Help Us Explain Crater Formation!

[Sparky]

http://www.summitpost.org/images/original/320117.jpg

Looks more like a sink hole.

[Metryq]

"Something smacked the ground, and knocked me clear out of my chair."
—Farmer Wilmouth, Oct. 30, 1938

[dahlenaz]

Here is a link to the first photo made available of the
rubberband ball crater. The ball was almost 5 ft in diameter
and around a ton in weight. Upon impact it partially broke up.
People said that the remainder was hot to the touch.
I will trying to find a better photo that shows the whole crater. d...z

http://para-az.com/crater-types/rbbr-ba ... adjmu1.jpg
Original photo credits: Joe Jennings http://www.skydive.tv

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[Bomb20]

Looks interesting, also the horseshoe on the right side!

[Frantic]

Horseshoe shape, manmade perhaps? (or collapsed Caldera?) I don't know this area, I can't tell from the images how inhabited the area is.

Mostly everything here will be attributed to vulcanism and it would take serious proof to convince otherwise.

The craters are interesting, but I don't see anything that screams electrical, I think they are most likely caldera's but not sure

[viscount aero]

I am no EU expert, but this looks like it might be of interest.

This:

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Mt+Ar ... 247c?hl=en

looks to me like a crater chain here on Earth, with what might even be a "scooped out" area, like on Mars.

I have followed Thunderbolts here for years, and do not remember any items about crater chains here on earth. Perhaps I just missed them.

Could this just be a series of old sink-holes??

EDIT:
Actually, the scale is small enough that these could possibly be man-made, whether ancient or modern. There are actually buildings in and around the "craters." But it sure looks like a crater chain from Mars. Please debunk as needed.

That is a crater chain akin to structures on Mars and the Moon. It has been etched away.

[webolife]

Those are commonly referred to as fumaroles, and occur throughout the lava/ash flows as you trace them back toward the two peaks to the north. These are common around Crater Lake in Oregon as well as Mt. St. Helens in Washington, and are indeed volcanic in origin. Now to what extent electrical activity within the hot flows contributed to the "popping" out of gases and steam along these streams is a matter for anyone's conjecture. The horseshoe is a typical cinder cone formation, exploded out toward the southwestern side during its formation. If these are the same formations we observe in the canyons and rills of Mars, then that would diminish credence to the EDM-ic nature of the Martian formations, as the volcanic nature of the terrestrial features is historically known.

[viscount aero]

Those are commonly referred to as fumaroles, and occur throughout the lava/ash flows as you trace them back toward the two peaks to the north. These are common around Crater Lake in Oregon as well as Mt. St. Helens in Washington, and are indeed volcanic in origin. Now to what extent electrical activity within the hot flows contributed to the "popping" out of gases and steam along these streams is a matter for anyone's conjecture. The horseshoe is a typical cinder cone formation, exploded out toward the southwestern side during its formation. If these are the same formations we observe in the canyons and rills of Mars, then that would diminish credence to the EDM-ic nature of the Martian formations, as the volcanic nature of the terrestrial features is historically known.

These features often are seen among miles-long channels of geometrically consistent widths and depths. How do those form?

[Frantic]

Well, would an analogy to the stars, "beads on a string" formation make sense. If lava flow is plasma and has developed a charge differential, and vulcanism can be attributed to explosive electrical activity. Than perhaps a discharge under the surface created multiple explosions along a path like beads on a string. I don't think a surface electrical event could be responsible.

I presume they are just part of the vulcanism, which is poorly understood phenomenon, and may be electrically influenced.

[viscount aero]

“Collapse Pits” of Arsia Mons
http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2005/ ... samons.htm

As high-tech capabilities have returned the most extraordinary images of the planet Mars, the “explanations” become increasingly far-fetched.

excerpt:

The ESA summary echoes the customary explanation. “The pits probably formed when lava erupted from the side of Arsia Mons. When lava, or molten rock, finds its way to the surface, it produces several veins and chambers. These slowly empty as the lava erupts and runs down the volcano flanks. Some of the lava reaching the surface cools down and becomes solid, often building a roof over the emptied chamber. The resulting voids collapse due to the weight of the overlying material”.

A closer look here discredits this explanation. The floors of these pits are clean and their edges are smooth. Collapsed roofs leave rubble on the floor and broken edges around the walls. The collapse of lava tubes on Earth produces irregular holes with debris heaped in the bottoms. Compare the pits of Arsia Mons with the famous “Big Tubes” area in New Mexico, here.

[Rossim]

This is a great example of "the boy who cried wolf (EU)". If we apply EU theories where we don't have sufficient evidence then we lose a lot of credence, especially when the process is historically documented. Same as the crater recently found; impact is an easier explanation to accept than electric discharge, even for us.

[viscount aero]

This is a great example of "the boy who cried wolf (EU)". If we apply EU theories where we don't have sufficient evidence then we lose a lot of credence, especially when the process is historically documented. Same as the crater recently found; impact is an easier explanation to accept than electric discharge, even for us.

I didn't say the impact crater was electrical. There was also a thread about pingoes possibly being "electrical" and I didn't agree. They're well-documented as being sinkholes, essentially. Not every establishment theory is wrong. I believe the Moon rotates on an axis, for example. However, If I am in error about the volcanic origin of the terrestrial forms being debated then that is the nature of life. But it goes both ways. The establishment insists that almost everything on Mars is made from floods or volcanoes which is preposterous.

[Rossim]

This is a great example of "the boy who cried wolf (EU)". If we apply EU theories where we don't have sufficient evidence then we lose a lot of credence, especially when the process is historically documented. Same as the crater recently found; impact is an easier explanation to accept than electric discharge, even for us.

I didn't say the impact crater was electrical. There was also a thread about pingoes possibly being "electrical" and I didn't agree. They're well-documented as being sinkholes, essentially. Not every establishment theory is wrong. I believe the Moon rotates on an axis, for example. However, If I am in error about the volcanic origin of the terrestrial forms being debated then that is the nature of life. But it goes both ways. The establishment insists that almost everything on Mars is made from floods or volcanoes which is preposterous.

I think we have to be extremely cautious when comparing EDM effects to topological formations on earth because weathering and volcanism is clearly present. Our argument is stronger on planetary bodies where it must be assumed that volcanoes and weathering existed. Here it is known and while the electrical causation is entirely plausible, it should not be used in favor of established causes due to a lack of overwhelming evidence. It's too much of a stretch to apply the EU theory to when other viable mechanisms are easily applicable on earth.

[viscount aero]

This is a great example of "the boy who cried wolf (EU)". If we apply EU theories where we don't have sufficient evidence then we lose a lot of credence, especially when the process is historically documented. Same as the crater recently found; impact is an easier explanation to accept than electric discharge, even for us.

I didn't say the impact crater was electrical. There was also a thread about pingoes possibly being "electrical" and I didn't agree. They're well-documented as being sinkholes, essentially. Not every establishment theory is wrong. I believe the Moon rotates on an axis, for example. However, If I am in error about the volcanic origin of the terrestrial forms being debated then that is the nature of life. But it goes both ways. The establishment insists that almost everything on Mars is made from floods or volcanoes which is preposterous.

I think we have to be extremely cautious when comparing EDM effects to topological formations on earth because weathering and volcanism is clearly present. Our argument is stronger on planetary bodies where it must be assumed that volcanoes and weathering existed. Here it is known and while the electrical causation is entirely plausible, it should not be used in favor of established causes due to a lack of overwhelming evidence. It's too much of a stretch to apply the EU theory to when other viable mechanisms are easily applicable on earth.

I agree. That same cautionary ethos is often applied by the EU community in cases where Earth-based geological weathering or alteration is applied to Mars or the Moon where such things, ergo, erosion or even vulcanism, probably did not occur.

Moreover, I have criticised the EU community on this forum several times for denying that wind and water erosion are responsible for terrestrial weathering. Too often the EU denies that wind and water (and vulcanism) do actually alter the surface of the Earth and probably other planets. There are billions of planets with billions of ecosystems.

[Enemy of Empire]

I was scheduled to give a presentation at Phoenix, the title being the subject line of this post, but was unable to attend due to visa problems. This title was submitted before I had finished the paper I was working on and I would have liked to revise it to "A complete refutation of the Alvarez Hypothesis - from an EU perspective". The paper was published on July 1st by New Concepts in Global Tectonics. It's title is "Polygonal crater formation by electrical discharges, Wayne BURN". You can view the paper in pdf form for download at http://www.ncgt.org/nws/4a01717953fb71b ... 8e6914.pdf

So, you may have missed my presentation but you can read the paper on which it was based. I think you may find it a very interesting read. My apologies for any confusion with my username but EoE is my general internet tag which I use everywhere.