And so how can we visualize the cometary orbit, especially re: the steep entry angle of 2012 ISON ?allynh wrote:This is a video mentioned in the Spiral Solar System thread. (Thanks to Native for posting.)
TRUTH! The Earth does not revolve around the Sun
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6jBK1ZV-qs
The video gets some things wrong, but the essence is correct. When you trace out the path of the planets and Sun as they orbit the galaxy you do not get the consensus clockwork orbits.
- The solar system is a swarm moving together.
Here is a related video showing the way the Earth moves around the Sun. The flaw with this video is assuming the Sun is static to the galaxy.
Earth's motion around the Sun, not as simple as I thought
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82p-DYgGFjI
When you watch the video, and see the Earth's orbit constantly changing, remember that it also moves above and below the plane of the Ecliptic.
Ecliptic
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecliptic Now this video is more like what I'm talking about. HA!
The helical model - our solar system is a vortex
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jHsq36_NTU
The only problem with the video is the conclusion of the "Vortex" rather than the "swarm" that it actually is.
BTW, in answer to "nick c" question in that thread.The Sun's angle of rotation compared to the Galactic Plane is 67.23 degrees. The Sun's axis is also 7.25 degrees from the Ecliptic.nick c wrote:Does anyone have any reference that could inform as to the orientation of the ecliptic with respect to the Sun's motion through the galaxy?
Sun
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun
- The video makes the mistake of showing the Sun moving in a path with the planets being dragged by the Sun.
Think of the consensus view of the solar system, with a disk through the Sun representing the plane of the Ecliptic. Now, twist that disk 67.23 degrees, run the simulation, and you would see planets moving before and after the Sun.
- You would see a swarm of planets and the Sun, rather than the smooth "comet" like image the video is proposing.
- You would see a Solar Swarm, not a Solar System. HA!
The important point of all this is for how the Team should dismantle the consensus myth of the Solar System forming from a disk of dust around a protostar. The myth requires a static model with the protostar in the center of the protoplanetary disk. When you show artist conceptions like this, then simply argue that it is wrong, you don't convince. The Team should create a video showing the reality of the Solar System as a swarm of planets moving with the sun. Then ask the obvious question of, how could a disk of gas like this form a Swarm System.
BTW, when you guys create the video, please oh please, do not have the Moon orbiting the Earth. HA!
I asked on the ISON comet thread if perhaps rather than the hypothetical "Oort Cloud" could comets have a common origin with the pro-Saturnian system? We are off-topic ... ....HELP!