Conservation of Energy

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Conservation of Energy

Unread postby Zyxzevn » Mon Dec 23, 2013 7:42 pm

My "mad" theory is that all energy in the physical world is conserved.
This includes the energy in the form of mass following E=mc².

This has some complex consequences.

Electron circles around a proton.
While the electron circles it pulls the proton towards its position. The electro-static field
moves with the speed of light. After half a circle rotation, the changed position would reduce the speed
of an electron a bit. Meaning it loses energy and spirals slowly towards the proton. But it does not..
The main reason is magnetism. It stabilizes the position.
Secondly the electron often has no fixed position around the proton and is in a quantum-state at which
it is on all sides of the proton in certain bands. If it is everywhere there is no pull effect.
Still an atom is usually vibrating a lot, to compensate that it probably transmits and receives
heat-waves, keeping everything in balance again.

Gravity gives change of frequency of light.
If we send a beam of light upward from the earth's surface, we can theoretically convert its energy to mass.
And we can drop this mass and it will give us kinetic energy. We can convert the mass to energy again and
send it up. This is "free energy", but does not work because gravity removes energy from the light as it goes up.
The frequency of the light becomes lower (redder), and its energy is conserved.

Super-conductivity is complex.
Then we make a "free-energy" machine using super-conductive material. We have a magnet above it. The s-c material mirrors the magnet and it keeps it above it. We make the temperature higher of the s-c material until the superconductivity stops. The magnet drops. Then we lower the temperature, then the magnet should go up again. It does not. Firstly the mirror effect mostly stabilizes the vertical position of a magnet. Superconductivity is a complex phenomenon. Secondly (according to a specialist I know) the s-c material has very strange thermal properties, probably blocking other free-energy possibilities.

So my theory could be a general rule!

Let's look at the universe..
and make some bold assumptions :P

Big-bang?
The idea that from nothing suddenly comes something, simply means that the conservation of energy is broken.
So the big-bang is a free-energy theory, and according to my conservation theory not correct.
And if big-bang should somehow exist, why is there no free-energy now?

Gravity pulling objects in?
Does the sun move when the earth revolves around it? Is this movement immediate or does it
depend on the speed of light? If it is not immediate it would mean some energy is lost!
(just like the proton and electron example)
I'm no specialist in gravity to answer this question, but any answer is interesting.
Even if I look at the Higgs-field as a carrier of gravity the problem is similar.
According to my theory there must be some other phenomenon that compensates or prevents
this energy loss if it happens. Some kind of expansion maybe?
What about black-holes (if they exist), what is there to conserve energy? :shock:
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Re: Conservation of Energy

Unread postby Sparky » Tue Dec 24, 2013 9:45 am

Big-bang?
The idea that from nothing suddenly comes something, simply means that the conservation of energy is broken.


"Nothing" is a bold assumption! ;) The Big BAng could be a fluctuation that can only be seen after the rebound from apparently "nothing". How "nothing" was produced, we will never know . But it was part of conserved energy from something. ;)
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Re: Conservation of Energy

Unread postby Zyxzevn » Tue Dec 24, 2013 12:02 pm

Sparky wrote:But it was part of conserved energy from something.

Sounds like an immense source of free energy to me.
In religions we call that "GOD". :geek:

Like I said. Conservation of Energy has many interesting consequences. :P
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Re: Conservation of Energy

Unread postby Zyxzevn » Wed Dec 25, 2013 7:48 am

This one is interesting, and fits in "mad" ideas perfectly.
Pulling Energy from the Vacuum
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNU3MLqyzPk
He also explains the problem with the scientific community
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Re: Conservation of Energy

Unread postby Sparky » Wed Dec 25, 2013 5:06 pm

tom said:The vacuum all around us is actually the source of all electromagnetic (EM) field energy and all EM potential energy)
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Re: Conservation of Energy

Unread postby Zyxzevn » Fri Dec 27, 2013 8:39 am

Zyxzevn wrote:Gravity pulling objects in?
Does the sun move when the earth revolves around it? Is this movement immediate or does it
depend on the speed of light? If it is not immediate it would mean some energy is lost!
(just like the proton and electron example)


I am still wondering about this part. If 2 objects are attracting each other and are moving,
the speed-limit of the attracting force will cause energy loss.
How does this work in gravity?
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Re: Conservation of Energy

Unread postby Sparky » Fri Dec 27, 2013 8:56 am

There are people who claim to have "measured" the speed of gravity to be many times the speed of light. Others say gravity is instantaneous. And those who stick to c for all calculations in physics.

Since my belief is a sort of LeSage, I have to go along with whatever the speed of the aether is.. ;) :?
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Re: Conservation of Energy

Unread postby Zyxzevn » Fri Dec 27, 2013 6:38 pm

The last Thunderbolts video "Quantum Craziness"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3uiR-BIF0A
explained the matter. Gravity is instantaneous according to
the speaker, and is probably related to the also instantaneous
quantum wave-function.
If not, there are a lot of consequences that need to be accounted for.
The quantum-mechanics behind it should also ensure that there is
no information-transfer faster than light.
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Re: Conservation of Energy

Unread postby Sparky » Mon Dec 30, 2013 11:36 am

I don't "believe" in quantum magic. But, instantaneous would imply a solid aether, wouldn't it? ;)
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