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Re: Electric landforms - fractals

Unread postby Birkeland » Sun Dec 05, 2010 3:26 am

scottyea wrote:Here's a cool link from someone at my alma mater on geographical fractals found via Google Earth.

Beautiful. Thanks for sharing.
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Re: Electric landforms - fractals

Unread postby seb » Sun Dec 05, 2010 4:16 am

Q: What did the kerb say to the cracked pavement?

A: "You're crazy!"

:| Jokes aren't my forte...

Cracking of surfaces can produce similar patterns to lichtenbergs, but it occurs in the opposite direction. You get the big crack (like the valley) first, followed by ever-smaller tributaries. This is in contrast to the conventional argument for rain erosion of mountains, where the tributaries are created locally on the high ground and flowing downwards and joining to form increasingly large streams and rivers. In addition, when the surface is raised by the cracking then the valley appears to be upside down and flowing uphill, with the estuary like a crater at the very top.

I haven't yet seen any compelling evidence that natural rain and water erosion can create similar patterns on ground that was not already approaching a lichtenberg form, whether it be formed electrically or by surface cracking. Has anybody ever demonstrated erosion as being capable of creating fractals like these?
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Re: Electric landforms - fractals

Unread postby JaJa » Wed Dec 08, 2010 1:48 pm

Seb :lol:

Erosion over time?

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Maybe these scars were caused by skin erosion?

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Re: Electric landforms - fractals

Unread postby webolife » Wed Dec 08, 2010 3:09 pm

Seb, for the answer to your erosion question, check out the Mississippi basin and Mississippi delta.
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Re: Electric landforms - fractals

Unread postby bdw000 » Wed Dec 08, 2010 6:00 pm

Some interesting volcanic mountains in Chad, the Tibesti mountains, look to me to have some traits that look "electrical," and yet they are known to be volcanic in origin. I'm just wondering how how certain we can be of at least some electrical characteristics. I am no expert.

Here is a high view of the area:

http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ie=UTF8&ll=21.02811,17.616577&spn=2.11749,3.56781&t=h&z=9


Here is a volcanic basin that looks, from the right height, similar to the caldera of Olympus Mons of Mars, though I assume it is completely volcanic in origin:

http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ie=UTF8&ll=21.028751,16.541977&spn=0.264698,0.445976&t=h&z=12


This looks like an electrical discharge (lightning strike), but is it just erosion?:

http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ie=UTF8&ll=20.765103,16.98143&spn=0.530325,0.891953&t=h&z=11
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Re: Electric landforms - fractals

Unread postby webolife » Thu Dec 09, 2010 3:29 pm

What bdw000 said.
These are recent volcanic, and recently eroded features.
Both charge dispersion [a la lictenberg patterns] and erosion follow the physical principle of the path of least resistance, therefore display similar superficial designs. This does not allow one to conclude with any certainty that all, or even most lichtenberg-like patterns are of electrical origin.
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Re: Electric landforms - fractals

Unread postby GaryN » Fri Dec 10, 2010 9:55 pm

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Dendritic drainage pattern cut into loess upland in Nebraska.

A small collection of links to pages showing some fluid looking, and some more angular patterns:
This is a page explaining the 'random' dendritic pattern at a site in Negeria/Cameroon, but their proffered process sounds rather wishy-washy to me.
http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/catalog/pia04954
On Mars, they are water erosion features from a wet past. Surrounded by hexagonal craters.
http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/catalog/pia00413
A page showing drainages. Some of the dendritic ones don't look water formed to me. Water
produces sweeping, rounded, curvy shapes. Some of the images look electrical, some more than others
http://rst.gsfc.nasa.gov/Sect17/Sect17_4.html
CO2 Ice sublimation.
http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/catalog/PIA11858
The Geology of Mars. Some features admittedly DO look like water features, but some of
them just seem to end without any sign of where the water would have continued to.
http://www.lukew.com/marsgeo/hydro2.html
The Hills of Mars. An earth based perspective.
http://igs.indiana.edu/geology/extraTer ... /index.cfm
Inverted dendritic stream patterns. That inversion process is quite something.
http://www.superstock.com/stock-photos- ... 4102-15581

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Dendritic Drainage Pattern, Yemen
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Re: Planetary Scarring in an Electric Universe

Unread postby nick c » Wed Mar 30, 2011 8:13 am

This thread is a merger of the following threads:

Particular Locations of Electrical Scarring?

Planetary Scarring in an Electric Universe

Best Visual, Graphic EU Evidence?

Making of Lichtenberg figures video

Electric landforms - fractals

Mascons

Lichtenberg figures: yin yang, tree and more

Good looking Earth Spiders
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Re: Scarring and Lichtenberg figures

Unread postby GaryN » Fri Jan 18, 2013 12:44 pm

Rivers seem to present quite the challenge when it comes to explaining their origins and progressions. In this article, the main image just smacks of electrical phenomena having created the original landform. Maybe they do progress through erosion, but I think they may well have gained most of their shape almost instantly.
River Formation:
Solving the Mystery of River Formation
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http://news.sciencemag.org/sciencenow/2 ... r-for.html

A couple more links. Much of the questioning of the standard model of river formation is from the Creationists, and I think they raise some very valid arguments. I haven't included any of those sites here, but the Green River formations seems to be the most discussed. Please add any other interesting or perhaps controversial links you come across.
Physical properties of rivers
http://www.eoearth.org/article/Physical ... _of_rivers
River Processes:(pdf)
http://cronodon.com/files/River_Processes_1.pdf
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plywood lichtenberg figures

Unread postby bdw000 » Tue Mar 05, 2013 9:15 pm

How to make lichtenberg figures in plywood with a mere 15,000 volts. Some here may find this interesting. Being the non-expert that I am, I always assumed that lichtenberg figures were always formed quickly, such as by lightning.

Check out this video:

http://io9.com/5988556/this-is-what-happens-when-you-run-15000-volts-through-wood

While not being specific, whoever did this says it was a very slow process and the video is speeded up a lot.

The experimenters here may find a few ideas in this video.
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Re: plywood lichtenberg figures

Unread postby 303vegas » Wed Mar 06, 2013 3:11 am

Looks promising to me, especially when you consider the similarity of the structures in the wood to those of the grand canyon and our old friend the martian surface. Maybe the process would be faster on a larger, planetary scale. I don't know who these scalar things work so I couldn't say for sure.

One thing that struck me was that the wood only smoldered rather than bursting into flames. Maybe they were blowing any fire out as it sprang up, I don't know, perhaps. Anyway, very impressive.
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Re: plywood lichtenberg figures

Unread postby Orthogonal » Sat Mar 09, 2013 5:00 pm

Great video, this deserves a lot more discussion than it is getting. I was very surprised at how long it took for the etchings to occur. This is a video made with time-laps photography. If you look closely you can see the plasma filaments moving across the surface. Scaling this up to global plasma discharge, it would seem that features on Mars would have taken days, months or even years to happen. I seem to remember Thunderbolts members describe the process taking as little as minutes.
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Re: plywood lichtenberg figures

Unread postby GaryN » Sat Mar 09, 2013 8:40 pm

Thunderbolts members describe the process taking as little as minutes.


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