Once more unto the breach dear friends, once more...
Do people understand yet that Energy = Information? No they do not because nobody ever educated them about it, probably because until now, nobody knew. How are we doing for over 4,000 years of seeking, going within and finding nothing out of nothing?
Can you prove that energy = information? Does that mean that when I blow my nose, I am exchanging information? Define energy; define information. I cannot speak for the likes of Heraclitus, Laotsu, the Buddha, Plato, Pascal or Nietzsche, but I do not go within and find
nothing from nothing. Nor do I get something from nothing.
GC, do you really understand yet that the Universe is actually holistic in nature and that Love is the primevil force?
No, I do not yet 'really' (in the sense of 'fully') understand that the Universe is holistic, though I do have a degree of understanding which is slowly but surely increasing. I would, however, suggest that my understanding of the holistic nature of the Universe is somewhat better than yours as the 'secret governments', 'conspiracy theory' side of things fits neatly into my understanding, whereas you seem to view it as some form of aberration or somehow counter to the natural way of things.
And, no, I do not yet 'really' understand that love is the primeval force, though I am well aware of the notion/concept. Part of the problem is that 'love' means different things to different folks. For example, to the Orphics, Eros (the elder) was one of the first of the
protogenoi; Empedocles said that all things in the Universe are the result of the union of love and strife (attraction and repulsion).
Hindu and Buddhist texts are big on this subject also, whereas alchemy is less so. One of the reasons I like alchemy is that many of the old alchemists did not suffer fool's gladly. Another difficulty I have with this idea is that it involves one part of The One 'loving' another part of The One. If you 'really' understand love, do you love all these secret cabalists and shadowy world leaders who you constantly mention? Do you love Theosophists? Love in this context is
Which brings us to your quote in green which you describe as Theosophy dictating the cyclic nature of the Universe. If you actually read the quote without the filter of your prejudices you would see that a: it is taken from a book on Hindu philosophy (and Hindu philosophy predates Theosophy by at least 2 thousand years), and b: there is nothing dictatorial in its tone.
The links you provided are either rubbish or more supportive of my argument than your conspiracy allegations.
biblebelievers.org - please do not insult my intelligence with such modern Christian drivel. How does a list of Freemasons, most of whom predate the founding of the Theosophical Society, prove your points about Theosophists?
And from the link at msu.edu
[Jakob]Böhme, as I have detailed elsewhere, in such books as Theosophia (1994) and Wisdom's Children (1999), wrote numerous books detailing his complex and often arcane cosmology, but at the center of Böhme's appeal was his insistence on the primacy of the individual's direct spiritual awakening. Such spiritual awakening came under the guidance of divine Wisdom, or Sophia, and it is clear that the Rapp circle in Germany was familiar with the major German sources of Sophianic spirituality inspired by the works of Böhme, including the writings of Gottfried Arnold (1666-1714), arguably the most important scholar among the theosophers.
Again, what relevance has the fact that the books referenced are European, to your points about Theosophy? Have you ever read any book of Theosophy, alchemy, gnosticism, Hermeticism, Qabala, metaphysics, Hinduism, Buddhism, Sufism or do you confine yourself to low-brow, no-brainer websites? If you were to read such books as mentioned above, then you would find that they all basically have the same underlying message but that the method of conveying the message is adapted to suit the time and place of its telling. It is called the
Ancient Wisdom, the Sacred Science or, by the Theosophists, the Perennial Philosophy.
I have given up on reading books on esotricism by modern academics. I find it more profitable to read the original works and in any case academics generally don't 'get it'.
With regard to your revelatory chart: I have seen many such on the web. The esoteric literature which I read makes no secret of lineages and linkages to other movements and organisations. For example Renaissance alchemists trace the art back to ancient Egypt and the Egyptian Mysteries; and it is no secret that Plato was initiated into both the Greek and Egyptian Mysteries. Going back even further, the same alchemists frequently quote from Homer's Iliad, i.e. the Iliad is an alchemical work.
The link from endtime-truth.com is factually inaccurate Christian propaganda. For example gnosis is not the Greek word for science; Qabala is not particularly about the worship of anything let alone angels. As for "Kabbalism today utilizes angels, magic, and astrology in their occult system, attempting to control the destiny of the universe". Control the destiny of the Universe? Not the planet mind you but the very Universe itself. Per-lease. And what would the omniscient, omnipotent, almighty Christian God be doing while this bunch of old Jewish guys hi-jacked the Universe?
Here is a quote from one of my books on the Qabala:
We start with the archetypal, the world as an idea, a thought, a mathematical conception such as space, which contains all things. To this idea we add a creative impulse, and the world is endowed with a will to unfold itself and we enter the sphere of time, of thought in extension. From this unfolding emerges form - geometricity, or a multiplication of spaces, shadows of things to be. So far there is no materiality; only mathematics, numbers, and letters; symbols, of shapes which are still dreaming. Lastly, in these forms movement is
born and they become what we call substantial; then only do we enter the physical world of action - of materialized thought.
JFC Fuller - The Secret Wisdom of the Qabalah. Page 36.
Excellent book that, and one I intened re-reading soon. [As it happens, the pc I am writing this on is named Fuller as he is one of my favourite writers on military theory - small world isn't it?]
Your quote from the grailbooks link:
Theosophy therefore is more an orientation toward spiritual experience than anything else, and this is why there is a continuity in the tradition even though theosophers are each unique in emphasis. Some are drawn to Kabbalism, others to scientific inquiry, still others are ascetics, and still others are married and have a family. But none emphasize outward religious observance at the expense of inwardness. Rather, theosophers in general suggest adherence to whatever outward religious community is natural, be it Protestant, Catholic, or Orthodox, for what matters is one’s inner awareness and commitment to self-transcendence, not outward adherence to belief or social forms.
Ah those fiendish swine! Sufism operates in exactly the same way within Islam.
From the anandgholap.net link:
There are within man faculties of the soul which, if developed, will enable him to perceive this inner world, so that it will become possible for him to explore and to study it precisely as man has explored and studied that part of the world which is within the reach of all. These faculties are the heritage of the whole human race; they will unfold within every one of us as our evolution progresses; but men who are willing to devote themselves to the effort map gain them in advance of the rest, just as a blacksmith’s apprentice, specializing in the use of certain muscles, may attain (so far as they are concerned) a development much greater than that of other youths of his age. There are men who have these powers in working order, and are able by their use to obtain a vast amount of most interesting information about the world which most of us as yet cannot see. … Let it be clearly understood that there is nothing fanciful or unnatural about such sight. It is simply an extension of faculties with which we are all familiar, and to develop it is to make oneself sensitive to vibrations more rapid than those to which our physical senses are normally trained to respond.* (*Op. cit., pp. 9, 10.)
Ah, those black-hearted devils. Obviously the sooner your benign aliens get here to rescue us from such despicable evildoers, the better.
The theosophy-nw.org link has long lived in my IE favourites folder. There is a load of excellent and illuminating material on the site.
Thank you, but I have no requirement for a list of books on Eastern Christian Mysticism and the Western Mystery Tradition least of all from anyone or anything on aol.com. In fact I don't need any books on Christianity whatsoever.
Regarding science, magic, mysticism, and philosophy not being mutually exclusive, you wrote
Theosophy proves to you how mutually exclusive these subjects are because they did exactly that...put them together.
I shall be charitable here and assume you have misread exclusive for inclusive otherwise I shall be forced to conclude that you are barking.
‘Intelligence comes from the Mind?’….how does that work exactly? Our brain is constructed to interract with the Universe as a receiver and a transmitter, as is our DNA. The external Universe has purpose and its purpose relates to the exchange of Information.
Read Plato, he explains it much better than I can, but suffice to say that your mind is to your soul what your brain is to your body (oversimplification).
Try this site (which I got off StephanR):
Both sites provide excellent introductions/overviews to what Plato is about. Or search for Pierre Grimes on youtube.
If you think intelligence lies within the brain how do you explain the fact that there are functional human beings who have a brain that is stunted (under-formed) or in some cases virtually non-existent (little more than a walnut sized thing at the top of the spinal column).
I have stated elsewhere that I se the brain as nothing more than a transceiver and I am willing to concede that DNA is similar, though I have little or no interest in DNA as it physical and material and therefore of secondary importance in my view.
If as you suggest, the purpose of the Universe relates to the exchange of Information, what then is the purpose of the exchange of information? Surely the exchange of information is the means to an end and is not an end in itself?
Fohat, The Great Transformer? Yes, it just reinforces my point that all this is above materialism; it’s about the attempt to use Electricity during initiation to transform a Man into a God! When she stumbled on Electricity as the etheric energy, and combined it with the Ancient texts, she thought, along with many others, that the God-Man would be possible to achieve.
What point of yours about all what being above materialism? You are the one banging on about the brain, the body and DNA. I am the one going on about mind, consciousness and things metaphysical. Your talk of tranforming man into a god via electricity sounds more like Mary Shelley's Frankenstein than Helena Blavatsky's Theosophy. Have you actually ever read any Theosophy or have you only read other peoples' views on it? Theosophy, like all the interpretations of the Ancient Wisdom demands not only a lot of serious study and a lot of
meditation/contemplation but a specific lifestyle (in the sense of behaviour rather than diet or clothes). There is no shortcut. We are gods, we are only being human. Note the last part of your quote in green - "...through the self-conscious effort of man". Fohat is intelligent; it is a form of consciousness. It is not a 'blind force of nature' (there are in any case no such things).
I have knowledge of these Societies because, as you SUGGESTED, in order to find, one has to spend years seeking. The above-mentioned chart gives the extent of the influence on global politics, religions and cultures.
Perhaps you might ask yourself why you resist this information so vehemently?
You do not have knowledge of these societies. What you have is knowledge of what various websites have told you about these societies. You seem to be confusing the word 'seeking' with 'surfing'.
You seem to set great store by this chart of yours. I do not resist this information, vehemently or otherwise. What I am resisting is your oversimplistic nonsense. I am familiar with the Bilderburgers, the Carlysle Group, Opus Dei etc. But as I stated above, I can accommodate them into my philosophy or understanding of the Universe. Try to love them.
What is the difference between God and Baal? Is Baal not a god?
All these ‘isms’ are frowned upon because they are all inaccurate in their teachings about God, the Universe, plus they’re deliberately perverted to control people’s minds (and to encourage the worship of false gods and entities).
Not sure what these 'isms' are or how they got into this conversation. By whom are they frowned upon? In what way are they inaccurate about their teachings about God? How are they perverted and how do they control people's minds? How do they encourage the worship of false
gods and entities? What is a false god; what is an entity?
It all sounds jolly exciting, please do tell me more.
Mankind never needed to be saved because it’s Eternal. He just needs to remember that he is more than able to have a successful relationship with his God/Universe (which is not within).
I never for one moment suggested that mankind needed saving. When you say that mankind is eternal, do you mean collectively (a species so to speak) or each individual is eternal? What you are calling God/Universe is both without and within because we (mankind) are as much a part of it (God/Universe) as is a galaxy or a moonbeam. I did not say that God/Universe is within, I said that access to God/Universe is within. I did not mean to imply that this was the only mode of access, only that it was a mode that is open to each and all.
In any case what you call God/Universe is to part of creation it is not the Creator. In fact it's about the third step down. See the quote by Fuller above and consider:
Tao is hollow emptiness.
The substance of All,
it is absent of substance.
it is the source of the ten thousand things.
It blunts sharpness,
merges with dust.
Dark, invisible, it only seems to be.
It is the child of No-Thing
and the father of God.
I Ching 4. Bart Marshall translation.
After 4,000 years of seeking, did anyone discover anything accurate about our living, universal, God? And if they did, did they share it with the masses or did they simply pervert it and use it against humanity?
To the first sentence I would answer yes, and in turn, ask are you implying that you somehow know the correct way and have discovered something accurate about the living, universal God? Your second sentence is a false dichotomy, I believe. There are more alternatives than sharing it with or using it against humanity. Many of those who have attempted to share it with the masses have been killed by the masses for their efforts. Do you share your discoveries with the masses?
The truth, IMO, is that God is Everywhere (within and without) and that when you invite God into you, you become more God-like - more harmonious, coherent and loving (i.e. God comes to YOU). This, in itself, is magic but not the Philosophers Stone anticipated by occultists/alchemists.
I will accept the first part of this statement, it is not my way of
thinking but if it works for you then that is good (many paths, one Truth and all that). What I fail to see is the connection with the Philosopher's Stone of alchemy.
We may be part of The One and we may be connected but we are not returning to the Source…the point of existence is to experience as individual facets of God and to create anew, every day, as co-Creators with God.
Again, this is not the way I would put it exactly but if it works for you then fine. I see us as part of creation creating (but I'm not entirely happy with that interpretation). Your comment about experiencing is more or less the same as certain of the Hindu beliefs but I fail to see what an omniscient consciousness has to learn (via experience).
The reason I am posting all of this is to explain to you that the top echelons of Theosophy knew this! And saved it for themselves.
Horse-hockey. There is little or nothing new in the Theosophical writings. As I stated above, it is just a variation on the Ancient Wisdom, specifically the Vedic literature in this case. If you had actually read any of this material you see this.
Send the masses in the opposite direction WHILE YOU PERFECT WHAT YOU NEED TO PERFECT (your Godliness)! It’s the same with every single control mechanism created by humans.
Again I would ask what is your loving God/Universe doing while all these blackguards are riding rough-shod over the masses?
“When you go into the space of nothingness, everything becomes known.”
How does that work? How do you produce something out of nothing?
Who mentioned producing something out of nothing? You display your own ignorance when you read something like this literally.
I prefer Femto to Buddha or Socrates:
"Accept your station or embrace the mysteries. The “golden thread” has been kept alive for a very long time now. Approx 4000/7000 years ago, "gods" arrived into the hearts and minds of humanity. A few humans knew that it could not be the way it appeared. It was not that there
was no "God" but that the interpretation of "God" was not as they where told by the faithful. (The golden thread are the seekers who knew that everything they had ever heard about God was wrong)".
"I prefer Femto to Buddha or Socrates" - I rest my case.