link between time and the speed of light, since the speed of light is an expression of a fixed relation between space and time?
How can infinite velocity time produce time at an arbitrary speed as the article suggests?

In this model, the electron is never treated as a point-like particle. (Experiment and observation have demonstrated that the electron has a finite and measurable extent, unfortunately for existing quantum theory.)

How do you relate that to the following article that shows the electron is < 10^-22 m?
http://www.iop.org/EJ/abstract/1402-4896/1988/T22/016/

Thanks in advance,
Steven

[junglelord]

What proof do you have of the infinite velocity of aether fluxes? And of infinite velocity SQ "infinitesimals"?
How do you come to the conclusion that there is no demonstratable link between time and the speed of light, since the speed of light is an expression of a fixed relation between space and time?
How can infinite velocity time produce time at an arbitrary speed as the article suggests?

Thats easy. Its clear in all these different models.
Longitudinal or scalar waves are instant.
The measureable parameters of the quantum constants reveals a system of two spins.
When the 2 spin quantum rmf of aether encapsulates the angular momentum of interger 1/2 spin, the resulting forms are the ratio b/t the two spins. The results being the limitations of plancks constant, compton wavelength, c.
However the zero point back ground asymmetrical harmonic code is just as important.

Quantum Potential directly affects permeability and permitivity of free space via hyper-dimensional magnetic fields related to sub quantum vortices. As gravity is a gradient of the combination of these space properties, it has to be controlled by hyper-dimensional Informational components, inherent in the sub quantum, via the Quantum Potential.

Well I work from 5 dimensions Klauza/Klein at a minimum.

[Influx]

There is no "space-time". There is no "curved space", nor is there "curved time", nor does the "curved space-time" fantasy have anything to do with Reality. There is, however, mass-time.

More to the point, there is NO time what so ever! Time is a HUMAN invention, a concept we use to keep track of our fleeting existence. Since the universe does not make concepts, then time is irrelevant to the universe, but only relevant to US.

[StevenO]

There is no "space-time". There is no "curved space", nor is there "curved time", nor does the "curved space-time" fantasy have anything to do with Reality. There is, however, mass-time.

More to the point, there is NO time what so ever! Time is a HUMAN invention, a concept we use to keep track of our fleeting existence. Since the universe does not make concepts, then time is irrelevant to the universe, but only relevant to US.

So in your timeless universe, how would anything in it move if it had no time to move?

[Osmosis]

Dr. Boyd is a doctor of--??

[tangointhenight]

There is no "space-time". There is no "curved space", nor is there "curved time", nor does the "curved space-time" fantasy have anything to do with Reality. There is, however, mass-time.

More to the point, there is NO time what so ever! Time is a HUMAN invention, a concept we use to keep track of our fleeting existence. Since the universe does not make concepts, then time is irrelevant to the universe, but only relevant to US.

So in your timeless universe, how would anything in it move if it had no time to move?

If you lived on a planet that had no night just day and you never had to sleep. You wouldn't need time to keep track of your day.
Time is a invention to keep track of our lives.

In reality their is only present, nothing moves forward and nothing moves back. Its a solid state universe when it comes to time.

[altonhare]

There is no "space-time". There is no "curved space", nor is there "curved time", nor does the "curved space-time" fantasy have anything to do with Reality. There is, however, mass-time.

More to the point, there is NO time what so ever! Time is a HUMAN invention, a concept we use to keep track of our fleeting existence. Since the universe does not make concepts, then time is irrelevant to the universe, but only relevant to US.

So in your timeless universe, how would anything in it move if it had no time to move?

To answer this question we have but to define motion.

Motion: Two or more locations of an object.

The definition says nothing about "time".

[Influx]

So in your timeless universe, how would anything in it move if it had no time to move?

And how does a concept enable movement in the universe? Can time be observed? Can it be measured? What are Clocks measuring? Conceptually clocks measure our existence! But in reality clocks measure movement, not time! I guess I agree with Alton on this one.

Time is a measurement of motion; as such, it is a type of relationship. Time applies only within the universe, when you define a standard—such as the motion of the earth around the sun. If you take that as a unit, you can say: “This person has a certain relationship to that motion; he has existed for three revolutions; he is three years old.” But when you get to the universe as a whole, obviously no standard is applicable. You cannot get outside the universe. The universe is eternal in the literal sense: non-temporal, out of time.

Leonard Peikoff, “The Philosophy of Objectivism”


But perhaps you should read this forumhttp://www.thunderbolts.info/forum/phpB ... &sk=t&sd=a. As that seems to be the right place to debate this.

[StevenO]

If you lived on a planet that had no night just day and you never had to sleep. You wouldn't need time to keep track of your day.
Time is a invention to keep track of our lives.

In reality their is only present, nothing moves forward and nothing moves back. Its a solid state universe when it comes to time.

If there is only "present" how would you explain history then?

[StevenO]

So in your timeless universe, how would anything in it move if it had no time to move?

To answer this question we have but to define motion.

Motion: Two or more locations of an object.

The definition says nothing about "time".

You seem to have an odd definition of motion. Motion is expressed in speed, which is a certain length covered in a certain time. These two things are inseparable.

Speed is the rate of motion, or equivalently the rate of change of distance.
Speed is a scalar quantity with dimensions length/time.

[StevenO]

And how does a concept enable movement in the universe? Can time be observed? Can it be measured? What are Clocks measuring? Conceptually clocks measure our existence! But in reality clocks measure movement, not time! I guess I agree with Alton on this one.

Since you state "clocks measure movement" I think we actually agree I also agree that "concepts" are a human thing. Time is a physical thing.

Time is a measurement of motion; as such, it is a type of relationship. Time applies only within the universe, when you define a standard—such as the motion of the earth around the sun. If you take that as a unit, you can say: “This person has a certain relationship to that motion; he has existed for three revolutions; he is three years old.” But when you get to the universe as a whole, obviously no standard is applicable. You cannot get outside the universe. The universe is eternal in the literal sense: non-temporal, out of time.

Indeed: Time is observed from motion. Just like space.

[Influx]

Time is a physical thing.

Indeed: Time is observed from motion. Just like space.

So time is nothing more than our observation and measurement of motion, in relation to us. So in this sense time is nothing more than a description, or a concept of motion.

I agree with you on this! How ever this is only half the story. As we use this motion to measure our existence. So time has a duality to it. For humans it measures our existence, which can only be implemented in a real physical world by measuring motion. That is, we set some repetitive motion as a standard, and then count it to measure our existence. The clock is that standard, as a concept it measures our existence, our lives, as a purely physical thing it measures motion. Makes sense? The problem with the current thoughts on time is that everyone seems to treat the concept of time as a real physical thing. That is, the space time mambo jumbo! That they say can be traveled trough! The universe is just a commotion of matter.

Physical travel trough a concept is simple invalid, such on idea is not rational.

She took a drink from the radio. You can say it, but no matter how much she will try it, there is no way she can drink information! Shes just crazy.

So... similarity are all proponents of time travel, or...any form of time manipulations. They be bonkers

[altonhare]

If you lived on a planet that had no night just day and you never had to sleep. You wouldn't need time to keep track of your day.
Time is a invention to keep track of our lives.

In reality their is only present, nothing moves forward and nothing moves back. Its a solid state universe when it comes to time.

If there is only "present" how would you explain history then?

I don't really understand the question, could you clarify?

You seem to have an odd definition of motion. Motion is expressed in speed, which is a certain length covered in a certain time. These two things are inseparable.

You're defining motion in terms of time, so naturally (by definition) you state that there cannot be any motion without time.

I do not define motion in terms of "time", so naturally I do not state this. My reasons have been stated here and there, and elsewhere, and need not be reiterated in here (where it would be off-topic).

Indeed: Time is observed from motion. Just like space.

You observe time? Could you show it to me so I can observe it for myself?

Since you state "clocks measure movement" I think we actually agree

Personally I've never seen a clock whip out its ruler, abacus, and compass to take a measurement. As far as I can tell a clock just goes tick-tock.

In fact I've never seen an inanimate object measure anything.

I also agree that "concepts" are a human thing. Time is a physical thing.

Just define physical, thing, and concept and you're all set.

[Influx]

Personally I've never seen a clock whip out its ruler, abacus, and compass to take a measurement. As far as I can tell a clock just goes tick-tock.

In fact I've never seen an inanimate object measure anything.

True, but its a tool, that has conceptual information attached to its function, while it is inanimate, it is dynamic. As long as people have a way to keep track ( calender, dates, years) of the agreed upon meaning of its function, we have the concept of time. And it works. While the tick-tock by it self is useless.