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Re: "No signs of water yet from Mars lander"

Unread postby seasmith » Sun Jul 13, 2008 6:56 am

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That does seem to be 'flowing' along the ridges of some of these 'ice dunes'. Hmmmm...


Or capillary action of ferrite/CO2 solution, combined with sublimation ?
[I guess same thing]

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More pics of Mars dunes with black marks

Unread postby bdw000 » Sun Jul 13, 2008 3:39 pm

Don't know how to post pics.

Another good pic of what looks like very similar ice dunes with black marks can be found here:

http://www.metaresearch.org/solar%20system/cydonia/asom/artifact_html/default.htm

Another here:

http://www.metaresearch.org/solar%20system/cydonia/asom/artifact_html/default.htm

Unfortunately, van Flandern seems to be unaware of EU theory as applied to rilles. Like Hoagland, he thinks the rilles look "artificial."
http://www.metaresearch.org/solar%20system/cydonia/asom/artifact_html/default.htm

And he thinks lichtenberg figures might be trees:

http://www.metaresearch.org/solar%20system/cydonia/asom/artifact_html/default.htm

Oh well.
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Re: "No signs of water yet from Mars lander"

Unread postby Joe Keenan » Wed Jul 16, 2008 4:35 pm

Any day now.......any day.......hey! look over there! did ya see it! It was water I'm sure!
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Re: "No signs of water yet from Mars lander"

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Ice, water on Mars confirmed

Unread postby tholden » Thu Jul 31, 2008 6:40 pm

NASA site, linked from Drudge this evening:

http://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2008/ju ... water.html
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Re: Ice, water on Mars confirmed

Unread postby redeye » Fri Aug 01, 2008 10:17 am

Going by the mediocrity principle wouldn't these results suggest there is a lot of sub surface water ice on Mars?

Also, the Cassini team seem to be a little peeved at Phoenix stealing all the limelight: Titan lake

PASADENA, Calif. -- NASA scientists have concluded that at least one of the large lakes observed on Saturn's moon Titan contains liquid hydrocarbons, and have positively identified the presence of ethane. This makes Titan the only body in our solar system beyond Earth known to have liquid on its surface.


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Re: "No signs of water yet from Mars lander"

Unread postby Joe Keenan » Sat Aug 02, 2008 7:33 am

I see NASA has announced a nuanced discovery of water on Mars. Cynic that I am I remain unconvinced
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Re: "No signs of water yet from Mars lander"

Unread postby GaryN » Sat Aug 02, 2008 12:44 pm

Yes, they claim to have found water, but what else? This is strange.

http://www.universetoday.com/2008/08/02 ... e-on-mars/
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Re: "No signs of water yet from Mars lander"

Unread postby Ben D » Sat Aug 02, 2008 8:20 pm

I guess that is one of the perks of being President, not having to wait to read about 'things' in the public domain of MSM.
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Re: "No signs of water yet from Mars lander"

Unread postby folaht » Mon Aug 04, 2008 12:35 am

GaryN wrote:Yes, they claim to have found water, but what else? This is strange.

http://www.universetoday.com/2008/08/02 ... e-on-mars/


Tholins perhaps?
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Re: "No signs of water yet from Mars lander"

Unread postby redeye » Mon Aug 04, 2008 10:31 am

Apparently they are matching info from the Thermal and Evolved-Gas Analyzer (TEGA) with the results from the ice sample. Are they finding that the gases sublimating from the ice contain elements that have been altered by a lifeform?

This is very intriguing.

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Perchlorates in Mars Soil. Electrochemical / Electrolytic?

Unread postby FS3 » Tue Aug 05, 2008 5:32 am

This is really "whew"!

After analyzing results from soil samples delivered several weeks ago by the Wet Chemistry Lab of Phoenix's "Microscopy, Electrochemistry, and Conductivity Analyzer" (MECA), the results are suggesting one of the Martian soil constituents may be perchlorate, a highly oxidizing substance.

NASA Spacecraft Analyzing Martian Soil Data

...Confirmation of the presence of perchlorate and supporting data is important prior to scientific peer review and subsequent public announcements. The results from Sunday's TEGA experiment, which analyzed a sample taken directly above the ice layer, found no evidence of this compound.

"This is surprising since...


LOL! Again the usual codewort - "surprise"!

After all it may not have come as a surprise at all if they would have read THIS ARTICLE ABOUT THE ELECTRIC CREATION OF PERCHLORATE:
Science News – February 2, 2005
Atmospheric processes may create perchlorate

...The group also passed a sodium chloride aerosol through an electric discharge, which simulated lightning, and detected perchlorate each time, with a ratio of perchlorate to chloride that was two orders of magnitude greater than the control. Perchlorate even formed when salt solutions were exposed to ozone and UV light, simulating desert conditions. Chemist Glen Miller at the University of Nevada, Reno, has found that photochemical oxidation on soil can also generate perchlorate....


Anything else?
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Re: Perchlorates in Mars Soil. Electrochemical / Electrolytic?

Unread postby redeye » Tue Aug 05, 2008 6:57 am

More info

Perchlorates

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Re: "No signs of water yet from Mars lander"

Unread postby junglelord » Tue Aug 05, 2008 7:04 am

GaryN wrote:Yes, they claim to have found water, but what else? This is strange.

http://www.universetoday.com/2008/08/02 ... e-on-mars/

Interesting link, I await the final verdit and them letting us know what they found, oh heavens forbid we be aware of the truth
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Re: Perchlorates in Mars Soil. Electrochemical / Electrolytic?

Unread postby redeye » Tue Aug 05, 2008 7:19 am

Ooops, sorry FS3.

Your post is more interesting anyways.

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