celeste wrote:Yes, it's easier to see that if the electric field hit a critical value, a wave of ionization could spread rapidly through the surrounding cloud, eliminating all the potential absorbers. This obviously could happen much faster than the cloud of gas could be "blown out of the way". And it's easier to believe a wave of ionization spreadind at the speed of light, compared to their "the disk around the central black hole is rotating at speeds that approach the speed of light".
Right.
There is suggestive evidence for the ionization imho but it occurs within the Milky Way.
I usually presume ‘continuous currents’ interacting with the “molecular clouds” which this article refers to as “giant clouds of gas” that “seemed to disappear in just a few years”. These “molecular clouds” and their double-layers are a known facet of Birkeland Current interactions as revealed by a study of Sag A* in this doc:
A Trip to the Galactic CenterYou want to pay attention to how the electric current interacts with the double-layer ‘surface’ of the ”molecular cloud”. The dual vortex ‘tube’ is being looked at almost ‘down the barrel’ as its ‘tubular sheath’ creates the 'oval'-like “Circumnuclear Disk” and inner “
Mini-Spiral” at the center of the plasmoid known as Sgr A*. Throughout that doc the supposed ‘inflow’ or “infalling” of “dense molecular gas” is along the (EU) line of the electrical “scavenging” of plasma as it electromagnetically coalesces to simultaneously produce, what I consider to be, the ‘reverse flow’ of the dual ‘counter-rotating vortex’ nature of electricity.The beauty of this is that we also know exactly where the actual interacting electric current is:
The Double Helix Nebula: a magnetic torsional wave propagating out of the Galactic centreThe plasmoid forming Sag A* is the ’touchdown point’ for one of the Milky Way’s own supposed 300 light-year long Birkeland Current Filaments as it intersects a “molecular cloud”. ‘They’ve’ even named the specific “molecular cloud” (there are actually two) this particular Galactic Birkeland Current is interacting with i.e. "M-0.02-0.07" or simply the "50 km s-1cloud". I removed the references below:
Two giant molecular clouds (GMCs), M-0.13-0.08 (+20 km s-1 cloud) and M-0.02-0.07 (+km s-1 cloud) are known to be physically located at the Galactic center and interacting with the nuclear region (e.g. Gusten et al. 1981; Genzel et al. 1990) … Some authors have suggested that M-0.13-0.08 is feeding the CND. M-0.13-0.08 is clearly apparent in absorption against the 2 um radiation of the central stellar cluster; it must therefore be in front of the center. The nonthermal shell of Sgr A*East is directly adjacent to and interacts with M-0.02-0.07. The surface of M-0.02-0.07 that faces Sgr A* is very bright int eh [CII] line emission, suggesting that this part of the cloud is directly photodissociated by UV radiation from the central stellar cluster. –
A NEW LOOK AT THE GALACTIC CIRCUMNUCLEAR DISK: Tomoharu Oka et al
The above is free just click on the "Full text .pdf" link.
All of that tech talk is simply informing that rather large “molecular clouds” are being ionized by the infusion of electrical energy via Birkeland Currents. The “circumnuclear disk” is the ‘torus’ of the Birkeland Current interface and is known to have an ionizing 'surface'. So I don’t understand why the paper cited by the OP isn’t taking these things into consideration when they are known dynamics that have already been verified. Instead, the kinematics of “winds” and disappearing clouds? Well of course they are “disappearing”, they are being ionized ("scavenging"). Even though these plama-electrodynamical factors are highlighted they are smothered over with the paradigm of “black holes”.
But what does this have to do with the point made by Celeste? There are two types of photons:
1 – So called “Blackbody” photons. These are photons that are emitted and ‘shared’ between electrons within the framework of electrons ‘shedding’ and/or ‘absorbing’ kinematical energy.
2 – Ionizing photons (UV). These are photons of high energy level that actually “cleave” matter. They ‘disassociate’ matter into more primal ‘state(s)’. Quasars are known to produce ionization “fronts” in the IGM
Considering the above known dynamics we move now to “quasars” i.e. proto galaxies. The question is ‘Does a quasar present filaments intersecting with molecular clouds in order to ionize them, or is there some other way that the ionization is occurring? If there are no filaments then I’m going with a rather powerful electric field as the quasar possibly would not have ‘matured’ enough to go into ‘arc mode’ with Birkeland Currents.
These kind of news articles act as if the “molecular clouds” are like soap “bubbles” that simply popped due to 'gravitational infalling' towards a "black hole" and that is not what is occurring. It doesn’t seem to me that one can have such a thing when an intense plasmoid is involved. What is occurring is what they've already covered (ionization via the “scavenging” from the surrounding environment just as exemplified with Sag A*:
Ionization.
So, how does this occur with a Quasar since we already are seeing (the misrepresentation of) "molecular clouds" interacting with them:
In the Electric Universe, a quasar is highly charged matter under great electrical stress. One characteristic of a quasar is that its spectrum shows a blue continuum and very few emission lines. This is attributed to the Stark effect, which causes emission lines in a strong electric field to spread out in proportion to the field strength. Lines of lighter elements are spread more than lines of heavier ones, so a strong electrical field, such as would exist in a quasar, could easily smear the blue Hydrogen lines into a continuum. -
Falling Stars and X-rays: TPOD
Electric field
"Our laws of force tend to be applied in the Newtonian sense in that for every action there is an equal reaction, and yet, in the real world, where many-body gravitational effects or electrodynamic actions prevail, we do not have every action paired with an equal reaction." — Harold Aspden