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The Electric Atmosphere: Plasma Is Next NASA Science Target

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New NASA Mission (RBSP) relevant for the EU

Unread postby Corona » Mon Jul 23, 2012 2:01 pm

"The Electric Universe" -- A New NASA Mission

This article sounds rather interesting... (coming from a "mainstream" blog)

Beyond Earth's protective atmosphere and extending all the way through interplanetary space, electrified particles dominate the scene. Indeed, 99% of the universe is made of this electrified gas, known as plasma. Two giant donuts of this plasma surround Earth, trapped within a region known as the Van Allen Radiation Belts. The belts lie close to Earth, sandwiched between satellites in geostationary orbit above and satellites in low Earth orbit (LEO) are generally below the belts.

A new NASA mission called the Radiation Belt Storm Probes (RBSP), due to launch in August 2012, will improve our understanding of what makes plasma move in and out of these electrified belts wrapped around our planet.

http://www.dailygalaxy.com/my_weblog/20 ... ssion.html

Does the EU have any predictions in this matter that could be confirmed by this new probe?
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Re: New NASA Mission (RBSP) relevant for the EU

Unread postby sjw40364 » Mon Jul 23, 2012 7:26 pm

Don't know about the EU, but the data can only help. Although if the EU is not careful it will soon become the Magnetic Reconnection Theory that drives electric currents, not electric currents that drive magnetic fields. Don't believe that? Go to any forum for mainstream cosmology and ask what causes electric currents. You will be told changing magnetic fields. Then ask how magnetic fields are formed and you will be told it is color charge or strong force which has nothing to do with moving charges. Even though the definitions say exactly that. You will argue to no avail and only end up being banned for supporting exactly what their science says it is.

http://www-spof.gsfc.nasa.gov/Education/wmfield.html
http://farside.ph.utexas.edu/teaching/3 ... ode77.html
http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/top ... etic-field
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Re: New NASA Mission (RBSP) relevant for the EU

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Re: The Electric Atmosphere: Plasma Is Next NASA Science Tar

Unread postby plasmadragon » Sun Jul 29, 2012 7:23 pm

Is it possible that magnetism and electricity simply happen simultaneously, without one driving but with them engaged in a mutual exchange that gives rise to each other?
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Re: The Electric Atmosphere: Plasma Is Next NASA Science Tar

Unread postby Dotini » Wed Aug 15, 2012 3:47 pm

Is Earth charged? Maybe, but what is the Earth? Does the Earth stop at the surface? We know from previous posts that the Earth's surface is negatively charged. Does the Earth include the troposphere, the ionosphere, the Van Allen belts, the magnetosphere? Is it smarter to think of the Earth as part of a dynamic system involving the sun and the interplanetary medium?

The following post will help us to think about these questions.

The lightning we are all familiar with is generated in clouds by charge separation and electric fields. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/20 ... 140934.htm

Electrons are accelerated from Earth into the Van Allen belts:

When particularly intense lightning discharges in thunderstorms coincide with high-energy particles coming in from space (cosmic rays), nature provides the right conditions to form a giant particle accelerator above the thunderclouds.

The cosmic rays strip off electrons from air molecules and these electrons are accelerated upwards by the electric field of the lightning discharge. The free electrons and the lightning electric field then make up a natural particle accelerator.

The accelerated electrons then develop into a narrow particle beam which can propagate from the lowest level of the atmosphere (the troposphere), through the middle atmosphere and into near-Earth space, where the energetic electrons are trapped in the
Earth's radiation belt and can eventually cause problems for orbiting satellites. These are energetic events and for the blink of an eye, the power of the electron beam can be as large as the power of a small nuclear power plant. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/20 ... 202850.htm

Highly energetic electrons in the Van Allen belts are lost into the interplanetary medium during solar storms:

During powerful solar events such as coronal mass ejections, parts of the magnetized outer layers of sun's atmosphere crash onto Earth's magnetic field, triggering geomagnetic storms capable of damaging the electronics of orbiting spacecraft. These cosmic squalls have a peculiar effect on Earth's outer radiation belt, a doughnut-shaped region of space filled with electrons so energetic that they move at nearly the speed of light.

"During the onset of a geomagnetic storm, nearly all the electrons trapped within the radiation belt vanish, only to come back with a vengeance a few hours later," said Vassilis Angelopoulos, a UCLA professor of Earth and space sciences and IGPP researcher.

The missing electrons surprised scientists when the trend was first measured in the 1960s by instruments onboard the earliest spacecraft sent into orbit, said study co-author Yuri Shprits, a research geophysicist with the IGPP and the departments of Earth and space sciences, and atmospheric and oceanic sciences.

"It's a puzzling effect," he said. "Oceans on Earth do not suddenly lose most of their water, yet radiation belts filled with electrons can be rapidly depopulated."

Even stranger, the electrons go missing during the peak of a geomagnetic storm, a time when one might expect the radiation belt to be filled with energetic particles because of the extreme bombardment by the solar wind.

Where do the electrons go? This question has remained unresolved since the early 1960s. Some believed the electrons were lost to Earth's atmosphere, while others hypothesized that the electrons were not permanently lost at all but merely temporarily drained of energy so that they appeared absent.

"Our study in 2006 suggested that electrons may be, in fact, lost to the interplanetary medium and decelerated by moving outwards," Shprits said. "However, until recently, there was no definitive proof for this theory."

To resolve the mystery, Turner and his team used data from three networks of orbiting spacecraft positioned at different distances from Earth to catch the escaping electrons in the act. The data show that while a small amount of the missing energetic electrons did fall into the atmosphere, the vast majority were pushed away from the planet, stripped away from the radiation belt by the onslaught of solar wind particles during the heightened solar activity that generated the magnetic storm itself.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/20 ... 150958.htm

The outer Van Allen belt swells and shrinks by a factor of 100 according to the way it fits into the larger system of its interaction with the solar wind and CMEs, and with Earth. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/20 ... 143745.htm

In reality, where do the extra energy and particles come from? Where do they disappear to, and what sends them on their way? How do these changes affect the rest of Earth's magnetic environment, the magnetosphere? We will find out with the RBSP mission. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/20 ... 183418.htm

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Re: The Electric Atmosphere: Plasma Is Next NASA Science Tar

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Electric Atmosphere Probes Launched Today

Unread postby Dotini » Thu Aug 30, 2012 6:54 am

Today the Radiation Belt Storm Probes (RBSP) were launched from Cape Canaveral, Florida. Their very practical and worthwhile mission is to study the Van Allen radiation belts with the goal of protecting future space missions and terrestrial infrastructure from space weather.

Here is the solar/space physics back-story from NASA: http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/rbsp/ ... phere.html
Our day-to-day lives exist in what physicists would call an electrically neutral environment. Desks, books, chairs and bodies don't generally carry electricity and they don't stick to magnets. But life on Earth is substantially different from, well, almost everywhere else. Beyond Earth's protective atmosphere and extending all the way through interplanetary space, electrified particles dominate the scene. Indeed, 99% of the universe is made of this electrified gas, known as plasma.

Plasmas seethe with complex movement. They generally flow along a skeletal structure made of invisible magnetic field lines, while simultaneously creating more magnetic fields as they move. Teasing out the rules that govern such a foreign environment – one that can only be studied from afar – lies at the heart of understanding a range of events that make up space weather, from giant explosions on the sun to potentially damaging high energy particles in near-Earth environs.

To distinguish between a host of theories developed over the years on plasma movement in those near-Earth environs, RBSP scientists have designed a suite of instruments to answer three broad questions. Where do the extra energy and particles come from? Where do they disappear to, and what sends them on their way? How do these changes affect the rest of Earth's magnetic environment, the magnetosphere? In addition to its broad range of instruments, the RBSP mission will make use of two spacecraft in order to better map out the full spatial dimensions of a particular event and how it changes over time.

Scientists want to understand not only the origins of electrified particles – possibly from the solar wind constantly streaming off the sun; possibly from an area of Earth's own outer atmosphere, the ionosphere – but also what mechanisms gives the particles their extreme speed and energy.


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Re: The Electric Atmosphere: Plasma Is Next NASA Science Tar

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Cigar-shaped UFO's - Plasma "pinches" in the sky?

Unread postby PersianPaladin » Tue Sep 04, 2012 10:07 am

I want you to examine the following photographs (I have tried to filter out the fake and hoax photo's and video captures as much as possible) and tell me if your visual observations tally with mine. It is true that our senses can deceive us and that just because an object looks like something - it doesn't mean that it is actually that object. But there's another saying....if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck....etc...

Take a look at this video of a cigar-shaped UFO over Summerset, England:-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFkGkyw1 ... _embedded#!

Article elaborating on the sighting:-
http://www.latest-ufo-sightings.net/201 ... tline.html

Despite the people claiming that the dark object looked like a "metal object", one can get an idea that it may be far more etheric. Examine this snap-shot of the video:-

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_8RLOdlrA7l4/S ... y-2009.png


If you look carefully, you can see a twist morphology running along the axis of the UFO.

Why is it so dark? Perhaps an explanation could be found by considering the possibility that it is a compressed electric current which draws in air and moisture. This could result in a high-water droplet density causing more light to be absorbed. A similar colour can be found in some tornado filaments:-

http://media.knowhat2do.com.s3.amazonaw ... nado_1.jpg

Is it a tornado? Not neccessarily. Tornadoes on the ground have more complex morphologies as a result of the combination of thermodynamic and electrodynamic interactions (see my thread on tornadoes and t-storms).

I do think however, that the seemingly straight-line shape of these UFO filamentary objects comes down to them being the atmospheric equivalent of the floating-water bridge:-

Video of FWB:-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhBn1ozht-E

Notice how it doesn't really sag and become bent as a result of the force of gravity?

Here is a video of a cigar-shaped UFO over Brazil:-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDHJ8Y_JowU

I have personal doubts over the video and whether or not it is a hoax.

Here is another video which I think is more legit:-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYKnCGtX7qg

Now why would there be a voltage difference over such a short cross-section of atmosphere? Well, there wouldn't need to be. The Birkeland Current could actually run across a much larger horizontal section of the sky, but there could be areas where somehow the magnetic field becomes strong enough to compress the current and draw-in more moisture from the surrounding atmosphere and thus resulting in the dark filamentary shape.

Here is another video of a cigar-shaped UFO:-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nw-iz506M3s

This shows that the filaments do not neccessarily have to be completely straight. This one is clearly contorted.

A video of a cigar-shaped UFO over Lake Constance, Germany - June 28, 2012:-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CulNbX5mQDs

The banded-line morphology across the UFO is interesting. If you thought the photo of the Summerset UFO and its spiral lines was somehow an artifact from a shaky camera, then this video footage from Germany may challenge that initial dismissive suggestion. It's morphology is clearly present regardless of what the camera is doing.

However, if you're still not convinced. Consider the following:-


Photographic evidence (or video-stills) seem to be more compelling and widely available than the currently available video footage:-



- Daytime cigar-shaped object recorded in Florida on 13th January 2010 -

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_8RLOdlrA7l4/S ... da-BIG.png

Source:-
http://www.latest-ufo-sightings.net/201 ... da-us.html

An eagle-eye will be able to notice the uneven morphology of the object across the axis, as well as some apparent bands running around it.



- Daytime cigar-shaped UFO over Goliyanovo - Moscow, Russia recorded on 13th February 2010. -


http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_8RLOdlrA7l4/S ... y+2010.png

Source:-
http://www.latest-ufo-sightings.net/201 ... oscow.html

Notice the interesting bi-polar morphology?


Cigar-shaped UFO over north UK recorded in early February 2010. This was on tv news on 9th February 2010.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_8RLOdlrA7l4/S ... y-2010.png
Source:-
http://www.latest-ufo-sightings.net/201 ... gland.html

Is it just me, or can you notice a twist-morphology in this too? And what about about the lights? Are these plasmoids formed at areas where the azimuthally magnetic field compresses the current filament?


-- Cigar-shaped UFO over Japan in 2005 --


A series of Bennet-Pinches?

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_8RLOdlrA7l4/S ... n-2005.png
Source (same link as above).


Interesting tube-like structure (could be a plasma 'sausage' pinch?) photographed by a policeman in Palermo, Sicily in 1978:-

http://ufonauts.20m.com/14/14_p10b.jpg

Source:-
http://ufonauts.20m.com/figs_1e_2.htm


-- Cigar-shaped UFO above New York, 1950. --

http://ufonauts.20m.com/14/14_p10d.jpg

Source:-
(same as above)

These objects look somewhat too etheric to be considered as something designed by humans or extra-terrestials.


Interesting plasma "arrow" formation (from the same page):-

http://ufonauts.20m.com/14/14_p18_2.jpg
http://ufonauts.20m.com/14/14_p18_3.jpg


-- Cigar shaped UFO over Yuba City, California --

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_fovhRDRsH7k/T ... -10-10.jpg


http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_fovhRDRsH7k/T ... pd-con.jpg


http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_fovhRDRsH7k/T ... rpd-al.jpg

Source:-
http://lightsinthetexassky.blogspot.co. ... -city.html

What does it remind you of?

http://www.spacetelescope.org/static/ar ... o9738a.jpg


-- Hampton Bays UFO cigar-shaped red and white lights near airbase in New York photographed on Friday, 2nd July 2010. --

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_8RLOdlrA7l4/T ... 00/UFO.png
Source:-
http://www.latest-ufo-sightings.net/201 ... d-and.html


Look at it closely. Do you see the twist\banded morphology of a Birkeland Current?


-- Picture of cigar shaped UFOs over IN, USA in Sept 2010 --

http://www.search4ufo.com/upload/merged ... ch4ufo.jpg

Source:-
http://www.search4ufo.com/searchbetid.php?lookup=295

Another bi-polar pinch?


-- Cigar-Shaped UFO over Auckland, New Zealand on Feb 2012 --


http://i48.tinypic.com/fc1sp.png
Source:-
http://www.ufosightingsdaily.com/2012/0 ... d-new.html

You get the picture by now?


-- Cylinder/Cigar-shaped UFO Over Houston, 2000 --

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-3fYXKvB_yd8/T ... 2000-1.jpg

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-t5-gElr9Sk0/T ... hanced.jpg

Source:-
http://lightsinthetexassky.blogspot.co. ... uston.html



-- CIGAR SHAPED UFO - KIEV, UKRAINE - JUNE 2008 --

http://images.quickblogcast.com/3/5/4/6 ... /cigar.bmp

Source:-
http://alienufoparanormal.aliencasebook ... -2008.aspx


-- A New York witness captured a silent, white, cigar-shaped UFO on video at 500 feet in daylight skies less than one mile away on April 30, 2010. --

http://www.nationalufocenter.com/artman ... __2010.jpg
Source:-
http://www.nationalufocenter.com/artman ... le_340.php

Another bipolar pinch?


Thus far, it seems that at least some UFO's could possibly be explained by an atmospheric form of plasma-pinch.
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Re: Cigar-shaped UFO's - Plasma "pinches" in the sky?

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Re: Cigar-shaped UFO's - Plasma "pinches" in the sky?

Unread postby D_Archer » Thu Sep 06, 2012 7:53 am

Yes it is plasma, i thought this was common knowledge? (amongst people who know EU/PC).

It probably does not go for all the pictures, you have to account for satellites, shaky cam, overexposure etc.; the list goes on.

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Re: Cigar-shaped UFO's - Plasma "pinches" in the sky?

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Re: Cigar-shaped UFO's - Plasma "pinches" in the sky?

Unread postby PersianPaladin » Thu Sep 06, 2012 3:27 pm

I'm personally not happy with some of the video clips of alleged sightings in Mexico, as some of them could easily be balloons. So obviously there are caveats which must be considered when dealing with this.

However, the night-sky or evening shots of cell-like phenomena and filamentary phenomena are likely to fall under the category of a potential plasma explanation.

Of course, dealing with this subject requires considerable care as you said.
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