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Re: New planet that cannot exist

Unread postby justcurious » Mon Nov 04, 2013 6:07 pm

I got this in my mobile app daily science news yesterday.
Once again scientists are "baffled" LOL.
The planet is too close to its star, orbits too fast, and a host of other unexplainable phenomena...
Oh well, it's just an anomaly, pretend it never happened. How many exceptions will it take?
I am almost positive that the densities of stellar objects are mostly wrong as they are based on Newtonian calculations.
After-all, it can't be verified, it's not as if you can put a planet on a scale and weigh it.
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Captured planet?

Unread postby Spektralscavenger » Fri Dec 06, 2013 9:00 am

http://phys.org/news/2013-12-astronomer ... tml#ajTabs

The mechanics of captured planets or systems may be resolved observationally given a number of instances. Seems improbable beyond belief that this planet formed closer and "fell" away.

Le coup de grace to accretion theory?
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Re: Captured planet?

Unread postby pavlink » Fri Dec 06, 2013 10:39 am

When we look closer to home we see similar.
Three more planets, orbiting the sun, beyond Pluto.

Slightly smaller than Earth solid planet ( 4.3 MB )
http://files.kostovi.com/wwt061353_155350cu.bmp

Neptune sized gas giant ( 4.3 MB )
http://files.kostovi.com/wwt070153_411443cu.bmp

Saturn sized gas giant ( 4.3 MB )
http://files.kostovi.com/wwt073256_512504cu.bmp
We live in a double star system.
We need to study double star systems.

Solar System as 4D energy vortex
http://files.kostovi.com/8835e.pdf
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Re: Captured planet?

Unread postby Spektralscavenger » Fri Dec 06, 2013 5:11 pm

About protoplanetary discs I think neither they are the signature of young stars nor the incubator of planets. They are circumstancial phases of star lifes, usually due to catastrophes. Our own Solar System could have been the hell of dusty in the last 15,000 years or further back.
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Hubble Reveals Super-Planets Covered in Alien Clouds

Unread postby pavlink » Fri Jan 03, 2014 4:18 am

Hubble Telescope Reveals Super-Planets Covered in Alien Clouds
http://www.space.com/24133-super-planet ... scope.html
An artist's illustration of the alien planet GJ 1214b, a 'super-Earth' more than six times the mass of Earth that appears to be covered with high clouds, according to Hubble Space Telescope data. Image released Dec. 31, 2013.


GJ 1214 is a double star system
http://files.kostovi.com/GJ1214.jpg
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Re: Hubble Reveals Super-Planets Covered in Alien Clouds

Unread postby Metryq » Fri Jan 03, 2014 6:26 am

"We can't see anything from this distance, and we're not getting any spectra. So we had an artist create his rendition of the alien clouds."

This is what passes for astronomy these days. I wonder if there are rain forests and dinosaurs, like Venus?
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Abundant 'Mini-Neptunes'

Unread postby Sparky » Tue Jan 07, 2014 8:12 am

Sub-Neptunian planets range in size from about 1.5 to 4 times the size of Earth ------- …But the majority of them appear to have a rocky core encased in a hydrogen- and helium-rich envelope. These kinds of mysterious planets don't exist in the solar system. The planets vary from having a puffy, thick envelope to having no envelope at all.

Would someone please explain how helium is retained in the atmosphere? :?

Could these be "young" planets? :?
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Re: Abundant 'Mini-Neptunes'

Unread postby pavlink » Tue Jan 07, 2014 11:48 am

Sparky wrote:Would someone please explain how helium is retained in the atmosphere? :?


We are taught that the atmosphere of Jupiter is mainly hydrogen gas
and helium gas, but these are just passing through. The percentages are so high only because Jupiter is
casting off so much hydrogen and helium at all times. Jupiter is made of hydrogen and helium,
remember, and it has no real surface, so the H2 and He2 shouldn't be considered permanent
atmosphere. They are part of the transient atmosphere that is moving up rather quickly through the
more permanent atmosphere of methane and ammonia.

http://milesmathis.com/atmo2.pdf
explains the Atmosphere
including the non-layering of O and N
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Re: Abundant 'Mini-Neptunes'

Unread postby Sparky » Tue Jan 07, 2014 12:10 pm

They are part of the transient atmosphere that is moving up rather quickly through the more permanent atmosphere of methane and ammonia.


Ahhhh, that makes sense...Thanks... ;)
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Re: Abundant 'Mini-Neptunes'

Unread postby Xuxalina Rihhia » Wed Jan 08, 2014 11:26 am

Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus and Neptune were brown dwarfs. The sun was part of a double star system consisting of it and Jupiter. The Saturn system consisted of it, Uranus and Neptune in a Herbig-Haro configuration. In those times all five bodies were in arc mode (the sun) or glow mode (the "Jovian planets."
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Re: Captured planet?

Unread postby Spektralscavenger » Wed Jan 08, 2014 12:31 pm

http://esciencenews.com/articles/2014/0 ... categories

Potentially another captured planet (or dwarf? ;) ) at about 150 AU from its star. Maybe the capture process is more gentle than traumatic.
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Re: Abundant 'Mini-Neptunes'

Unread postby Sparky » Wed Jan 08, 2014 3:35 pm

Xuxalina Rihhia wrote:Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus and Neptune were brown dwarfs. The sun was part of a double star system consisting of it and Jupiter. The Saturn system consisted of it, Uranus and Neptune in a Herbig-Haro configuration. In those times all five bodies were in arc mode (the sun) or glow mode (the "Jovian planets."

:shock:

Where were the moons? :? :? :D
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Re: Abundant 'Mini-Neptunes'

Unread postby Xuxalina Rihhia » Wed Jan 08, 2014 4:57 pm

Probably in polar/Herbig-Haro configuration. All four Jovian "planets" also have expulsion disks/rings that are charactaristic of stars--as they once were fully-fledged stars.
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Re: Abundant 'Mini-Neptunes'

Unread postby Sparky » Thu Jan 09, 2014 8:56 am

Xuxalina Rihhia wrote:Probably in polar/Herbig-Haro configuration. All four Jovian "planets" also have expulsion disks/rings that are charactaristic of stars-- as they once were fully-fledged stars.


What is a "fully fledged" star?

Does our sun have such a disk? :?

I would expect disks or rings to be fission products. ;)

thanks... ;)
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Re: Captured planet?

Unread postby pavlink » Fri Jan 10, 2014 4:24 am

What’s exciting to scientists is that the study’s failed stars appear to share many of the same characteristics as their little cousins, Jupiter-like gas giant planets.


Monster Storms Raging on Failed Stars
http://newswatch.nationalgeographic.com ... led-stars/
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