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Does the Moon Rotate?

Beyond the boundaries of established science an avalanche of exotic ideas compete for our attention. Experts tell us that these ideas should not be permitted to take up the time of working scientists, and for the most part they are surely correct. But what about the gems in the rubble pile? By what ground-rules might we bring extraordinary new possibilities to light?

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Re: Does the Moon Rotate?

Unread postby D_Archer » Tue Oct 01, 2013 1:13 am

After my post i started doubting again and was thinking about this the whole evening, i even said in my post that the moon did rotate around this 'virtual axis' and when i visualized a non rotating moon it was not what we see in reality.

So i would now agree with Chrimony and Viscount Aero.

The proof would be 'libration' as forwarded by Chrimony.

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Re: Does the Moon Rotate?

Unread postby viscount aero » Tue Oct 01, 2013 10:55 am

Yes I hadn't thought about this issue very much until a thread was created about it. It got me intrigued a great deal because the Moon is in our lives daily and visible most of the time. It is there and close yet possesses great mysteries. I wanted to demystify at least something about it--its rotation. "On the surface" it looks like it doesn't rotate. So that it does rotate on axis is somewhat of an optical illusion because its rotation is non-traditional. It seems counter-intuitive that it would rotate. To wrap one's head around it can be confusing.
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Re: Does the Moon Rotate?

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Re: Does the Moon Rotate?

Unread postby jtb » Sat Oct 05, 2013 12:39 am

If the moon were to stop in its orbit, would it continue to rotate in place? If a horse running on an oval track were to stop, would it continue to rotate in place?
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Re: Does the Moon Rotate?

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Re: Does the Moon Rotate?

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Re: Does the Moon Rotate?

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Re: Does the Moon Rotate?

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Re: Does the Moon Rotate?

Unread postby viscount aero » Sat Oct 05, 2013 8:34 pm

My apologies. I will abstain from such behavior hereafter and quit this thread.
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Re: Does the Moon Rotate?

Unread postby jtb » Sun Oct 06, 2013 4:56 am

Sorry guys for not commenting to your posts. I will eventually.

I have another question: If a horse ran 1 mile east, then 1 mile south, then 1 mile west, then 1 mile north, is it changing direction or rotating?

An issue I have with tidal locking is that it requires billions (not thousands or millions) of years to achieve. A lot of things can change in several billion years. If space weather is anything like Earth weather, it can be pretty chaotic and unpredictable. Tidal locking assumes no changes in distribution of mass. If Venus was once a comet entering the solar system as Velikovsky theorizes, wouldn’t it disrupt the formula for tidal locking for the satellites of all the planets? How could they have synchronized so soon after that event?
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Re: Does the Moon Rotate?

Unread postby chrimony » Sun Oct 06, 2013 5:26 am

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Re: Does the Moon Rotate?

Unread postby jtb » Mon Oct 07, 2013 5:47 am

Chrimony, I tried your experiment with the bowls. The center bowl (Moon) did not rotate when I revolved the larger bowl. It always pointed in the same direction, even when I walked in different directions. It always faced the same direction. It did not rotate.

The water in both bowls did not rotate either. I put bits of toothpicks in the water to observe their motion--there was none.

Moving in a circle with the larger bowl, it revolved (changed direction), but did not rotate. I put the large bowl on a lazy Susan and spun it simulating rotation and got the same results. The only difference was that the toothpick bits near the edge of the larger bowl began to revolve (orbit) very fast when I slowed the lazy Susan. The center bowl (Moon) remained stationary. It did not rotate.

For tidal locking to occur the rotation and revolution of the satellite must be in the same direction. For example, the rotation and orbit of the satellite must both be CCW.

I will address the other comments another day.
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Re: Does the Moon Rotate?

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Re: Does the Moon Rotate?

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Re: Does the Moon Rotate?

Unread postby jtb » Wed Oct 09, 2013 4:22 am

Viscount aero, If you look closely at my last post you will notice that I accidentally proved your point. I haven't changed my view, but it shows how confusing an issue this is.
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