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Beyond the boundaries of established science an avalanche of exotic ideas compete for our attention. Experts tell us that these ideas should not be permitted to take up the time of working scientists, and for the most part they are surely correct. But what about the gems in the rubble pile? By what ground-rules might we bring extraordinary new possibilities to light?

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Re: Why an ether/aether?

Post by junglelord » Wed Nov 26, 2008 5:11 pm

It seems I am not allowed to agree with Valhalla, my post disappered.
:?

I contacted the three top Biotensegrity experts with the revelation that APM made matter via Tensegrity.
They concurred as did Dave Thompson of APM. Fuller always maintained matter must be a Tensegrity product.
Quantum Structural Engineering 101 is Tensegrity
If you only knew the magnificence of the 3, 6 and 9, then you would have a key to the universe.
— Nikola Tesla
Casting Out the Nines from PHI into Indigs reveals the Cosmic Harmonic Code.
— Junglelord.
Knowledge is Structured in Consciouness. Structure and Function Cannot Be Seperated.
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Re: Why an ether/aether?

Post by Valhalla » Thu Nov 27, 2008 6:17 am

altonhare wrote: Could you give us a reference Val? How can we pick up something with a frequency of one/16.5 million years?

Really?
Wha?
You gotta be kidding?

Ever hear of Cosmic Background Radiation?

Google it.

'Chandra 57 Octaves below middle C'

You fellas want to argue/debate what is obvious eh?
Too funny.
Think you will draw me in to your vortex of belief?
Or discount mine?
Betcha my un-common sense prevails.
Why?

Because it is about stuff like Pythagorean Commas and 24 cents.
Do you know what 24 cents = in music?
Do you know the significance of the number 24 in both the Fibonacci sequence (logarithmic spiral) and Marko Rodin's RODIN COIL?
Marko is a math wiz.
Music is composed using math?
What does 440 hertz vs. 432 hertz have to do with SOUND?
Right now because all instruments on Earth are tuned to 'A' = 440 Hertz ... the Earth (a satellite) is putting out a certain vibe...if you know what I mean dancing jelly beans...a pulsating beacon... :twisted:
Using the Law of Attraction called the Secret :lol: thesis...what will 440 Hertz attract on a Cosmic level?
Sagan and company sent a message from Areicbo.
What is the Earth communicating at 440 hertz?

Not my job to educate you fellas ... as Plasmatic noted.
Or is it?
:roll:

Chandra technology trumps the technology that Michelson and Morley utilized to prove aether did not exist back in 1887.
Sorry but that is obvious too.

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Re: Why an ether/aether?

Post by Valhalla » Thu Nov 27, 2008 6:30 am

Plasmatic wrote:

It is not my resposibility to educate you . Perhaps a change in attitude would make ones request more likely to be answered.
My attitude?
I went to your link and responded.
I know where you are coming from.
I have read some of the threads in mad ideas and I see a pattern.
;)

Have you heard of WSM theory?
Did you go to the links I provided?
Eh?
Because they will help in your investigations about aether.
You want me to educate you?

I made a comment about the taboo 'Black Hole'.
You directed me to a site that suggests black holes are bogus.
Fine.
Let's move on.
I really only want to discuss SOUND.

I have a simple question that still remains, that neither you nor Alton want to 'take on'.
That is obvious to me.

Explain the origin of that SOUND and its impact on its surroundings?
Are there others that are still undetected?
How low can they go?
How high can the SOUNDS go?

Explain how the waves emanating from an exploding super nova, might impact the light and sound and cosmic dance down here?
Really is a simple question.

Either use current Standard Model (is there one they all agree on?), chain/rope/string/matrix or whatever theory you want to explain.
Until you or anybody on this site or anybody in the www can explain the impact SOUNDs that we cannot detect might have on the creation, SOUNDs that create a waveform which appears to be the baseline / bassline, maybe a reference point that dancing light photons and such default too?
Maybe the highs and lows that SOUND provide are the boundaries? :idea:

My conclusion is intuitively CORRECT and unique and painfully obvious to every scientist who has a critical OPEN mind.
Explain those SOUNDS please, the impact they may have on the invisible quantum world or your wave/particle double slit experiments are null and void.
What effect would an undectable non-electromagnetic wave have on a electro-magnetic one ... and vice versa?


Do I sound pissed? 8-)
Just a little, because I felt this site is progressive.
Why not help show me I am right. Stop digging yourself a deeper pit of scientific babble. You fellas really thought Electric Universe Cosmology was the answer eh?
The simplest explanation is the most believable.

SOUND is obvious....explain its effect on matter?
Ever heard of cymatics...I know you fellas have.

I know what a small prick like me :mrgreen: , hahaha, can do to the bubbles of illusion that surround me.
And I know what kind of crowd I will eventually attract as the bubbles go poof and the liar liar liars are exposed.
Yikes.
Going around and negating the self-serving ego can be very dangerous and messy work. The prick has no idea how much has been invested in each balloon. What he may attract with his efforts.
This is the work of a hero, believe it or not. And I believe I am such a fella.
Glad to meet ya.
:roll:

Have a nice day fellas.
Not much more to be said. Really. We know that now.
You and Alton have hit the wall of empirical truth...start wailing.
:lol: :lol: :lol:

How many myth references do you want that reference SOUND as divine?
Ask Mr. Talbot.
The Electric Universe Theory is a good one, but it is not complete, it is also primarily discussing the LIGHTening Show.
Tell me about the THUNDER that accompanies it...the sublime poetic soundtrack we cannot hear.
But somehow it still effects us...on the quantum level.

Tell me about the BANG formula that follows the Big One.
Tell me about the obvious.
The scientist has been silent about the BANG.

As prophecy suggests, the truth would be painfully obvious.
:roll:

From the halls of Valhalla echoes TRUTH...

Valhalla

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Re: Why an ether/aether?

Post by Valhalla » Thu Nov 27, 2008 7:21 am

I wonder what the connections are between the following?

Sound ? Gravity Wave ? 5th Element ? the Quintessence ? Luminiferous Aether ? Dark Matter /Dark Energy ?

What helps link these concepts together?

Any ideas?
Of course I have a few. :idea:
Building on the ideas of others of course, of those who came before us.
I love this quote by Plato...

"The soul which has seen most of truth shall come to birth as a philosopher, or beauty lover, or fervent musician."

Valhalla

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Re: Why an ether/aether?

Post by Valhalla » Thu Nov 27, 2008 8:10 am

Alton you may be interested in this article.
You seem OPEN to new insights and mad ideas?
You asked for a link to Chandra and 57 Octaves?
But the voice of the black hole could never be heard by the human ear because there are 10 million years between each of the sound waves, "clearly not within human experience," said Fabian.

"We've known that a black hole can give off energy as light and heat and now we are seeing a third way -- sound," said Margon.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/space/2090936.html
Whether it is a black hole or a chain or a string or the crack of the whip (which is caused by the sound barrier being broken), whatever IT is, there are 3, count em' 3 entities.

LIGHT
HEAT
SOUND

The truth is out there fellas.
Can't hear it.
You gotta tune in and feel it.
Do I need to crack mi whip?
:lol:

Clean off yer hard drives.
New program to be installed.
A new spiritual OS to replace XP and Vista.
Here is an observation about XP and the windows...of opportunity.
XP are the first two letters of CHrist (in Greek)...
XP is the Christian Labarum.
Forms part of Constantine's vision ... XP leading to a Vista, from on up high?
:o

I love how the interconnectedness can be observed on 'other' levels.
Don't you?

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Re: Why an ether/aether?

Post by Grey Cloud » Thu Nov 27, 2008 8:37 am

Hi Valhalla,
I like the way your mind works.
Sounds like this might interest you:
I was dumbfounded for quite a while before I managed to inquire, "What sound do I hear, so magnificent, so sweet, which fills my ears?"

"That is the music of the spheres," he answered. "The spheres create this music by their own motion as they move. The intervals between the spheres, though they differ in length, are all measured according to a fixed scheme of proportions; this arrangement of proportions produces a harmony of high and low notes. Did you believe that these motions could take place in silence? Rather, nature has ordained that these spheres give forth music, the highest spheres singing high sounds, the lowest singing deep and low sounds. The spheres containing the uppermost stars are the regions where the motions are fastest, and so they give off high sounds; the Moon, on the other hand, lies beneath the others and moves very slowly, and so gives off the lowest note. The ninth sphere, the earth, since it does not move at all, is motionless and silent. But the other eight spheres produce seven notes, each corresponding to one of the notes on the scale. You may wonder why they don't give off eight sounds; this is because two of the spheres move at identical speeds. So the spheres give off seven notes, the number fundamental to all existing things. Some people have imitated these musical effects with their instruments and their voices, giving themselves the possibility of returning to this place. Others have the same chance as well if they devote themselves to heavenly activities while living on earth. You should realize that human ears are constantly filled with this music, but they have made themselves completely deaf to it. No other human sense is as weak as this. A similar thing occurs where the Nile rushes down from a mountain to Catadupa; the noise is so loud that the people living nearby have become completely deaf. That's why this great music of the spheres, created by the whole universe, can't be heard by humans. It is similar to looking into the sun, which is so bright it will blind you entirely."
http://www.wsu.edu/~dee/ROME/SCIPIO.HTM
In the immortal words of Mel Brooks: 'Those Romans are nuts; n.v.t.s. - nuts'.
If I have the least bit of knowledge
I will follow the great Way alone
and fear nothing but being sidetracked.
The great Way is simple
but people delight in complexity.
Tao Te Ching, 53.

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Re: Why an ether/aether?

Post by Valhalla » Thu Nov 27, 2008 11:19 am

Grey Cloud wrote:Hi Valhalla,
I like the way your mind works.
Sounds like this might interest you:
I was dumbfounded for quite a while before I managed to inquire, "What sound do I hear, so magnificent, so sweet, which fills my ears?"

"That is the music of the spheres," he answered.
Thanks for the compliment.
I know I can rub people two ways.
Just like the electron in its flat world only has two directions available to it.
CW and CCW
Hence two results...positron and electron.

The descent of Sumerian Goddess Inanna (Ishtar, Ashtarte, VENUS) ... and the 7 mi she takes with her is also about SOUND.
And what would the VENUS transit cycle encoded into the Maya Dresden Codex have to do with the truth?
Ask the Vatican err or should I say Babylon?

The link you offered Grey Cloud is along the lines of this great book I just picked up.
Actually it was delivered.

http://www.amazon.com/Myth-Invariance-O ... 0892540125
The Myth of Invariance by E. McClain

Here is his homepage...
http://www.ernestmcclain.net/

He is no dummy.
Here are two reviews regarding his book.
I must begin by stating that I have known Ernest G. McClain personally for 13 years, and that I have been reading his books and papers for over 26 years. While I am clearly biased in my opinion of him and his work I feel, nevertheless, that my personal contact with him has given me a certain edge over those who may have read his books but who don't know him. His work delves into the lost connections between the musical/mathematical/cosmological theories of the ancient world and the philosophies of the ancient Greeks, the ancient Hebrews, the ancient Hindus, and the ancient Babylonians. In our modern world we use our highest technology to find a unified field "theory of everything". The ancients were no different, except that they used their highest technology to find a "theory of everything" that was based on musical tuning, an ancient sort of "string theory". Make no mistake. McClain's books can be hard to follow, but that's not surprising: his material has been out of date for 2500 years. The Dutch-Canadian musicologist Siemen Terpstra read The Myth of Invariance (MoI) from cover to cover three times before he felt that he understood it. I've found that the rewards can make it worth it. The Torah holds hidden insights, references, and bawdy jokes which Ernest has only recently, at age 87, brought to light. Read the MoI, read The Pythagorean Plato, then get on the Internet, Google BIBAL (sic), and read the works of Ernie's colleagues. You won't be disappointed, you'll be among the avant guard.
Anyone fascinated with Pythagoras, "The Music Of The Spheres", ancient musical scales, cosmic cycles, vibrations, etc., you've hit pay dirt with this book.


ciao,
grey cloud through which the light still shines?

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Re: Sound (split from "Why an ether/aether?")

Post by kevin » Thu Nov 27, 2008 1:02 pm

Valhalla,
A couple of years ago, a nine fold geometry crop circle appeared in wheat at the side of these stones, been the first to view it, I was keen to photograph the crop circle, against the rules?, i jumped up on top of these stones, the WHISPERING KNIGHTS, As I stood on the two tallest stones, a sound occured, and the scene I viewed went to a kind of jello, I heard two voices talking, one was my normal voice telling me to get down before I fell and broke my neck.
the other, much more deep and confident expressed it's joy at listening to universe, to the stars and planets, exitadely proclaiming that "Thats where we come from"
I couldn't take a picture as I felt as though i was wobbling along with the scene, so my normal voice suggested stepping off one of the stones.
Zap , the picture reset, the sound stopped, I took the pictures, then , stood back upon the whispering knights, they told me many things, of how music has been altered here, how frequencies create all, how nothing percieved as moving , actually is, but that the so called nothing of space is moving, and the resonant hollow creations sing to the tunes of creation, as they implode into 3D.
http://www.rollrightstones.co.uk/index. ... ts-dolmen/
kevin

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Re: Sound (split from "Why an ether/aether?")

Post by Grey Cloud » Thu Nov 27, 2008 1:19 pm

Hi Valhalla,
I know Ernest McLain's site, though to be honest the musical theory goes over my head.
On the Pythagorean front, the work of Rene Schwaller dee Lubicz and John Anthony West are worth checking out.
Always amazes me that the Egyptians used granite in their temples for its acoustic properties.

I prefer to think in terms of vibration rather than sound per se. As the Kybalion says:
“Nothing rests; everything moves; everything vibrates.”–The Kybalion.
http://www.hermetics.org/pdf/kybalion.pdf - only pp60 - well worth the read.

Then there's:
The entire cosmos is a complex matrix of sound and light vibrations. Every element in our world and every kingdom of beings derives its essential nature from the keynote resonating as the basis of its consciousness. All primary questions concerning origins and destiny turn upon the rate of vibration, the plane of matter and state of consciousness, and corresponding conceptions of space, time and motion. Beyond the planes of manifestation and prior to the primal differentiation of spirit and matter lies the one invariant and all-potential vibration of the Paramatman, which through its radiation gives periodic form and substance to the septenary universe. Ultimately, this is a purely transcendental process entirely exempt from rational analysis. It is necessary to discard the false notion that each human being is somewhat like a machine or a self-contained box. As the universal vibration of the One Life is at the core of every living form, no being in the universe is entirely dependent upon any external source of motion. Owing to the transcendental commonality of consciousness, all beings are inevitably involved in a universal system of mutual interdependence."
Raghavan Iyer, "Resonance and Vibration"
Re Inanna. This is a good example of how vibration is a better word than sound. Her descent is an alchemical process. She is altering the vibration of each of her 7 chakras. The Buddha is another example but going in the opposite direction. He opened his eighth chakra thus making the octave.

As we say over here: 'If you don't know the words, take off your shoes and hum'.
If I have the least bit of knowledge
I will follow the great Way alone
and fear nothing but being sidetracked.
The great Way is simple
but people delight in complexity.
Tao Te Ching, 53.

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Re: Sound (split from "Why an ether/aether?")

Post by Valhalla » Thu Nov 27, 2008 1:22 pm

kevin wrote:Valhalla,
A couple of years ago, a nine fold geometry crop circle...
kevin
interesting story kevin.

9-fold = the Enneagram ;)
quite old...probably at least 4000 years old.
did you know Marko Rodin's RODIN Coil is connected to this sacred ancient concept?

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Re: Sound (split from "Why an ether/aether?")

Post by kevin » Thu Nov 27, 2008 1:36 pm

Grey cloud,
Re;- egyptian granite.
Sound travels ten times as fast through granite than atmosphere.
Ever wondered WHY?
The sloping tunnels in the pyramids are filled with different sand, than the close by desert, ever wondered WHY?
Look up BARKING SAND.
Ever wondered WHY the musical scale was altered under the shadow of WAR?
Doh a deer, a female deer, far, a long long way to roam.
Ever marvelled at the organs in the cathedrals, and the precise position they occupy, I do, and have a strange talent for checking such.
have you ever wondered about the carvings in the rosslyn chapel?
Left, by the templars, but who is to listen?
kevin

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Re: Sound (split from "Why an ether/aether?")

Post by Valhalla » Thu Nov 27, 2008 1:38 pm

Grey Cloud wrote:
Always amazes me that the Egyptians used granite in their temples for its acoustic properties.
Grey Cloud sounds indigenous/aboriginal?
You will find this interesting.

Why is the Ka'Bah Stone in Mecca made from granite?
Why is NORAD built inside a granite mountain?
Why did the Egyptians use granite?
Why did the Thompson Indians from the B.C. interior suggest the temples they traveled to after dying were made of granite too?

Read the text below re: PIT HOUSE Cosmology
The Pit House is the oldest structure of its kind in North America.
The ceremonial Kiva used by the Anasazi evolved from this structure.

Image

D) a huge granite lodge where the soul jokes and dances with old friends. :lol:

I will leave you with the question...why the sacred references to granite?
What property of granite is sacred, that would make it a worthy temple?
:roll:

Seems Kevin was tuning in.

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Re: Sound (split from "Why an ether/aether?")

Post by kevin » Thu Nov 27, 2008 1:47 pm

Valallha,
if you check my thread about dowsing, you will find that I find NINE lines running parallel, arranged in three sets of threes, thats three(3) six(6) nine(9)
They cross other similer sets in sequence of angles of, 0,1,1,2,3,5,8,13,21,34,55,89 to infinity.
Theres only 144 that adds upto nine, so your back to 0.
Perhaps we are designed to reach 144?
Kevin, follower of fibonacci.
TT Brown, when testing his loudspeaker played over and over and over again,
The sound of music,
Much to his daughters annoyance.
send, and thou shalt recieve back?
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Re: Sound (split from "Why an ether/aether?")

Post by Grey Cloud » Thu Nov 27, 2008 1:58 pm

Hi Kevin,
Sound travels ten times as fast through granite than atmosphere.
Ever wondered WHY?

I didn't know but I am now wondering why.
The sloping tunnels in the pyramids are filled with different sand, than the close by desert, ever wondered WHY?
Didn't now that either but am now also wondering why.
Look up BARKING SAND.
I'd heard of singing sand but had forgotten about it.
Ever wondered WHY the musical scale was altered under the shadow of WAR?
Doh a deer, a female deer, far, a long long way to roam.
I knew about the Solfeggio scale.
Ever marvelled at the organs in the cathedrals, and the precise position they occupy, I do, and have a strange talent for checking such.
I marvel at the cathedrals full stop. I've read Fulcanelli's Mysteries of the Cathedrals. And you have a strange and wonderful talent my friend.
have you ever wondered about the carvings in the rosslyn chapel?
Left, by the templars, but who is to listen?
I wonder about these frequently.
:lol: :lol: :lol:
If I have the least bit of knowledge
I will follow the great Way alone
and fear nothing but being sidetracked.
The great Way is simple
but people delight in complexity.
Tao Te Ching, 53.

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Re: Sound (split from "Why an ether/aether?")

Post by Valhalla » Thu Nov 27, 2008 2:17 pm

kevin wrote:Valallha,
if you check my thread about dowsing, you will find that I find NINE lines running parallel, arranged in three sets of threes, thats three(3) six(6) nine(9)
They cross other similer sets in sequence of angles of, 0,1,1,2,3,5,8,13,21,34,55,89 to infinity.
Theres only 144 that adds upto nine, so your back to 0.
Perhaps we are designed to reach 144?
Kevin, follower of fibonacci.
3, 6, 9?
Have you been sleeping around in the jungle with the lord of darkness and light?
You know about Marko Rodin then?

Everything has a shadow Kevin as you probably know as a dowser.
Even the Fib series.
Plot the Fib numbers, the shadow Fib numbers AND the regular numbers.
The shadow Fibonacci series are 4, 6, 7, 9, 10, 11, 12, 14, 15, 16 to infinity.

Lets start with a flat universe...just the x-axis then expand on it and add the y-axis. Plot BOTH Fibonacci series.
i.e.
the regular Fib numbers are in RED
the shadow Fib numbers are in BLUE

Consider the RED as POSITIVE numbers on the Y-axis and the BLUE as NEGATIVE numbers on the Y-axis.
0, 1, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21,...

Now plot those numbers on the Y-axis, the RED line will be above the x-axis and the BLUE line will be below...then join the dots, and what will appear is a strand of DNA.
Do this for the first 216 numbers.
Why 216?
Google 216 and Pi.
216 = 24 x 9
Want to know about the code within the Fibonacci Code?

And when I think of DNA and the letter Y, I cannot help visualize the following.

Image

And DNA has two filaments traveling in opposite directions.
Thus one strand is traveling CW and the other strand is going CCW.
Thus according to Altonhare's youtube guru on Magnetism, this is indeed a special relationship.
RED above and BLUE below is similar to how a magnetic is structured again according to Altonhare's video.
But the youtube guru fails to understand or acknowledge that a 3rd thread runs down the center ... between the other two, he fails to mention this 3rd thread.

Anybody who has studied the Cabala knows that the Tree of Life has a 3rd thread running down the center. :roll:
Kevin follower of Fibonacci, that'll be 5 bucks OR pass it on.
Your choice ... 8-) 8-)

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