* In this post:
http://thunderbolts.info/forum/phpBB3/v ... 599#p18865 I quote from my website where I paraphrase some of what Cardona et al said in Kronos magazine in the 1980s. There I mentioned that DC said Saturn was probably always visible and its observation was recorded by humans at least 20 thousand years ago. At first it was probably not thought to be anything special, like a god, because it merely looked like a large red ball in the northern sky. DC said it flared up occasionally, every few centuries or millennia, and at those times it may have been thought to be special, but probably not a god, because it didn't yet have a human-like form. After each flare-up of Saturn, the ancients gave it a new name, because it looked different each time.
* I read somewhere that DC said Saturn flared up about 11,000 years ago, its second last episode. Then, centuries or millennia later, the Venus comet appeared, leaving a circle of plasma or smoke around Saturn, which was called the Ouroboros, or snake biting its tail. Venus settled in the center of the face of Saturn. Originally, Saturn, Venus and Mars were all red or maroon colored, so Venus and Mars may have been there all along, but were not distinguishable from Saturn. However, I think DC said Venus was said by the ancients to have been shot out of Saturn.
* I think the best guess so far is that Venus first appeared between 5,000 and 11,000 years ago. Here's a good discussion of the origin of Venus at
http://www.kronia.com/thoth/thoVI-08.txt. Perhaps after the 11,000 BP flare-up, both Saturn and Venus gradually changed color - Saturn from red to yellow and Venus from red to white - while Mars remained red. I don't know what color menstrual blood is supposed to be, whether red or maroon, depending on how long it sets, but that's what the ancients called the sky: an ocean, a cauldron, and menstrual blood. I suppose the red glow mode of Saturn as an electrified brown dwarf star is what they were seeing. Being initially far outside the solar system, the daylight may have been dimmer than it is now, but there was no darkness.
* DC said Jupiter was associated with Saturn for millennia before the breakup of the Saturn system, but it was not visible from the northern hemisphere on Earth. I don't know what his arguments are for saying that, but I tend to accept what he says, because he seems to have good evidence for most everything he says.
* I think Mars first appeared right after Venus did.
* Allyn said:
I'd like to know where Mercury and the Moon were during the event as well. Mercury was the messenger of the gods, with wings on his feet. That would mean Mercury was moving all over the sky at the time.
* I don't think the god Mercury was actually the planet Mercury. Instead, I think it was Mars. I think DC has said that there were 7 or 9 small objects seen near Saturn during the latter part of the Saturn age. Those objects would have been its larger moons. Our Moon and Mercury were likely either moons of Saturn or of Jupiter.