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Obvious Truth? Precession due to companion star(s) to Sol

Beyond the boundaries of established science an avalanche of exotic ideas compete for our attention. Experts tell us that these ideas should not be permitted to take up the time of working scientists, and for the most part they are surely correct. But what about the gems in the rubble pile? By what ground-rules might we bring extraordinary new possibilities to light?

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Re: Obvious Truth? Precession due to companion star(s) to Sol

Unread postby lizzie » Fri May 30, 2008 5:56 am

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Re: Obvious Truth? Precession due to companion star(s) to Sol

Unread postby rangerover777 » Fri May 30, 2008 10:57 pm

Nice animation of the earth’s orbit and it’s obliquity :
http://esminfo.prenhall.com/science/geo ... un_E2.html

A few questions and comments about the binary star theory :

1. If the sun have a twin, why not all the planets have similar obliquity and
precession and why the don’t point towards this twin ?
2. Maybe taking into consideration the way other planets behave, could contribute
to our understanding.
3. I agree with Dave Smith, that if we capture stars in deep space, why can’t we see
a star that directly influence our planet ? Though it maybe that this anonymous
star should not be anywhere within 30 degrees or so from where earth is pointing,
since even if earth pointing to this direction, maybe the star already changed it’s
position…
4. Maybe maybe Polaris (North Star) do have a role here ? I’m not sure if all option
where exhausted, in this direction.
5. By the way maybe we should consider an influence from the South pole direction ?
6. Maybe we are witnessing a Repulsion and Attraction at the same time. The attraction
tries to align the rotation axis (and the North and South pole line) to be 90 degrees to
the ecliptic plan, while the repulsion does not let it happen and keeps the rotation axis
at 22.5 degrees from it’s center. So maybe it’s both at the same time.
7. Another important point is to determine why the North and South poles are “wondering”
all the time from place to place, maybe it’s an attempt to balance something that have
to do with the precession ?
8. Also, we are too focusing on the North pole (which is important of course), but the South
one seems to play a less important one, for some reason.

Just thoughts,

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Re: Obvious Truth? Precession due to companion star(s) to Sol

Unread postby JoeTB » Sun Jun 01, 2008 2:23 am

What about checking for a star in the center of the circle that forms the wobble path?

I don't know if that makes sense... but if there were some kind of repulsion or attraction or something that made the pole stay a certain distance, it could circle the center ( . )

or if this is the earths tilt: / then it would be at one or the other end of |

just a thought
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Re: Obvious Truth? Precession due to companion star(s) to Sol

Unread postby seasmith » Sun Jun 01, 2008 8:56 am

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Re: Obvious Truth? Precession due to companion star(s) to Sol

Unread postby kevin » Sun Jun 01, 2008 9:50 am

I have great confidence in harold Aspden, but,
Instead of thinking that the earth affects the aether, why not think that the aether creates the earth, and causes all the known consequences?
Thus what if the earth is an electrical consequence of a flowing aether, it flows at the rate and direction that the earth is presumed to be moving.
That the earth and all its consequences ( us included ) are mere results of this method of creation and dissolvement, a creation that is constant, maybe thousands of times per second.
in other words momenterially no-thing exists, and that everything that is created is constantly been created and anialated.
The created acts then symbiotically with its creator, which results in all known and percieved phenonema, but it is not all down to the created, but the creator, the aether.

If you take on board this thinking, it solves many problems, including precession and how things appear to be solid and moving around each other, when in fact it is the aether movements that we need to comprehend.

This really needs a big step and a total throwing away of all we have thought we know, this is the hardest thing to do, it is akin to your software desperately defending itself.
The aether is no-thing, not nothing, it is the dual aspect of everything and everything is no thing that coalesces to form everything, and the whole darn thing is upon a structure of geometric brilliance where the supposed pathways of supposed moving objects are presumed to be moving on, they are not, it is our limited senses looking along the geometric pathways and been veiled against the true nature of universe.
And unless we recognise the true nature of universe you are banging your heads against a brick wall trying to comprehend something from the wrong end of a telescope, all things will be to scale, everything will be a universe in itself to scale, there is no mass or matter, except for that which is re-created momenterially and constantly alters as the variable inputs of aether all around a spherical geometric framework flux , we age because of this, constantly been created and dissolved , but each time fractionally altered.

IN MY OPINION.
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Re: Obvious Truth? Precession due to companion star(s) to Sol

Unread postby polarityparadox » Sun Jun 01, 2008 10:29 am

genius.....
Truth is higher than everything but higher still is true living.

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Complexity leads to perplexity and simplicity leads to Eternity.

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Re: Obvious Truth? Precession due to companion star(s) to Sol

Unread postby Grey Cloud » Sun Jun 01, 2008 10:53 am

Superb Kevin.
If I have the least bit of knowledge
I will follow the great Way alone
and fear nothing but being sidetracked.
The great Way is simple
but people delight in complexity.
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Re: Obvious Truth? Precession due to companion star(s) to Sol

Unread postby rangerover777 » Sun Jun 01, 2008 12:48 pm

Not that I have something against aether, I just not sure where is the beginning,
or how to bring it to life as an observation and draw the conclusions. Though I know
this thread is about precession, I’m trying to understand how the aether can cause
this phenomena.

Kevin said
“why not think that the aether creates the earth, and causes all the known consequences?
Thus what if the earth is an electrical consequence of a flowing aether, it flows at the rate
and direction that the earth is presumed to be moving.
That the earth and all its consequences ( us included ) are mere results of this method of
creation and dissolvement, a creation that is constant, maybe thousands of times per second.
in other words momenterially no-thing exists, and that everything that is created is constantly
been created and anialated.
The created acts then symbiotically with its creator, which results in all known and
percieved phenonema, but it is not all down to the created, but the creator, the aether.
If you take on board this thinking, it solves many problems, including precession and how
things appear to be solid and moving around each other, when in fact it is the aether
movements that we need to comprehend”.

So let’s assume that reality is being reborn at the rate of 10 billion times / second. How does
this bring us to understand earth’s tilt and precession ? Now, if we need to examine first the
aether’s properties and characteristics and then answer the precession question, then how do
we do that ? Or what “working model” or testing the aether do we have ?

It’s more or less like saying that the orbiting particles around the Atom are relatively far from
the core and actually the atom interior is mostly empty, so all of the physical reality that made
of atoms is mostly emptiness. Which is not wrong to say, but where do we go from here ?

Just a question.

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Re: Obvious Truth? Precession due to companion star(s) to Sol

Unread postby kevin » Sun Jun 01, 2008 1:48 pm

Rangerover 777,
We think,not easy I realise, I have been wrestling with this by myself for some time.
Asking myself if I am sane, trying to show to myself I am wrong.
It's a lonely old road, if you step out of the comfort zone.
It's why I have such confidence in Harold aspden, he knew he was stepping into the freezer.

I have an advantage, I can visualise all of this, I have driven myself to a standstill checking and better checking, trying constantly to prove what I detect false, thing is, I can't.
I am a simple person, not much schooling or anything, but I can dowse, taught as a youngster to find pipes and wells, never realised what I would find.
but I am following many others who have before, from megalithic sites to norman churchs, and more recently masonic lodges, others have known, others have stayed quiet.
I am beginning to comprehend WHY they have kept quiet, and its for good reason/s.
The power involved is the ultimate power, the creator and dissolver of all things.
In the wrong immatture hands as a weapon, well Tesla did say he cut split the world in two, I believe he could.
So I am thinking.
The time must be now, we must trust to ourselves, we need energy , not the ancient energy of today, but the free to all energy, we have no need to watch others starve, no need to drain the resources, no need to war and kill.
We have to learn to live together as one, we are all one, made from the STUFF of creation, it's right under our noses , in fact it passes right through all, and it wants to provide, no charge, no thanks, the only thing we have to do is recognise and embrace it.
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Re: Obvious Truth? Precession due to companion star(s) to Sol

Unread postby Solar » Thu Jun 12, 2008 8:29 am

"Our laws of force tend to be applied in the Newtonian sense in that for every action there is an equal reaction, and yet, in the real world, where many-body gravitational effects or electrodynamic actions prevail, we do not have every action paired with an equal reaction." — Harold Aspden
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Re: Obvious Truth? Precession due to companion star(s) to Sol

Unread postby Plasmatic » Thu Jun 12, 2008 10:30 am

Could we call "all that emptiness" dark mode plasma? Then everything is connected by a plasmatic soup, and isolated areas are dense focuses of plasma.. ;) :lol: ...Im only half joking.
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Re: Obvious Truth? Precession due to companion star(s) to Sol

Unread postby Solar » Fri Jun 13, 2008 2:42 pm

"Our laws of force tend to be applied in the Newtonian sense in that for every action there is an equal reaction, and yet, in the real world, where many-body gravitational effects or electrodynamic actions prevail, we do not have every action paired with an equal reaction." — Harold Aspden
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Re: Obvious Truth? Precession due to companion star(s) to Sol

Unread postby Plasmatic » Sat Jun 14, 2008 11:41 pm

"Logic is the art of non-contradictory identification"......" I am therefore Ill think"
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Re: Obvious Truth? Precession due to companion star(s) to Sol

Unread postby james weninger » Wed Nov 12, 2008 10:18 am

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Unread postby james weninger » Wed Nov 12, 2008 10:38 am

Also if our sun is moving through a magnetic field,should our pole point towards the source of magnetism? No.
Simple example;a compass does not point towards the center of earth,but lines up with field lines,perpendicular to earth's center.
With that in mind:
Earth's orbital plane is nearly edge on to the Pleiades (~4 degrees). If earth is charged,and orbiting the sun,that creates a magnetic pole perpendicular to earth's orbital plane. If Pleiades was source of magnetism,we would expect orbital plane of earth to be edge on to Pleiades.
Also, notice the point in Draco about which our earth's pole precesses is 90 degrees from Pleiades. Just what we would expect if our solar system was spiraling through Pleiades magnetic field
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