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Re: What is gravity, the electric and magnetic fields?

Post by junglelord » Sat May 30, 2009 9:12 pm

I have a degree in electronic technology, so electron flow, hole flow, old school stuff.
When one begins to appreciate organic and inorganic chemistry, we are really coming to terms with some of these ideas.

If an atom has lost an e- to the free energy region and left a hole, it has left a neutral atom which is now a positive ion, would be more correct in my mind after learning organic and inorganic chemistry. I also believe that the Fuller Vector Matrix jitterbug would have electron (distributed standing waves) come and go from the center, not just the valance band. So that when the whole idea of electron motion is batted around, the concept of a central core matrix having the 1/0 possiblity, vs just the valance shell, can be very revealing to the synastasic mind.
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Re: What is gravity, the electric and magnetic fields?

Post by Solar » Sun May 31, 2009 5:27 pm

It appears that the “quantum holes” stem from Dirac “Hole Theory”. Take a look at page 180 of this book “Quantum Chemistry”. If the link doesn’t display the page click on “Relativistic Quantum Chemistry…” (5th link down) on this Google search:

Note the caption under the image. The “Dirac Hamiltonian” wherein the “free electron” crosses the “band gap”. The “vacuum energy” is the greater force, said to be a “Columbic Potential attractive for electrons”. The ‘substantive’ nature of “the vacuum” is posited to exists in the “band gap”. Dirac’s sea of “negative-energy states” (note the plurality of “states” and contrast with Boscovich and Reciprocal Theory “compound motions”). Note also that with Dirac the electrons are “created” from the ‘vacuum potential’ i.e. precipitated/condensed from it to occupy the holes on the fly. But that would appear to break the fundamental law that ‘Energy can neither be created nor destroyed’. But that doesn't discard energy being 'transduced'.

Conjecture: The so called “holes” – “behave like positively-charged particles” - because the negatively charged electron doesn’t just merrily hop across the band gap to thereby producing a ‘flow’ of current. It has to be “attracted” to the “holes” or ”repulsed” from the atom. Therefore, the supposed “holes” are said to ‘behave’ like positive-charged particles.

The principle in the book is the same animated explanation at Quantum Dots (scroll to “Bulk Semiconductors - A Fixed Range of Energies”). Sort of an ‘inverse’ photoelectric effect.

So that Seasmith’s suspicion of “resonant standing waves” would be commensurate with Junglelord’s “free energy region” i.e. “the vacuum”, “Aether”, a standing “Votage Potential”, “sea of virtual particles” et al. - pick your nomenclature. That option is obviously on the superconductivity table in the "band gap" but what is causing them to need it? An “anomalous” factor mentioned earlier occurs with the “Hall Effect”:
We were motivated by the possibility that the large changes in electrical resistivity in response to magnetic fields in some manganese-based oxides might be due to the trapping of electrons by lattice distortions. It was known from early work on semiconductors that such trapped electrons (polarons) would have characteristic Hall signatures in the ordinary Hall effect. This was the case. In the course of that work, we found the anomalous Hall Effect to have characteristics that were not seen before and that we could understand them in the context of quantum mechanical phase effects (Berry's phase). It now appears that this mechanism may underlie the anomalous Hall effect in many cases. – The Hall Effect
An aspect of "Berry’s phase" will take you full circle back to a Hamiltonian relationship as cited earlier via Dirac Hamiltonian. These work with 'systems' and their 'parts'. One aspect of the Hamiltonian considers the “whole system” of kinetic and potential energy i.e. the Continuity of the system as a whole in relation to is parts . It is the “potential” that is the “vacuum”. Thus Dirac says that ‘there is no vacuum’. The “permittivity of free space” as “potential”, Alpha – the fine structure constant ‘conducted’ to form a local ‘resonant quantum electrostatic-like standing wave’ integral to the whole system and from which parts of the system may draw. Perhaps in relation to the concept of maintaing equilibrium in relation to the concept of “Potential Difference”.

In Aetherometry something along the following occurs: Electrons bound by the speed limit c, ‘catalyze’ the ‘wave frequency’/”wave speed” of that ‘standing wave potential’ resulting in an Aetherometrically expressed “energy sweep” via ‘wave coupling’. This energy is quickly transduced (convert energy from one form to another) into ‘longitudinal acceleration’ (“kinetic energy sweep”) and the ‘absorption’ of that “potential” assumes the ‘electromagnetic structure’ of the electron.

I wonder if there could also be ionization from air molecules to account for the electrons in the conduction band. Not just those leaving “holes” in covalent bonds. So, I would put the experiment in the best vacuum available under super cold conditions and see if the results were close enough to provide more confidence in the Dirac Hole hypothesis.

Nevertheless, in reference to these “holes” they are speaking of ‘conductance’ from the ‘vacuum potential’ without providing the background of Dirac’s “Hole Theory”. That would apparently confirm the inkling we were having Seasmith, as culled by JL's "free energy region" aka "band gap". If anyone has other corrective or complementary information; that would be great.
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Re: What is gravity, the electric and magnetic fields?

Post by Influx » Mon Jun 01, 2009 3:22 am

Holes are a positive charge carriers with negative mass flowing opposite electrons? :shock: Sounds fishy, but could the casimir force be involved? After all these holes could exclude any wavelength that are longer (larger?) than the holes. And being that the holes are small (electron size?), this would create a pretty strong negative energy well? Hmmm...And if the hole move...perhaps they could do work. Think about it, while the holes themselves could not "leave" the wire, what would happen to the negative energy well, when the hole reaches the end of the wire? Maybe the "cold electricity" crack pots aren't so crack potty after all. :D Just a thought.
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Re: What is gravity, the electric and magnetic fields?

Post by webolife » Mon Jun 01, 2009 9:42 am

Electron flow and hole flow are oppositely directed vectors.
Neither the electrons nor the holes actually flow anywhere.
Say it ain't so.
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Re: What is gravity, the electric and magnetic fields?

Post by altonhare » Mon Jun 01, 2009 10:06 am

webolife wrote:Electron flow and hole flow are oppositely directed vectors.
Neither the electrons nor the holes actually flow anywhere.
Say it ain't so.
What kind of vectors? Force vectors, velocity vectors, etc.? Both of these are dynamic concepts, they explicitly invoke motion, so there must certainly be *something* moving somewhere, else contrahyp.
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Re: What is gravity, the electric and magnetic fields?

Post by webolife » Mon Jun 01, 2009 11:26 am

In terms of vectors, how would you describe Newton's cradle?
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Re: What is gravity, the electric and magnetic fields?

Post by Influx » Mon Jun 01, 2009 12:32 pm

webolife wrote:Neither the electrons nor the holes actually flow anywhere.


You may be right, but not for the reasons you think, the actual electron flow is very, very slow!

http://amasci.com/miscon/speed.html
Inside the wires, the "something" moves very, very slowly, almost as slowly as the minute hand on a clock. Electric current is like a flow of syrup. Even maple syrup moves too fast, so that's not a good analogy. Electric charges flow as slowly as a river of warm putty. And in AC circuits, it doesn't move forward at all, instead it sits in one place and vibrates. Energy can flow fast in an electric circuit because metals are already filled with this "putty." If you push on one end of a column of putty, the far end moves almost instantly. Energy flows fast, yet an electric current is a very slow flow.

So while the the transmission of the "signal" is at the speed of light ( some claim it is instantaneous, the the speed of light is just a lag in our sensors) the electrons them self are slow. When scientist talk about electron flow, in my mind I always assumed that they mean the "signal" that produces the effect "work".

In metals, electric current is a flow of electrons. Many books claim that these electrons flow at the speed of light. This is incorrect. Electrons actually flow quite slowly, at speeds on the order of centimeters per minute. And in AC circuits the electrons don't really flow at all, instead they sit in place and vibrate. It's the energy in the circuit which flows fast, not the electrons.

Metals are always full of movable electrons. In a simple circuit, all of the wires are totally packed full of electrons all the time. And when a battery or generator pumps the electrons at one point in the circuit, electrons in the entire loop of the circuit are forced to flow, and energy spreads almost instantly throughout the entire circuit. This happens even though the electrons move very slowly.

http://amasci.com/miscon/eleca.html#light

If electrons actually flowed at the speed of light , that would be quite a bang! :D
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Re: What is gravity, the electric and magnetic fields?

Post by webolife » Mon Jun 01, 2009 1:23 pm

I quite agree with your entire statement,
except for the assumption of light speed!
I sup at the instantaneous table.
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Re: What is gravity, the electric and magnetic fields?

Post by Influx » Mon Jun 01, 2009 1:35 pm

What does this all mean? Even if electrons "flowed" at the speed of light, what happens inside a CPU, oscillating at 3 GHZ?

The speed of light is one foot per nanosecond, so if we use a one GHZ (GHZ=billion of a second, a nanosecond) CPU, the electron would wiggle back and forth only one foot!? A 3 ghz CPU? A third of a foot? However this is assuming that electron flow inside the CPU is at the speed of light. But what if the article in the above post is true? And it most likely is. The electrons wouldn't flow at all, they would just sit and vibrate!? How would the semiconductors work then? :shock: :? No electron flow= no hole flow. Semiconductors are just that, little holes that guide electrons! But if electrons don't flow, as it would seem, then what the heck is going on? What exactly is the transistor switching? Vibration? Maybe the transistor is more like a variable resister. Like a volume control? :? Volume control for what! EM!? ;) The electron is just the medium for em waves, so the CPU is like a maze of waveguides!? Jeez.
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Re: What is gravity, the electric and magnetic fields?

Post by webolife » Mon Jun 01, 2009 1:57 pm

As I asked Altonhare elsewhere, how do you view Newton's cradle?
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Re: What is gravity, the electric and magnetic fields?

Post by Influx » Mon Jun 01, 2009 2:14 pm

If your asking me, I view it as a demonstration of transfer of kinetic energy. Which about Altonhare called me out and said that I was wrong! Because I claimed a transfer of a concept! But apparently he was unable to see the difference between human concepts that describe matter, or the actual states of matter, which to my mind has nothing to do with our concepts.

From "What is time?" thread.
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Altonhare said "In science, we don't transfer concepts like love, time, and kinetic energy. In science I toss a basketball to you, but I cannot toss my height to you. It is irrational and nonsensical to talk about the transfer of concepts."
Oh really, kinetic energy is a concept? I thought it was a state of matter. :shock: Methinks you are wrong! :D I can transfer kinetic energy simple and easily!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOuOt4QYM18
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Altonhare said, "You can transfer motion!? Could you show me this process? I have never seen 'a' motion move from here to there."
Again, we are talking about states of matter here, not some abstract concept. Are we a concept? Object A hits object B, object A stops while object B moves. The kinetic energy, defined here as energy of movement, is transferred from A to B. The state of object A becomes the state of object B hence the energy of movement was transferred.

A concept is a human invention, if we become extinct, the universe will go on, and changes in the state of matter will go on, collision will go on, and movement, inertia and motion all will keep being transferred, transformed from body to another body for eternity to come...


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Re: What is gravity, the electric and magnetic fields?

Post by Solar » Mon Jun 01, 2009 2:17 pm

webolife wrote:As I asked Altonhare elsewhere, how do you view Newton's cradle?
It is a device that demonstrates the transference of longitudinal force via 'moments' of continuity with no structural component to transduce the longitudinal force into transverse force.

Perhaps the structure from which the spheres hang is dampening any would be transverse activity.
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Re: What is gravity, the electric and magnetic fields?

Post by StevenO » Mon Jun 01, 2009 2:19 pm

Influx wrote:What does this all mean? Even if electrons "flowed" at the speed of light, what happens inside a CPU, oscillating at 3 GHZ?

The speed of light is one foot per nanosecond, so if we use a one GHZ (GHZ=billion of a second, a nanosecond) CPU, the electron would wiggle back and forth only one foot!? A 3 ghz CPU? A third of a foot? However this is assuming that electron flow inside the CPU is at the speed of light. But what if the article in the above post is true? And it most likely is. The electrons wouldn't flow at all, they would just sit and vibrate!? How would the semiconductors work then? :shock: :? No electron flow= no hole flow. Semiconductors are just that, little holes that guide electrons! But if electrons don't flow, as it would seem, then what the heck is going on? What exactly is the transistor switching? Vibration? Maybe the transistor is more like a variable resister. Like a volume control? :? Volume control for what! EM!? ;) The electron is just the medium for em waves, so the CPU is like a maze of waveguides!? Jeez.
To throw in another pet unified theory ( :) ):

A current (in a conductor) is actually a "flow" of uncharged electrons at lightspeed, very simular to the motion of light but then inside matter. A charged electron is quite a different beast that can also move through space, hence the cause of 'static' electricity, thunderbolts or plasma's. An electron gets charged by capturing a photon. A photon always has a frequency and that connects the electron with the EM radiation field. The charged electron is slow, leading to these very slow 'pseudo-speeds'. The electric potential is the balance between the charged and uncharged electrons.

Every electron has a wave function, these wave functions can add up to whatever wave you want, that's why you do not literally have to move electrons around the CPU at 3 GHz, just line up their wave functions and energy flows in the form of a phase coupling.
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Re: What is gravity, the electric and magnetic fields?

Post by Influx » Mon Jun 01, 2009 2:29 pm

StevenO wrote:Every electron has a wave function, these wave functions can add up to whatever wave you want, that's why you do not literally have to move electrons around the CPU at 3 GHz, just line up their wave functions and energy flows in the form of a phase coupling.
Or it could be good old fashioned electrostatic repulsion! Maybe electrons are like balls in a newtons cradle ;). Except no physical contact is needed, the electrons use their repulsor field :lol: their E charge!
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Re: What is gravity, the electric and magnetic fields?

Post by StevenO » Mon Jun 01, 2009 3:22 pm

Influx wrote:
StevenO wrote:Every electron has a wave function, these wave functions can add up to whatever wave you want, that's why you do not literally have to move electrons around the CPU at 3 GHz, just line up their wave functions and energy flows in the form of a phase coupling.
Or it could be good old fashioned electrostatic repulsion! Maybe electrons are like balls in a newtons cradle ;). Except no physical contact is needed, the electrons use their repulsor field :lol: their E charge!
Actually it could be a good visualization, if you imagine the phase coupling as the electron's shadow (shockwave) moving faster than lightspeed. The product of this shadow speed and the actual speed of the balls is always equal to c^2. The greater the phase coupling the slower the actual balls.
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