Earth - Telluric Currents

[bboyer]

Posted: Sat Mar 01, 2008 1:07 am Post subject: Reply with quote
OP "mgmirkin'

Happened to run across these in a search:

(Electrification of the Atmosphere by the Underground Sources Causing Lightnings and Corona Discharges)
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2002AGUFM.A71B0104L

(Geoelectromagnetism and geodynamics: `Corona discharge' from volcanic and geothermal areas)
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1993PEPI...77...39G

Cheers,
~Michael Gmirkin
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[bboyer]

Posted: Sat Mar 01, 2008 1:44 am Post subject: Reply with quote
OP "Axis Monday"

Miles behind you lot on this thread, sorry but...

The braided-rope appearance calls to mind Birkeland Currents, as does the lower pic you posted. Wonder if the Morning Glories are Kelvin-Helmholtz Instabilities are Birkeland currents?

The Antarctic images above were cropped from the large original at http://rapidfire.sci.gsfc.nasa.gov/real ... 0.500m.jpg

I remember when researching Tesla that his Cannon needed to create an "exhuast cloud" I think it was described. The idea being it was either to balance out the energy or move energy from one area to another. It showed images like those and I had no idea as to what they were. Could they be the Glory Clouds I was looking at and also some Meteor reports? Not saying these are Tesla Weapons evidence, maybe just an explanation. The more I learn about the EU the more I believe in my belief of Tesla knowing everything is electric

This image (dark streak bottom left hand corner) in Australia looks like it was taken around sunset, the same as the following couple of shots from a reported Meteor in Welshland

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If they travel at 60KM/H would 2 or 10 minutes be enough for a small instability to cross the sky? Could the glow be a plasma glow mode or it stressing at the end.

For the report http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/m ... 31013.html

I noticed that in the Antartic shot and in the Welshland shot the higher clouds appear to be turning in a bit of cloud shearing. Maybe I am just hoping that is the case. It seems that the wind direction does change when a Glory Cloud moves.

Is that a Kelvin-Helmholtz Instability beside the Glory? Also in the top half of the image it appears the clouds are being sheared again and beside that area is it another potential KHI (bottom of the cloud bank)?

[bboyer]

Posted: Sat Mar 01, 2008 2:07 am Post subject: Re: Morning Glory cloud Reply with quote
OP "Axis Monday"

Oh yeah, speaking of Antarctic (Mt Erebus/Mt Terror) and oceanic volcanoes (earlier), ran across this 2004 MSNBC article:

LINK: Underwater Antarctic volcano found: Research ship documents apparently fresh lava flow

Signs of fresh flows
While large areas were colonized by submarine life, none was found on dark rock around the volcano itself, indicating that lava had flowed fairly recently.

In addition, dredges recovered abundant fresh basalt, a volcanic rock. It normally would be rapidly acted upon and transformed by seawater.

Fresh basalt and fresh lava together, having been created at the same time? Maybe just a different form of each other of whatever is coming up and turning into lava or a different electrical effect on its structure?

Fresh Basalt?

[bboyer]

Posted: Sat Mar 01, 2008 3:53 am Post subject: Reply with quote
OP "SeaSmith"

The question I have about the Plasma Discharge that caused this is did it start at the Gulf of Carpentaria then split off into 2 parts, one going to Adelaide and the other to Broome, or, was it 2 that joined up and went the other way?

Possibly relevant:
Recall that those exquisite Lichtenberg figures are etched in the commercial acrylic plates, not when the charge is introduced, but when the charge is suddenly bled off.
Lichten thousands of mountain tributory streams gushing to the river and sea.

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[bboyer]

Posted: Sat Mar 01, 2008 10:57 pm Post subject: Reply with quote
OP "mgmirkin"

Apparently Earth currents (telluric currents) aren't even an especially controversial thing!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telluric_current
Telluric Current definition

It even comes in handy in the geosciences!

Telluric Current Method definition

More material for the up-and-coming Thunderblog article!

(The planetary scale distribution of telluric currents and the effect of the equatorial electrojet: An investigation by canonical GDS)
http://www.springerlink.com/content/n457502756347907/

Cheers,
~Michael Gmirkin

[bboyer]

Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2008 1:01 am Post subject: Earth Battery and Ground Radio Reply with quote
OP "Axis Monday"

I had been looking for a map of those Telluric-currents without any luck and had strayed onto this stuff.

Bain´s Earth Battery, Electric Ocean, Stubblefield Ground Radio, Free Power from Electric Current´s flowing in the Earth, Tree roots power....

Hardly checked these people out or the hbci site but it all sounds familiar and so much information. To tired to select sections. If you got a spare half hour then might be worth it unless you are a Tesla nut or bored with that.

It seems there were a lot of inspired people around that time. Having discovered the EU I am now understanding Tesla stuff more. Before it sound like it should work but I never knew how he managed it, so I had to have some small doubt about all the stories.

I always remember my science teacher telling me we could harness the power in the air if we could cut across the magnetic lines in it. If only he had thought about the Earth.

http://chem.ch.huji.ac.il/history/bain.html

http://www.hbci.com/~wenonah/history/nathan-s.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nathan_Stubblefield

http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/Xplore/login ... 958781.pdf

Early proposals of wireless telegraphy in Spain: Francisco SalvaCampillo (1751-1828)
Romeu, J.; Elias, A.
Antennas and Propagation Society International Symposium, 2001. IEEE
Volume 1, Issue , 2001 Page(s):10 - 13 vol.1
Digital Object Identifier 10.1109/APS.2001.958781
Summary:Francisco Salva Campillo read in December 16th, 1795 before the Academy of Sciences in Barcelona the paper "On the application of electricity to telegraphy". This is probably one of the first suggestions on the possibility of wireless telegraphy, as it is recorded in the first books written about the history of wireless. An account of Salva's contributions to telegraphy and his proposal of wireless telegraphy is presented

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Despite being studied extensively, the Morning Glory cloud is not clearly understood. Regardless of the complexity behind the nature of this atmospheric phenomenon, some conclusions have been made about the causes of the cloud.

[bboyer]

Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 5:19 pm Post subject: Reply with quote
OP "StefanR"

In a strange way Ley-lines come to mind, hmmm
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[bboyer]

Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 5:27 pm Post subject: Reply with quote
OP "arc-us"

In a strange way Ley-lines come to mind, hmmm Confused

Yes, I wondered about that as a possible/likely relationship as well. Might be a productive study if done without any preconceived ideas about them one way or the other.

[bboyer]

Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 12:10 am Post subject: Reply with quote
OP "webolife"

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So perhaps the ancients were either inadvertently or deliberately setting up observation sites marking electrical discharge interactions with the earth's surface and the ionosphere? A finding of patterns of lightning strikes or thunderstorm activity over these sites would be quite provocative, n'est pas?
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[bboyer]

Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 11:20 am Post subject: Re: Physcial evidence of a Plasma Discharge event? Reply with quote
OP "Monkeydog"

It starts (or ends) at Broome which is a semi circular bay with lots of lichtenberg rivers coming off it, into a wide wadi cut into the landscape. At the top of the Wadi you see it moving off into the outback.

The current then goes down to the North of South Australia which would mean passing through Ayers Rock Area/Olgas. On the its path is Piccaninny, an impact crater.
The current then goes down into the north of SA where we find Coober Pedy, lakes and the Breakaways including "Salt and Pepper". If these are natural then please can a Geologist explain them.

Coober Pedy is famous for its Opals which are found just under the surface, like most precious Gemstones. The Opals (Diamonds, Gold, Coal etc.) have been created by an immense Plasma Dishcharge (Electrical Current) passing through the area.

It then goes up to the Gulf of Carpentaria. This has all the hallmarks of a PDE and quoting Wiki "The Gulf of Carpentaria is a large , shallow sea enclosed on three sides .... In geological terms, the Gulf is young - it was dry land as recently as the last ice age." The shallowness, I suspect, means it has been machined away like an impact crater and is it a Red Herring about it being dry before the last Ice Age? Do the Abos have any stories about its creation? Wiki says this "The end of the ice age was quite abrupt according to Aboriginal legends which talk of fish falling from the sky and tsunamis."

Near the Gulf of Carpentaria we find the 100km2 Riversleigh Fossil beds. These are found in the limestone and in caves. The area is also famous for its minerals and I think there is an "impact crater" in that area?

The other other branch mention goes from Birdsville through the Finders Ranges

Here's one such story, and how intrigueing it is in light of the above quote:
Available at http://www.cultureandrecreation.gov.au/ ... dreamtime/

The Rainbow Serpent

The serpent as a Creation Being is perhaps the oldest continuing religious belief in the world, dating back several thousands of years. The Rainbow Serpent features in the Dreaming stories of many mainland Aboriginal nations and is always associated with watercourses, such as billabongs, rivers, creeks and lagoons. The Rainbow Serpent is the protector of the land, its people, and the source of all life. However, the Rainbow Serpent can also be a destructive force if it is not properly respected.

The most common version of the Rainbow Serpent story tells that in the Dreaming, the world was flat, bare and cold. The Rainbow Serpent slept under the ground with all the animal tribes in her belly waiting to be born. When it was time, she pushed up, calling to the animals to come from their sleep. She threw the land out, making mountains and hills and spilled water over the land, making rivers and lakes. She made the sun, the fire and all the colours.

To the Gagudju people, the Rainbow Serpent was called Almudj and was a major creator being. It forced passages through rocks and created more waterholes. Today, Almudj is still a great creator, bringing the wet season each year, which causes all forms of life to multiply, and appearing in the sky as a rainbow. But Almudj is also to be feared as he can punish anyone who has broken a law by drowning them in floods. Almudj still lives in a pool under a waterfall in Kakadu.

The Jawoyn people, of the Katherine Gorge area in the Northern Territory, tell how the Rainbow Serpent slept under the ground until she awoke in the Dreaming and pushed her way to the surface. She then traveled the land, sleeping when she tired, and left behind her winding tracks and the imprint of her sleeping body. When she had travelled the earth, she returned and called to the frogs to come out, but they were very slow because their bellies were full of water. The Rainbow Serpent tickled their stomachs and when the frogs laughed, the water flowed out of their mouths and filled the tracks and hollows left by the Rainbow Serpent, creating the rivers and lakes. This woke all of the animals and plants, who then followed the Rainbow Serpent across the land.

At first glance a fair leap of conjecture, but if we apply the concept of major myths of a culture to be based on actual eyewitness accounts in the dim and distant past I find it extremely tempting to draw a number of parallels to the telluric currents phenomenon. It sleeps underground and tickles frogs bellies? Does a frog actually regurgitate water when its belly is tickeled with electric current? Now there's an experiment waiting to be carried out! Shocked
Seriously though, the image of a gigantic arc discharge machining channels and basins at the end of huge Birkeland 'cables' must bear some resemblance to a snake burrying its head into the landscape. A Rainbow Serpent no less.
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[bboyer]

Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 8:22 pm Post subject: Reply with quote
OP "mgmirkin"

Well, if one wanted to investigate some of these themes more thoroughly, one could certainly read Dwardu Cardona's God Star and the recently released Flare Star (or the upcoming entries Primordial Star and/or Radiant Star). Or Dave Talbott's The Saturn Myth. Ev Cochrane's books Martian Metamorphoses, Many Faces of Venus and/or the colorfully titled Starf*cker might also be of interest... Trying to recall if the world serpent, rainbow bridge, axis mundi/world tree, and dragon archetypes are discussed in Thunderbolts of the Gods, or not...

There are many archetypal motifs common to world mythology on various continents amongst unrelated peoples who have had no contact betwixt one another.

In any event, if it's true that many of these local stories can be traced back to a purer "world story," then it wouldn't be entirely surprising to find that some of the indigenous stories would have root in the worldwide archetypes as a mythological catalog of some kind of ancient catastrophes. But, that's probably a discussion for another day and forum. I hear rumblings that a mythology section of the forum might be in the offing, but it might also be heavily moderated and preferably leaning toward scholarly inquiry into or discourse upon the archetypes, and not simply wild / wooly ad hoc stuff about one person's particular take on one particular local legend. In the particulars, things can become muddled. It's only in the cross-cultural archetypes and specific points of agreement that the larger picture takes shape. Particulars and specific "adaptations" of the mythic archetypes (which may have been gleaned from auroral or other configurations in the ancient sky that are no longer seen today) may add details or local interpretations that do not necessarily represent the "actuality" insomuch as a localized re-imagination of the original (to bring things a bit closer to home, as it were; even if they were quite far removed in the original version).

But anyway, as I said, as topic for another day, I think.

~Michael
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[bboyer]

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[StefanR]

Unidentified Atmospheric Phenomena
Seeing the light
In the light of the recently revealed Condign Report – with its talk of unidentified atmospheric phenomena – Paul Devereux celebrates the ‘Cinderella’ of UFO research, and traces the evolution in our understanding of ‘earth lights’ and other luminous mysteries.
The heroic investigative efforts of Dr David Clarke and colleagues have revealed the Condign Report, a weighty internal document prepared for the British Ministry of Defence in 2000 (FT211:4–6). It concludes that, though UFOs are not alien spaceships, some sightings do relate to “Unidentified Atmospheric Phenomena” (UAPs), a term first coined by UFO researcher Jenny Randles. It also cites the term “earth lights”, which I coined to describe the same range of phenomena.

.........

First Glimpses

One of the earliest modern investigators to raise awareness of earth lights was, of course, Charles Fort. In assembling his compendious record of unusual events, Fort began to spy possible connections that virtually no one before him had the range of data or wit to perceive. He linked strange aerial lights with earthquakes, predating modern geological ideas of “earthquake lights” (EQLs). For example, he drew attention (New Lands, 1923) to the December 1896 earthquake in the Hereford – Worcester region of Britain. He found reports describing such effects as “a great blaze” in the sky and a flying “luminous object” coincident with the quake. Fort acidly commented that “the conventional scientist” of his day had a “reluctance toward considering shocks of this earth and phenomena in the sky at the same time”.

This is a long text , with a lot of anecdotal evidence that will not seem strange at all. Or does it?
http://www.forteantimes.com/features/articles/58/unidentified_atmospheric_phenomena.html

[MGmirkin]

Getting back to the topic of "telluric currents," I wandered across a couple more notes on the topic at science-frontiers.com

(Huge Underground Electrical Circuit)
http://www.science-frontiers.com/sf054/sf054g13.htm

"Geophysicists from the Department of Earth Sciences and the Bureau of Mineral Resources have discovered part of a huge underground circuit near Broken Hill (Australia), which contains electric currents of more than a million amps.

"The currents are spread too thinly for power production, but their existence helps account for problems experienced generally in interpreting the magnetic data used to produce geological maps.

"The circuit was found using a sensor which detects fluctuating electric fields in the earth's crust. These are created in response to electrical events, such as thunderstorms and the movement of dissolved salts in artesian water."

("Scientists Discover Huge Underground Circuit," Monash Review, p. 10, December 1986, Cr. R.E. Molnar, The Monash Review is an Australian publication.)

Comment. Could it be that a portion of the earth's "permanent" magnetic field is likewise generated by internal electrical currents? Are the ponderously moving internal convection cells and widely accepted dynamo effect really necessary? In other words, could our planet be a huge natural battery based upon geochemical differences?

(Subterranean Electric Currents)
http://www.science-frontiers.com/sf036/sf036p11.htm

We have little appreciation of the immense electrical currents that flow through the rock formations beneath our feet. These "telluric" currents are primarily those induced by the earth's changing magnetic field, as it is affected by the solar wind. Telluric cur-rents do not flow uniformly through the earth's crust. Rather, they seek out low resistance rocks, in accordance with Ohm's Law. Such current concentrations can be detected at the surface with magnetometers.

The present paper announces the discovery of a regional telluric current flowing in the vicinity of the San Francisco Peaks volcanic field in Arizona. The shallow part of the current flows in an unidentifiable "geoelectrical" structure not more than 10 kilometers below the surface. There are no surface hints as to what this geoelectrical structure could be.

(Towle, James N.; "The Anomalous Geomagnetic Variation Field and Geoelectric Structure Associated with the Mesa Butte Fault System, Arizona," Geological Society of America, Bulletin, 95:221, 1984.)

Comment. Similar anomalous magnetic fields exist in many areas, indicating a vast subterranean system of poorly understood geoelectrical structures. Some of the channeled earth currents are man-made, being the return paths in electrical power transmission systems. The return paths may be far-removed from the actual power lines because they tend to follow the geoelectrical structures.

(Powerful Earth Current Enters North America From The Pacific)
http://www.science-frontiers.com/sf024/sf024p12.htm

An immense current of terrestrial electricity originating somewhere in the Pacific enters the North American continent along the Strait of Georgia (between Vancouver Island and the British Columbia mainland) and shoots past Tacoma toward Oregon. The discoverers of the current, John R. Booker and Gerard Hensel, at the University of Washington, traced the flow of electricity through a narrow wedge of porous, water-bearing rock that parallels a fault line. Another branch of this terrestrial circuit enters along the Strait of Juan de Fuca. No estimates are given of the magnitude of the current; and there are no speculations as to the origin of the electromagnetic force driving the current.

(Anonymous; "Nature's Hidden Power Line," Science Digest, 90:18, October 1982.)

Comment. In some areas, large artifi cial earth currents are created by high-power transmission lines.

Cheers,
~Michael Gmirkin

[StefanR]

Geomagnetically induced currents during magnetic storms

The electric field which is induced by geomagnetic storms drives currents in technological systems, such as electric power transmission grids, oil and gas pipelines, telecommunication cables, and railway equipment. These geomagnetically induced currents (GIC) cause problems to the systems. In power grids, transformers may be saturated due to GIC resulting in harmful effects and possibly even to a collapse of the whole system, as occurred in Quebec in March 1989. Transformers may also suffer from permanent damage. In buried pipelines, GIC can enhance corrosion and interfere with corrosion control surveys. Telecommunication systems as well as railway equipment may also malfunction due to GIC. The electric and magnetic fields observed at the Earth's surface primarily depend on magnetospheric-ionospheric currents and secondarily on currents induced in the Earth. The physical background and modeling of GIC are discussed in this paper. Special attention is paid to basic principles necessarily understood to get an insight into GIC phenomena. Recent developments in the use of the Complex Image Method (CIM) permit fast and accurate computations of the electric field suitable for time-critical applications like GIC forecasting

http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/Xplore/login.jsp?url=/iel5/27/19507/00902215.pdf?arnumber=902215