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Re: Pitfalls in measuring tornadic electro-dynamics

Unread postby Dotini » Tue Aug 21, 2012 1:42 pm

http://waterjournal.org/volume-3/johnson

This paper discusses floating water bridges as Birkeland currents.

The hypothesis presented in this paper is that the apparently anomalous behaviour of partially-ionized liquids can be understood by applying the principles of ionized-gas plasma to the charged particles in the liquid.

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Re: Pitfalls in measuring tornadic electro-dynamics

Unread postby PersianPaladin » Tue Aug 21, 2012 8:42 pm

Dotini wrote:http://waterjournal.org/volume-3/johnson

This paper discusses floating water bridges as Birkeland currents.

The hypothesis presented in this paper is that the apparently anomalous behaviour of partially-ionized liquids can be understood by applying the principles of ionized-gas plasma to the charged particles in the liquid.

Respectfully submitted,
Steve


Yes, I had a look at that paper some time ago. Very compelling comparison with regard to the development of apparent field-aligned currents in partial ionized diamagnetic fluids such as water. Of course, it's not fully the same as a plasma environment in terms of various phenomena and particle arrangement - but the stability of the filament and the rotating annulus structure is fascinating. There is good reason to suppose that field-aligned currents occur in our troposphere and lower atmosphere rather than simply in the ionosphere.
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Waterspouts

Unread postby hyrumpoint0 » Mon Dec 10, 2012 3:44 am

I saw this amazing video of a recent waterspout. Could electrical activity in the atmosphere help explain them?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-5JKS4Zj-0&list=UUgKIRBh1j9Ou0VY1UQRzC8A&index=2#.
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Re: Waterspouts

Unread postby dahlenaz » Mon Dec 10, 2012 7:01 am

In a book by G.W. Francis , Electrostatic Experiments, he offers experimental reason to
answer your question with a Yes. He offers the following explanation:

Image

larger image:
http://para-az.com/eltricu-lbgrp/wtrspt1102-c.jpg

http://para-az.com/eltricu-lbgrp/elwtrspt1103-c.jpg

i did an experiment which might be close to one that he explains and mentions here as ex.154., ex155
might also be satisfied by the same experiment as seen in the following video.
I was going for arcs in my experiment. d...z

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67NE-LJ4O1Y

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Re: Waterspouts

Unread postby kiwi » Mon Dec 10, 2012 10:02 pm

This has been posted before .. shame about all the HAARP reference, ... and there is no supporting evidence for the mammal (dolphin) deaths that could link them 100% to the event that Ive seen... the "brightening" effect I guess could be a quirk of the camera's detector, but it sure has a nce glow to it whatever the case 8-)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70_SbAbPG_M
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Birth Of A Tornado

Unread postby Maol » Thu May 16, 2013 4:12 pm

Birth Of A Tornado

Coronal Mass Ejections are ejected from the sun in the form of spinning masses of ions of H and O and electrons (and other ions, He, C, N, Fe, etc.). Some of the mass ejected is clumps of varying density, held together by mutual charges. The CME clumps swirl amid the solar wind and some impinge upon and become confined in earth’s magnetic and gravity fields.

Portions of a CME agglomerate in higher density units and maintain unity as they enter into earth’s flux fields in the form of discrete cells of rotating EM charged ions of H and O, (etc.), and, subsequent to being caught in the earths magnetic and gravitational influences, the mass cools in the planet’s shadow and H and O associate into H2O while still retaining the inertial rotation component of the original CME clump, as well as reacting with the rotational influences of the EM environment of the planet.

The mass, some of which is now agglomerated into water, becomes gravitationally influenced and falls toward the planet. As the gravity’s influence increases density by compression of the H, O, OH and H2O, the inertial rotation is conserved and the rotation rate increases like a skater pulling in the arms increases the rate of rotation of a spin.

The increased density of mass combined with higher rotational velocity results in subsequent concentration of associated EM components. The result is a concentration of higher voltage, amperage and water (ice) and mass with rotational energy, ergo, a thunderstorm or tornado, the size and power of which depends upon the amount of charged mass (H, O, OH & H2O) in the initial contiguous clump of CME that was the precursor.

The Solar Wind in general continually supplies solar mass to the local magnetic and gravitational field of a planet, but a CME and associated density brings larger incidental mass and energy influxes.


Cluster finds Earth's magnetic shield leaks like a sieve

http://www.sen.com/news/cluster-finds-e ... sieve.html

…..snip….read more…….

Co-author Melvyn Goldstein, also from Goddard, said: "The solar wind can enter the magnetosphere at different locations and under different magnetic field conditions that we hadn't known about before. That suggests there is a 'sieve-like' property of the magnetopause in allowing the solar wind to continuously flow into the magnetosphere.

…..snip..…and more……
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Re: Birth Of A Tornado

Unread postby shadowmane » Fri May 17, 2013 5:34 am

So what's the explanation for tornados at night?
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Re: Birth Of A Tornado

Unread postby ElecGeekMom » Fri May 17, 2013 3:19 pm

Is this where the water comes from, at least part of it?

But we haven't found any large amounts of water on other planets?

(I have been wanting to ask where the water comes from....)
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Re: Birth Of A Tornado

Unread postby Maol » Sat May 18, 2013 2:22 pm

ElecGeekMom wrote:Is this where the water comes from, at least part of it?

I think so. Some of it also must come from beyond Earth’s orbit and the outer regions of the solar system where the H and O coagulate into cometary bodies which then fall back toward the Sun. Our fortune is to exist in circumstances and an orbit where the pressure and temperature is favorable for the existence of water in all three phases, vapor, liquid and solid.

Twenty to forty tons of water enters the atmosphere every three seconds in the form of “water comets” described here.

http://smallcomets.physics.uiowa.edu/

http://smallcomets.physics.uiowa.edu/blackspot.html

But we haven't found any large amounts of water on other planets?

(I have been wanting to ask where the water comes from....)

Water is there but the conditions of pressure and temperature are such that water can only exist as a vapor or solid, like the water on the Moon and Mars.
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Re: Birth Of A Tornado

Unread postby starbiter » Sat May 18, 2013 2:51 pm

Maol wrote:
ElecGeekMom wrote:Is this where the water comes from, at least part of it?

I think so. Some of it also must come from beyond Earth’s orbit and the outer regions of the solar system where the H and O coagulate into cometary bodies which then fall back toward the Sun. Our fortune is to exist in circumstances and an orbit where the pressure and temperature is favorable for the existence of water in all three phases, vapor, liquid and solid.

Twenty to forty tons of water enters the atmosphere every three seconds in the form of “water comets” described here.

http://smallcomets.physics.uiowa.edu/

http://smallcomets.physics.uiowa.edu/blackspot.html

But we haven't found any large amounts of water on other planets?

(I have been wanting to ask where the water comes from....)

Water is there but the conditions of pressure and temperature are such that water can only exist as a vapor or solid, like the water on the Moon and Mars.



Hi Maol,

It appears You believe in icy comets. Correct me if i'm wrong but You seem to imply the body of the comet is ice. If this is Your position it has nothing to do with EU.

http://www.thunderbolts.info/thunderblo ... e_teu1.htm

http://www.thunderbolts.info/thunderblo ... e_teu2.htm

http://www.thunderbolts.info/thunderblo ... e_teu3.htm

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Re: Birth Of A Tornado

Unread postby Goldminer » Sat May 18, 2013 5:31 pm

starbiter wrote:
Maol wrote:
ElecGeekMom wrote:Is this where the water comes from, at least part of it?

I think so. Some of it also must come from beyond Earth’s orbit and the outer regions of the solar system where the H and O coagulate into cometary bodies which then fall back toward the Sun. Our fortune is to exist in circumstances and an orbit where the pressure and temperature is favorable for the existence of water in all three phases, vapor, liquid and solid.

Twenty to forty tons of water enters the atmosphere every three seconds in the form of “water comets” described here.

http://smallcomets.physics.uiowa.edu/

http://smallcomets.physics.uiowa.edu/blackspot.html

But we haven't found any large amounts of water on other planets?

(I have been wanting to ask where the water comes from....)

Water is there but the conditions of pressure and temperature are such that water can only exist as a vapor or solid, like the water on the Moon and Mars.



Hi Maol,

It appears You believe in icy comets. Correct me if i'm wrong but You seem to imply the body of the comet is ice. If this is Your position it has nothing to do with EU.

http://www.thunderbolts.info/thunderblo ... e_teu1.htm

http://www.thunderbolts.info/thunderblo ... e_teu2.htm

http://www.thunderbolts.info/thunderblo ... e_teu3.htm

michael

Hi Starbiter,
Please don't be so quick to dismiss the "icy comets." There is indeed an icy trail of ice "asteroids" (mislabeled "comets") traveling the same orbit as Earth. These blocks of ice move faster than the Earth within the Earth's same orbit, (but not at the much faster speed of actual comets), the motion is termed "prograde motion." Every day, tons of ice enter the atmosphere. This "space ice" is responsible for most noctilucent clouds, in spite of the dearth of information about the ice and the clouds.

On the other hand, water vapor is ionized in the upper atmosphere, and the hydrogen portion escapes into space. This continuously depletes the Earth's atmosphere of water. It is the fortunate state of Earth's affairs that these icy blocks continuously enter the atmosphere and replace the lost water.

An article was published during the 1970's or '80's in Scientific American concerning research on this same subject. The article had pictures of these holes punched by the ice, taken from high flying research planes, and their connection with noctilucent clouds. I can't find the article, naturally, at this time.

These fellows, the authors of the web site, are well versed in plasma physics. The physicists' links that Maol posted discuss the lack of scientific inquisitive drive of the consensus scientific community. The authors' work has never been refuted, just sidelined and buried.
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Re: Birth Of A Tornado

Unread postby starbiter » Sat May 18, 2013 6:01 pm

Goldminer said,

"Hi Starbiter,
Please don't be so quick to dismiss the "icy comets." There is indeed an icy trail of ice "asteroids" (mislabeled "comets") traveling the same orbit as Earth. These blocks of ice move faster than the Earth within the Earth's same orbit, (but not at the much faster speed of actual comets), the motion is termed "prograde motion." Every day, tons of ice enter the atmosphere. This "space ice" is responsible for most noctilucent clouds, in spite of the dearth of information about the ice and the clouds.

On the other hand, water vapor is ionized in the upper atmosphere, and the hydrogen portion escapes into space. This continuously depletes the Earth's atmosphere of water. It is the fortunate state of Earth's affairs that these icy blocks continuously enter the atmosphere and replace the lost water.

An article was published during the 1970's or '80's in Scientific American concerning research on this same subject. The article had pictures of these holes punched by the ice, taken from high flying research planes, and their connection with noctilucent clouds. I can't find the article, naturally, at this time.

These fellows, the authors of the web site, are well versed in plasma physics. The physicists' links that Maol posted discuss the lack of scientific inquisitive drive of the consensus scientific community. The authors' work has never been refuted, just sidelined and buried.
I sense a disturbance in the farce.
Goldminer"

Hi Goldminer,

As You know, i'm an idiot. On the other hand, Wal Thornhill isn't an idiot. I'd like to know Wal's opinion of icy/watery comets or asteroids. Everyone knows comets are made from ice. From what i can tell, everyone is wrong. Except for surface ice, which is far different than icy/watery comets and asteroids.

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Re: Birth Of A Tornado

Unread postby nick c » Sat May 18, 2013 7:16 pm

starbiter wrote:I'd like to know Wal's opinion of icy/watery comets or asteroids.

Thornhill on Frank's mini water comet theory:
http://othergroup.net/thoth/thoth16.txt
Louis Frank proposed the continual bombardment of earth by mini water comets. These house sized water comets have not been observed, which to me sends up a red flag. Since the theories proposal in the 1980's NASA and other researchers have been looking for the mini comets, none have been found. What has been observed is described below:
Thornhill wrote:Dr. Frank's theory was developed from observations,
beginning in 1981, of "holes" in dayglow images of the Earth
returned by orbiting spacecraft. Dayglow is caused by
sunlight exciting oxygen atoms high in the ionosphere which
then emit ultraviolet light, invisible to the naked eye.
Frank and a co-worker noticed that the dayglow images had
small blemishes in the form of dark spots. After
considerable effort to determine that the spots were not
just noise or errors in transmission (since the spots were
often no more than a pixel wide) it was found that the spots
were real, that they grew and faded quickly and moved in a
prograde fashion like meteoric dust. So the cause appeared
to be extraterrestrial.
[...]
The biggest hurdle for Frank's theory is the number of holes
measured, which implies that 20 comets per minute are
striking the Earth. That's 10 million comet-like objects per
year, up to the size of a small house! It is understandable
that people in the Spacewatch program are very concerned
that they haven't seen anything of these impactors.


There is an alternative electrical explanation for the dayglow holes that does not require a constant bombardment of house sized water comets:
Thornhill wrote:In the case of the ionospheric holes, it would seem that a
"red sprite" type of diffuse lightning discharge occurs
preferentially along the ionized trail created by a meteor.
The result is that a fountain of air from lower levels
punches through the airglow level, causing a sudden decrease
in the airglow until the newly exposed atmospheric gases can
be dissociated by solar radiation. As well, the sudden
localised change in the electrical balance of the airglow
layer quenches the UV output momentarily. The dimensions of
red sprites are of the order of magnitude required to
explain the diameters of ionospheric holes. My proposed
mechanism of formation of blue jets and red sprites sees
them resulting from ionospheric discharges to ground via
thunderstorms in the troposphere. In other words they form
part of an electrical energy input from the solar plasma to
weather systems, quite distinct from solar insolation. So
the discharge will be found to extend in diffuse form into
space. I speculate that the radial spokes in Saturn's rings
are a graphic indication of a similar electrical input to
that planet, with particles being displaced above and below
the narrow plane of the rings by the electrical discharge. I
would even hazard a guess that the Great Red Spot (GRS) on
Jupiter is, for reasons as yet unknown, the continual focus
of a powerful ionospheric discharge. I deduce this from an
example of the same effect on a much smaller scale on Earth
in the reported glow discharge seen from space above
tornadic storms on Earth. It would be of interest to know
if Jupiter's ionosphere is the site of diffuse electrical
discharges above the GRS.

This model does not require large quantities of water to
quench the Earth's airglow in the ionospheric holes. I am
suggesting that material is not being dumped into the
ionosphere from space, but erupted from the atmosphere
below. I would expect that the phenomena of radar meteors
can be correlated with the ionospheric holes. It is also
probable that it is not a necessary condition for a meteor
to initiate such an ionospheric discharge. In that case,
ionospheric holes should also be looked for above
exceptionally violent electrical storms.

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Re: Birth Of A Tornado

Unread postby Goldminer » Sun May 19, 2013 10:40 am

Yeah, on second thought, ice sublimes in a vacuum. That fact alone precludes icy anything in space. Still , I would like to find the Scientific American article, just for giggles.
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Re: Birth Of A Tornado

Unread postby starbiter » Sun May 19, 2013 12:05 pm

Goldminer wrote:Yeah, on second thought, ice sublimes in a vacuum. That fact alone precludes icy anything in space. Still , I would like to find the Scientific American article, just for giggles.


It's always refreshing to read what Wal has to say. To me Wal is clear and logical. We're so lucky to has access to his thoughts. And it's free.

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