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The Electric Atmosphere: Plasma Is Next NASA Science Target

Unread postby Anaconda » Fri Jul 20, 2012 8:42 am

The Electric Atmosphere: Plasma Is Next NASA Science Target

(Yes, the above legend is the title of NASA's information release.)

NASA put out an information release dated July 18, 2012:

NASA wrote:Our day-to-day lives exist in what physicists would call an electrically neutral environment. Desks, books, chairs and bodies don't generally carry electricity and they don't stick to magnets. But life on Earth is substantially different from, well, almost everywhere else. Beyond Earth's protective atmosphere and extending all the way through interplanetary space, electrified particles dominate the scene. Indeed, 99% of the universe is made of this electrified gas, known as plasma.

Two giant donuts of this plasma surround Earth, trapped within a region known as the Van Allen Radiation Belts. The belts lie close to Earth, sandwiched between satellites in geostationary orbit above and satellites in low Earth orbit (LEO) are generally below the belts. A new NASA mission called the Radiation Belt Storm Probes (RBSP), due to launch in August 2012, will improve our understanding of what makes plasma move in and out of these electrified belts wrapped around our planet. [...]


http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/rbsp/ ... phere.html

Studying plasma and specifically making reference to electricity, could NASA be slowly moving towards a broader based perspective?

Did Don Scott's lecture at NASA have an influence on NASA's thinking? :)

And, here's the kicker:

NASA wrote:While the most immediate practical need for studying the radiation belts is to understand the space weather system near Earth and to protect humans and precious electronics in space from geomagnetic storms, there is another reason scientists are interested in this area. It is the closest place to study the material, plasma, that pervades the entire universe. Understanding this environment so foreign to our own is crucial to understanding the make up of every star and galaxy in outer space.


If you study plasma behavior, you must study electric fields and electric currents.

Hannes Alfven wrote:In order to understand the phenomena in a certain plasma region, it is necessary to map not only the magnetic but also the electric field and electric currents.


Sounds like NASA is taking Hannes Alfven's statement to heart.

NASA wrote:To distinguish between the wide array of potential theories – not to mention combinations thereof – the instruments on RBSP will be equipped to measure a wide spectrum of information. RBSP will measure a host of different particles, including hydrogen, helium and oxygen, as well as measure magnetic fields and electric fields throughout the belts, both of which can guide the movement of these particles.


Now, if NASA will discuss and study the electro-magnetic phenomenon, Double Layers, you know there is a quiet revolution going on within the bowels of NASA -- could that 'quiet revolution' already be happening :?:
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New NASA Mission (RBSP) relevant for the EU

Unread postby Corona » Mon Jul 23, 2012 2:01 pm

"The Electric Universe" -- A New NASA Mission

This article sounds rather interesting... (coming from a "mainstream" blog)

Beyond Earth's protective atmosphere and extending all the way through interplanetary space, electrified particles dominate the scene. Indeed, 99% of the universe is made of this electrified gas, known as plasma. Two giant donuts of this plasma surround Earth, trapped within a region known as the Van Allen Radiation Belts. The belts lie close to Earth, sandwiched between satellites in geostationary orbit above and satellites in low Earth orbit (LEO) are generally below the belts.

A new NASA mission called the Radiation Belt Storm Probes (RBSP), due to launch in August 2012, will improve our understanding of what makes plasma move in and out of these electrified belts wrapped around our planet.

http://www.dailygalaxy.com/my_weblog/20 ... ssion.html

Does the EU have any predictions in this matter that could be confirmed by this new probe?
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Re: New NASA Mission (RBSP) relevant for the EU

Unread postby sjw40364 » Mon Jul 23, 2012 7:26 pm

Don't know about the EU, but the data can only help. Although if the EU is not careful it will soon become the Magnetic Reconnection Theory that drives electric currents, not electric currents that drive magnetic fields. Don't believe that? Go to any forum for mainstream cosmology and ask what causes electric currents. You will be told changing magnetic fields. Then ask how magnetic fields are formed and you will be told it is color charge or strong force which has nothing to do with moving charges. Even though the definitions say exactly that. You will argue to no avail and only end up being banned for supporting exactly what their science says it is.

http://www-spof.gsfc.nasa.gov/Education/wmfield.html
http://farside.ph.utexas.edu/teaching/3 ... ode77.html
http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/top ... etic-field
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Re: New NASA Mission (RBSP) relevant for the EU

Unread postby Anaconda » Tue Jul 24, 2012 11:26 am

sjw40364 wrote:Don't know about the EU, but the data can only help. Although if the EU is not careful it will soon become the Magnetic Reconnection Theory that drives electric currents, not electric currents that drive magnetic fields. Don't believe that? Go to any forum for mainstream cosmology and ask what causes electric currents. You will be told changing magnetic fields. Then ask how magnetic fields are formed and you will be told it is color charge or strong force which has nothing to do with moving charges. Even though the definitions say exactly that. You will argue to no avail and only end up being banned for supporting exactly what their science says it is.

http://www-spof.gsfc.nasa.gov/Education/wmfield.html
http://farside.ph.utexas.edu/teaching/3 ... ode77.html
http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/top ... etic-field


Yes, sjw40364, that is the big push, to have so-called "magnetic reconnection" as the explanation.

Your tangles with Dr. Svalgaard at Watts Up With That? is a good primer for the strategy. I also have tangled with Svalgaard over at WUWT and the arguments by Svalgaard were similar. One suggestion, focus on Coulomb force between charged particles in a plasma and when "neutral" plasma is brought up, respond with 'quasi-neutral' because any plasma has coulomb force between the charges or it wouldn't be a plasma.

Dr. Svalgaard is the gatekeeper at WUWT, originally he was there to shoot down any argument that the Sun's energy output had an effect on weather, but since AGW has mostly collapsed, that role is diminished, but his self-appointed gatekeeper role for the general status quo in astronomy still animates his purpose at WUWT.

But as this post demonstrates NASA is looking at the electric field and electric currents. Remember, the Double Layer has been quantified by mathematical formalism. Dr. Svalgaard pushed you for a mathematical formalism (he knows that is the weak point for the EU), but the Double Layer has been completely quantified.

NASA knows the history as Hannes Alfven conducted a conference at NASA in the 80's and it is in their history.

NASA wrote:TABLE 15.3.1. Cosmic Electrodynamics.


First approach (pseudo-plasma)
.
Second approach (real plasma)

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Homogeneous models
.
Space plasmas often have a complicated inhomogeneous structure

Conductivity =
depends on current and often suddenly vanishes

Electric field E| | along magnetic field = 0
E| | often 0

Magnetic field lines are "frozen-in" and "move" with the plasma
Frozen-in picture is often completely misleading

Electrostatic double layers are neglected
Electrostatic double layers are of decisive importance in low-density plasma

Instabilities are neglected
Many plasma configurations are unrealistic because they are unstable

Electromagnetic conditions are illustrated by magnetic field line pictures
It is equally important to draw the current lines and discuss the electric circuit

Filamentary structures and current sheets are neglected or treated inadequately
Currents produce filaments or flow in thin sheets

Maxwellian velocity distribution
Non-Maxwellian effects are often decisive Cosmic plasmas have a tendency to produce high-energy particles

Theories are mathematically elegant and very "well developed"
Theories are not very well developed and are partly phenomenological


http://history.nasa.gov/SP-345/ch15.htm

The above quote is a table which can be seen in the NASA history link (copy & paste doesn't bring off the schematic). This table comes directly from the lecture Hannes Alfven gave at NASA in the 80's.

** very important, NASA acknowledges the Double Layer:

NASA wrote:FIGURE 15.3.1.- Electrostatic double layers or sheaths are often produced in a plasma. The figure show an electrostatic discontinuity produced spontaneously. The only function of the magnetic field is to keep the discharge away from the walls in order to ensure that the observed phenomena are not due to wall effects. Over the double layer a voltage drop is produced which sometimes suddenly became large (~105 V) and may disrupt the discharge.


I can't emphasize the above quote enough because the schematic which goes along with the above quote is exactly the same as so-called "magnetic reconnection".

The same electric field and magnetic field and electric current pattern!

The history of the development of "magnetic reconnection" is ad hoc with numerous competing hypothesis:

On another board, I had a discussion with saul, a scientist at NASA about these issues. In the end, saul retired without answering my points.

Anaconda wrote:So-called “magnetic reconnection” was developed in response to ground observations of CME’s, and, in the pre-space age of 1946, only magnetic fields could be observed from ground observatories.

The early “magnetic reconnection” papers all focussed on magnetic fields, but the magnetic field is only one force among many which also includes electric fields, charged particle density, location, velocity, direction, and points of acceleration.

As a result, these early papers never quantified the process and many disagreements existed among the scientists studying the process.

Other scientists applied an electromagnetic framework from the beginning of their analysis & interpretation (which had already been developed in the laboratory), these scientists applied the Electric Double Layer model, which has been qualitatively & quantitatively resolved.

And, this electromagnetic analysis & interpretation has been validated by in situ satellite probes.

Of course, Yamada, et al., doesn’t discuss Electric Double Layers or compare & contrast the two processes because if they did, it would be readily apparent the processes are one and the same process, with, albeit, different names.

It’s simple: The “magnetic reconnection” camp can’t admit the Electric Double Layer analysis & interpretation was right all along because then the game would be over.

Clearly, an electromagnetic framework of analysis & interpretation is required to develop a model for the process in question: Formation & propagation of coronal mass ejections (CME’s).


Dr. Svalgaard, as you know, is "all in" supporting Yamada, et al., in terms of "magnetic reconnection".

But NASA acknowledges there is a dispute and that "magnetic reconnection" is not understood.

NASA wrote:The problem is, researchers can't explain it [magnetic reconnection].


NASA wrote:"Something very interesting and fundamental is going on that we don't really understand -- not from laboratory experiments or from simulations," says Melvyn Goldstein, chief of the Geospace Physics Laboratory at NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center.


http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/sc ... 31aug_mms/

Dr. Svalgaard did his best to dismiss the NASA statements on "magnetic reconnection" in a debate I had with him over at WUWT. But the fact is that NASA knows the weaknesses of so-called "magnetic reconnection", while also knowing Double Layers have been fully resolved qualitatively & quantitatively in mathematical formalism, and that "magnetic reconnection" has not been fully resolved qualitatively & quantitatively in mathetmatical formalism.

In the present scientific literature, 'current disruption' is the term that identifies Double Layers. It is an active area of research.

The history of the development of "magnetic reconnection" is the evidence of how incomplete the idea truly is, as electric fields and electric currents were completely ignored because electric fields and electric currents couldn't be measured from land-based instruments.

Now, with space probes, electric fields and electric currents can be measured.
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Re: The Electric Atmosphere: Plasma Is Next NASA Science Tar

Unread postby plasmadragon » Sun Jul 29, 2012 7:23 pm

Is it possible that magnetism and electricity simply happen simultaneously, without one driving but with them engaged in a mutual exchange that gives rise to each other?
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Re: The Electric Atmosphere: Plasma Is Next NASA Science Tar

Unread postby nick c » Sun Jul 29, 2012 7:53 pm

plasamdragon wrote:Is it possible that magnetism and electricity simply happen simultaneously,
Not likely.
plasmadragon wrote:without one driving but with them engaged in a mutual exchange that gives rise to each other?
They certainly are two sides of the same coin, but if you cut the power to an electromagnet the magnetic field disappears.
all magnetic fields are actually generated by circulating currents
from:
http://farside.ph.utexas.edu/teaching/3 ... ode78.html

It seems to me that electricity is the horse and magnetism the carriage, but I for one am open to any evidence to the contrary.
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Re: The Electric Atmosphere: Plasma Is Next NASA Science Tar

Unread postby Dotini » Wed Aug 15, 2012 3:47 pm

Is Earth charged? Maybe, but what is the Earth? Does the Earth stop at the surface? We know from previous posts that the Earth's surface is negatively charged. Does the Earth include the troposphere, the ionosphere, the Van Allen belts, the magnetosphere? Is it smarter to think of the Earth as part of a dynamic system involving the sun and the interplanetary medium?

The following post will help us to think about these questions.

The lightning we are all familiar with is generated in clouds by charge separation and electric fields. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/20 ... 140934.htm

Electrons are accelerated from Earth into the Van Allen belts:

When particularly intense lightning discharges in thunderstorms coincide with high-energy particles coming in from space (cosmic rays), nature provides the right conditions to form a giant particle accelerator above the thunderclouds.

The cosmic rays strip off electrons from air molecules and these electrons are accelerated upwards by the electric field of the lightning discharge. The free electrons and the lightning electric field then make up a natural particle accelerator.

The accelerated electrons then develop into a narrow particle beam which can propagate from the lowest level of the atmosphere (the troposphere), through the middle atmosphere and into near-Earth space, where the energetic electrons are trapped in the
Earth's radiation belt and can eventually cause problems for orbiting satellites. These are energetic events and for the blink of an eye, the power of the electron beam can be as large as the power of a small nuclear power plant. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/20 ... 202850.htm

Highly energetic electrons in the Van Allen belts are lost into the interplanetary medium during solar storms:

During powerful solar events such as coronal mass ejections, parts of the magnetized outer layers of sun's atmosphere crash onto Earth's magnetic field, triggering geomagnetic storms capable of damaging the electronics of orbiting spacecraft. These cosmic squalls have a peculiar effect on Earth's outer radiation belt, a doughnut-shaped region of space filled with electrons so energetic that they move at nearly the speed of light.

"During the onset of a geomagnetic storm, nearly all the electrons trapped within the radiation belt vanish, only to come back with a vengeance a few hours later," said Vassilis Angelopoulos, a UCLA professor of Earth and space sciences and IGPP researcher.

The missing electrons surprised scientists when the trend was first measured in the 1960s by instruments onboard the earliest spacecraft sent into orbit, said study co-author Yuri Shprits, a research geophysicist with the IGPP and the departments of Earth and space sciences, and atmospheric and oceanic sciences.

"It's a puzzling effect," he said. "Oceans on Earth do not suddenly lose most of their water, yet radiation belts filled with electrons can be rapidly depopulated."

Even stranger, the electrons go missing during the peak of a geomagnetic storm, a time when one might expect the radiation belt to be filled with energetic particles because of the extreme bombardment by the solar wind.

Where do the electrons go? This question has remained unresolved since the early 1960s. Some believed the electrons were lost to Earth's atmosphere, while others hypothesized that the electrons were not permanently lost at all but merely temporarily drained of energy so that they appeared absent.

"Our study in 2006 suggested that electrons may be, in fact, lost to the interplanetary medium and decelerated by moving outwards," Shprits said. "However, until recently, there was no definitive proof for this theory."

To resolve the mystery, Turner and his team used data from three networks of orbiting spacecraft positioned at different distances from Earth to catch the escaping electrons in the act. The data show that while a small amount of the missing energetic electrons did fall into the atmosphere, the vast majority were pushed away from the planet, stripped away from the radiation belt by the onslaught of solar wind particles during the heightened solar activity that generated the magnetic storm itself.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/20 ... 150958.htm

The outer Van Allen belt swells and shrinks by a factor of 100 according to the way it fits into the larger system of its interaction with the solar wind and CMEs, and with Earth. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/20 ... 143745.htm

In reality, where do the extra energy and particles come from? Where do they disappear to, and what sends them on their way? How do these changes affect the rest of Earth's magnetic environment, the magnetosphere? We will find out with the RBSP mission. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/20 ... 183418.htm

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Re: The Electric Atmosphere: Plasma Is Next NASA Science Tar

Unread postby sjw40364 » Thu Aug 16, 2012 9:36 am

plasmadragon wrote:Is it possible that magnetism and electricity simply happen simultaneously, without one driving but with them engaged in a mutual exchange that gives rise to each other?



Not a chance.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strong_interaction
Before the 1970s, physicists were uncertain about the binding mechanism of the atomic nucleus. It was known that the nucleus was composed of protons and neutrons and that protons possessed positive electric charge while neutrons were electrically neutral. However, these facts seemed to contradict one another. By physical understanding at that time, positive charges would repel one another and the nucleus should therefore fly apart. However, this was never observed. New physics was needed to explain this phenomenon.

A stronger attractive force was postulated to explain how the atomic nucleus was bound together despite the protons' mutual electromagnetic repulsion. This hypothesized force was called the strong force, which was believed to be a fundamental force that acted on the nucleons (the protons and neutrons that make up the nucleus). Experiments suggested that this force bound protons and neutrons together with equal strength.[citation needed]

It was later discovered that protons and neutrons were not fundamental particles, but were made up of constituent particles called quarks. The strong attraction between nucleons was the side-effect of a more fundamental force that bound the quarks together in the protons and neutrons. The theory of quantum chromodynamics explains that quarks carry what is called a color charge, although it has no relation to visible color.[3] Quarks with unlike color charge attract one another as a result of the strong interaction, which is mediated by particles called gluons.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spin_%28physics%29
"Composite particles also possess magnetic moments associated with their spin. In particular, the neutron possesses a non-zero magnetic moment despite being electrically neutral. This fact was an early indication that the neutron is not an elementary particle. In fact, it is made up of quarks, which are electrically charged particles. The magnetic moment of the neutron comes from the spins of the individual quarks and their orbital motions."


So they know that to have magnetic moments particles must possess charge, and this charge interacting with other charges creates the magnetic moment.

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http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/top ... etic-field

Yah Anaconda, but he is an idiot that does nothing but parrot what he has been told. No orginal thoughts ever course through his head. They know that only moving charges create magnetic fields, but then refuse to admit to that fact. They do not want to admit that every theory of theirs for the last 100 years is based on their refusal to accept electric forces in the universe and is therefore wrong.
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Electric Atmosphere Probes Launched Today

Unread postby Dotini » Thu Aug 30, 2012 6:54 am

Today the Radiation Belt Storm Probes (RBSP) were launched from Cape Canaveral, Florida. Their very practical and worthwhile mission is to study the Van Allen radiation belts with the goal of protecting future space missions and terrestrial infrastructure from space weather.

Here is the solar/space physics back-story from NASA: http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/rbsp/ ... phere.html
Our day-to-day lives exist in what physicists would call an electrically neutral environment. Desks, books, chairs and bodies don't generally carry electricity and they don't stick to magnets. But life on Earth is substantially different from, well, almost everywhere else. Beyond Earth's protective atmosphere and extending all the way through interplanetary space, electrified particles dominate the scene. Indeed, 99% of the universe is made of this electrified gas, known as plasma.

Plasmas seethe with complex movement. They generally flow along a skeletal structure made of invisible magnetic field lines, while simultaneously creating more magnetic fields as they move. Teasing out the rules that govern such a foreign environment – one that can only be studied from afar – lies at the heart of understanding a range of events that make up space weather, from giant explosions on the sun to potentially damaging high energy particles in near-Earth environs.

To distinguish between a host of theories developed over the years on plasma movement in those near-Earth environs, RBSP scientists have designed a suite of instruments to answer three broad questions. Where do the extra energy and particles come from? Where do they disappear to, and what sends them on their way? How do these changes affect the rest of Earth's magnetic environment, the magnetosphere? In addition to its broad range of instruments, the RBSP mission will make use of two spacecraft in order to better map out the full spatial dimensions of a particular event and how it changes over time.

Scientists want to understand not only the origins of electrified particles – possibly from the solar wind constantly streaming off the sun; possibly from an area of Earth's own outer atmosphere, the ionosphere – but also what mechanisms gives the particles their extreme speed and energy.


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Re: The Electric Atmosphere: Plasma Is Next NASA Science Tar

Unread postby kiwi » Sun Sep 02, 2012 7:15 pm

plasmadragon wrote:Is it possible that magnetism and electricity simply happen simultaneously, without one driving but with them engaged in a mutual exchange that gives rise to each other?



Maxwell’s formulation, however, eliminated consideration of the angular component of the force between current elements. It also removed the most fundamental of Ampère’s assumptions—the unity of electricity and magnetism—by introducing the concept of a magnetic field. There is no magnetic field in any of the writings of Ampère, nor of his successors in electrodynamics, Carl Friedrich Gauss, Wilhelm Weber, and Bernhard Riemann. Magnetism, for them, is considered an epiphenomenon of electricity; it is the force of electrodynamic attraction or repulsion acting between circuits of electricity, called magnetic molecules (and which came to be known later as electrons).
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Cigar-shaped UFO's - Plasma "pinches" in the sky?

Unread postby PersianPaladin » Tue Sep 04, 2012 10:07 am

I want you to examine the following photographs (I have tried to filter out the fake and hoax photo's and video captures as much as possible) and tell me if your visual observations tally with mine. It is true that our senses can deceive us and that just because an object looks like something - it doesn't mean that it is actually that object. But there's another saying....if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck....etc...

Take a look at this video of a cigar-shaped UFO over Summerset, England:-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFkGkyw1 ... _embedded#!

Article elaborating on the sighting:-
http://www.latest-ufo-sightings.net/201 ... tline.html

Despite the people claiming that the dark object looked like a "metal object", one can get an idea that it may be far more etheric. Examine this snap-shot of the video:-

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_8RLOdlrA7l4/S ... y-2009.png


If you look carefully, you can see a twist morphology running along the axis of the UFO.

Why is it so dark? Perhaps an explanation could be found by considering the possibility that it is a compressed electric current which draws in air and moisture. This could result in a high-water droplet density causing more light to be absorbed. A similar colour can be found in some tornado filaments:-

http://media.knowhat2do.com.s3.amazonaw ... nado_1.jpg

Is it a tornado? Not neccessarily. Tornadoes on the ground have more complex morphologies as a result of the combination of thermodynamic and electrodynamic interactions (see my thread on tornadoes and t-storms).

I do think however, that the seemingly straight-line shape of these UFO filamentary objects comes down to them being the atmospheric equivalent of the floating-water bridge:-

Video of FWB:-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhBn1ozht-E

Notice how it doesn't really sag and become bent as a result of the force of gravity?

Here is a video of a cigar-shaped UFO over Brazil:-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDHJ8Y_JowU

I have personal doubts over the video and whether or not it is a hoax.

Here is another video which I think is more legit:-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYKnCGtX7qg

Now why would there be a voltage difference over such a short cross-section of atmosphere? Well, there wouldn't need to be. The Birkeland Current could actually run across a much larger horizontal section of the sky, but there could be areas where somehow the magnetic field becomes strong enough to compress the current and draw-in more moisture from the surrounding atmosphere and thus resulting in the dark filamentary shape.

Here is another video of a cigar-shaped UFO:-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nw-iz506M3s

This shows that the filaments do not neccessarily have to be completely straight. This one is clearly contorted.

A video of a cigar-shaped UFO over Lake Constance, Germany - June 28, 2012:-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CulNbX5mQDs

The banded-line morphology across the UFO is interesting. If you thought the photo of the Summerset UFO and its spiral lines was somehow an artifact from a shaky camera, then this video footage from Germany may challenge that initial dismissive suggestion. It's morphology is clearly present regardless of what the camera is doing.

However, if you're still not convinced. Consider the following:-


Photographic evidence (or video-stills) seem to be more compelling and widely available than the currently available video footage:-



- Daytime cigar-shaped object recorded in Florida on 13th January 2010 -

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_8RLOdlrA7l4/S ... da-BIG.png

Source:-
http://www.latest-ufo-sightings.net/201 ... da-us.html

An eagle-eye will be able to notice the uneven morphology of the object across the axis, as well as some apparent bands running around it.



- Daytime cigar-shaped UFO over Goliyanovo - Moscow, Russia recorded on 13th February 2010. -


http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_8RLOdlrA7l4/S ... y+2010.png

Source:-
http://www.latest-ufo-sightings.net/201 ... oscow.html

Notice the interesting bi-polar morphology?


Cigar-shaped UFO over north UK recorded in early February 2010. This was on tv news on 9th February 2010.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_8RLOdlrA7l4/S ... y-2010.png
Source:-
http://www.latest-ufo-sightings.net/201 ... gland.html

Is it just me, or can you notice a twist-morphology in this too? And what about about the lights? Are these plasmoids formed at areas where the azimuthally magnetic field compresses the current filament?


-- Cigar-shaped UFO over Japan in 2005 --


A series of Bennet-Pinches?

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_8RLOdlrA7l4/S ... n-2005.png
Source (same link as above).


Interesting tube-like structure (could be a plasma 'sausage' pinch?) photographed by a policeman in Palermo, Sicily in 1978:-

http://ufonauts.20m.com/14/14_p10b.jpg

Source:-
http://ufonauts.20m.com/figs_1e_2.htm


-- Cigar-shaped UFO above New York, 1950. --

http://ufonauts.20m.com/14/14_p10d.jpg

Source:-
(same as above)

These objects look somewhat too etheric to be considered as something designed by humans or extra-terrestials.


Interesting plasma "arrow" formation (from the same page):-

http://ufonauts.20m.com/14/14_p18_2.jpg
http://ufonauts.20m.com/14/14_p18_3.jpg


-- Cigar shaped UFO over Yuba City, California --

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_fovhRDRsH7k/T ... -10-10.jpg


http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_fovhRDRsH7k/T ... pd-con.jpg


http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_fovhRDRsH7k/T ... rpd-al.jpg

Source:-
http://lightsinthetexassky.blogspot.co. ... -city.html

What does it remind you of?

http://www.spacetelescope.org/static/ar ... o9738a.jpg


-- Hampton Bays UFO cigar-shaped red and white lights near airbase in New York photographed on Friday, 2nd July 2010. --

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_8RLOdlrA7l4/T ... 00/UFO.png
Source:-
http://www.latest-ufo-sightings.net/201 ... d-and.html


Look at it closely. Do you see the twist\banded morphology of a Birkeland Current?


-- Picture of cigar shaped UFOs over IN, USA in Sept 2010 --

http://www.search4ufo.com/upload/merged ... ch4ufo.jpg

Source:-
http://www.search4ufo.com/searchbetid.php?lookup=295

Another bi-polar pinch?


-- Cigar-Shaped UFO over Auckland, New Zealand on Feb 2012 --


http://i48.tinypic.com/fc1sp.png
Source:-
http://www.ufosightingsdaily.com/2012/0 ... d-new.html

You get the picture by now?


-- Cylinder/Cigar-shaped UFO Over Houston, 2000 --

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-3fYXKvB_yd8/T ... 2000-1.jpg

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-t5-gElr9Sk0/T ... hanced.jpg

Source:-
http://lightsinthetexassky.blogspot.co. ... uston.html



-- CIGAR SHAPED UFO - KIEV, UKRAINE - JUNE 2008 --

http://images.quickblogcast.com/3/5/4/6 ... /cigar.bmp

Source:-
http://alienufoparanormal.aliencasebook ... -2008.aspx


-- A New York witness captured a silent, white, cigar-shaped UFO on video at 500 feet in daylight skies less than one mile away on April 30, 2010. --

http://www.nationalufocenter.com/artman ... __2010.jpg
Source:-
http://www.nationalufocenter.com/artman ... le_340.php

Another bipolar pinch?


Thus far, it seems that at least some UFO's could possibly be explained by an atmospheric form of plasma-pinch.
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Re: Cigar-shaped UFO's - Plasma "pinches" in the sky?

Unread postby PersianPaladin » Wed Sep 05, 2012 9:19 am

Are these Perratt instabilities hanging in the skies above Powys, in Wales?

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http://www.ufomystic.com/2010/04/16/ufo ... night-sky/

Is this?

BEDFORD � Bill Stephenson a MUFON investigator met with me and provided as series of photos taken by his grandson. .Four witnesses spotted a huge triangle at 9 PM, on Sunday, August 9, 2009, above I-70 with white bright lights on each corner. You could make out the triangle form very clearly. Its altitude was about 2000 feet above the mountains. Photos were taken, but the screen was blank. Thanks to Bill Stephenson.


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Video of strange object flying above farm caught with night shot video camera by George Ritter on August 13, 2009.The object was captured in only one frame of the video indicating it was moving at very high speed. It seems to have a biological or plasma aspect to it. Thanks to George Ritter


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If so, what are they doing there? Why are they in our atmosphere?



"CHICAGO --Looking over the western sky in April, I noticed a very small bright flashing light of colors. I grabbed my 8 MP camera with a 200 MM Telephoto lens and took a few shots. I did my best to keep still, but the colors are clear and the shapes are unusual. This didn't seem right to me when I checked these out on the computer. In the photo there are two samples of the same image. The top left is the original and the close up is about 400% zoom. Both are clear and beautiful. Thanks to MUFON CMS"

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Does this look like an alien craft to you, or a plasma discharge?

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Source:-
http://uforna.net/recent-global-sightings.php

Or this?

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FAIR LAWN � On August 20, 2010, we saw something utterly incredible that lasted for well over an hour. I noticed a faint light that seemed to streak across the sky. Newark airport is nearby but these were not planes. Multiple lights began to appear over the western sky above the tree line. These lights, although a significant distance away, were something that shocked me. Almost a dozen objects were moving at thousands of miles per hour in many different directions.

They were turning at right angles, reversing direction, chasing each other and maneuvering all over the sky. These white lights would also flash red or orange. It was as if they were in a dogfight seemingly interacting with each other. This activity lasted for over an hour with the lights disappearing and reappearing during their amazing acrobatics. I do have HD photos that show some strange streaks. I took the photos with my Cannon Rebel T1I EOS digital camera. Thanks to MUFON CMS


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DUNCAN, FUQUAY VARINA -- While standing in a friend�s front yard on July 2, 2010, I noticed movement and looked to see a single object darting above the trees. The object glowing blue would dart in all directions then hover motionless and slowly turn to a single bright red dot of light. From my experience in the army airborne, I estimate its altitude between 1200 to 1800 feet very rapidly. The object would descend at various speeds below the treetops. I have additional photos taken with a hand held Dimyage E 500 Konica Minolta. Thanks to MUFON CMS


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Worm-like UFO

I don’t know what this is, but I saw it hovering in the sky behind my house. It hovered in only one spot for at least an hour. It seemed to be appearing and disappearing, or fading in and out of view as I watched it. It was fairly far away, with the naked eye all I could really see were some unusual flickering lights in the sky. Actually it looked like 3 lights in a circle from the ground.

About 10 minutes after I first noticed it, I decided to grab my digital camera. When I enlarged the photos I took it was a real surprise to find these shapes in the photos, each taken a few seconds apart. In these photos it appears to be either changing shape, or moving around. Very strange!

http://freshnuts.wordpress.com/2009/09/ ... fting-ufo/

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There are clearly lots of other images and videos out there, of varying quality. Some are contested, others unexplained.

Regardless - the plasma explanation should be given some consideration; even if we don't yet have actual proof.
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Re: Cigar-shaped UFO's - Plasma "pinches" in the sky?

Unread postby D_Archer » Thu Sep 06, 2012 7:53 am

Yes it is plasma, i thought this was common knowledge? (amongst people who know EU/PC).

It probably does not go for all the pictures, you have to account for satellites, shaky cam, overexposure etc.; the list goes on.

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Re: Cigar-shaped UFO's - Plasma "pinches" in the sky?

Unread postby PersianPaladin » Thu Sep 06, 2012 11:23 am

D_Archer wrote:Yes it is plasma, i thought this was common knowledge? (amongst people who know EU/PC).

It probably does not go for all the pictures, you have to account for satellites, shaky cam, overexposure etc.; the list goes on.

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Well, the important thing is to filter out the less credible reports. I have not seen much discussion on this subject with a plasma context at all.

You'll find with the eye-witness reports and the camera shots that the movement profiles within these filamentary entities are clearly distinct. The photographer of the "worm-UFO" made it clear that the coherent filamentary movement of the object was not the result of camera-shaking , as the result of that would be a considerably messier image with a moving object (which was moving very slowly anyway). The video-stills and video footage also firm up the evidence:-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHQE94AErqI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xf3HCZ3Q ... re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjkMOk97 ... re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BTJqN7IyREI

In other cases, camera movements may give the impression that an orb is connected to a filament. But I have enough examples here to show that twisted filaments and bi-polar formations are clearly evident.

Also, what is not discussed among people in the Electric University community - is how this could even happen in our lower atmosphere. The actual technical circuits that would be required to explain the various phenomena and dynamics. The temporal existence of double-layers (at large distance intervals) from periodical propagation of charged particles into the troposphere should be considered - as the general electric field of the lower atmosphere is too weak to support this normally. How these electric fields are maintained and how coherent and small entities of strongly ionized plasmoids (that emit radiation in the form of light) can be maintained as they traverse the lower atmosphere. Lots of complex explanations likely await us, if people would care to go deeper. Certainly worth looking more into.
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Re: Cigar-shaped UFO's - Plasma "pinches" in the sky?

Unread postby PersianPaladin » Thu Sep 06, 2012 3:27 pm

I'm personally not happy with some of the video clips of alleged sightings in Mexico, as some of them could easily be balloons. So obviously there are caveats which must be considered when dealing with this.

However, the night-sky or evening shots of cell-like phenomena and filamentary phenomena are likely to fall under the category of a potential plasma explanation.

Of course, dealing with this subject requires considerable care as you said.
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