Do we have any confirmation of that? You know when waves align, very powerful things can happen.At sunrise on December 21, 2012 for the first time in 26,000 years the Sun rises to conjunct the intersection of the Milky Way and the plane of the ecliptic. According to the Mayans this date will mark the end of one world and the beginning of another.
The Mayans (and other ancients) were not aware of galaxies, in fact the first humans to understand the meaning of 'galaxy' lived in the 20th century AD. This is a typical modern (with a New Age mystical slant) misinterpretation of myth, attaching our own metaphorical meanings, when in reality a different celestial order is being described. The 'universe' and 'alignments' described by the Mayans (it should be familiar to those reading Dave Talbott's entries in the "Origin of Myth" forum) is none other than the Polar Configuration. The center of this Mayan cosmos is not the center of the Milky Way Galaxy, but the rather the pivot around which the all (celestial sphere as viewed from Earth) was centered. The great god governing from his stationary throne.This rare galactic alignment is referred to as the Cosmic Cross. It’s considered to be an embodiment of the Sacred Tree, The Tree of Life, a tree remembered as sacred in all the world's spiritual traditions.
the Mayans say from out of this tree/star alignment comes a serpent rope with an enlightened being named Nine Winds or Quetzalcoatl riding upon it and a blessed substance’ or ‘sap’ the Mayans called itz (literally ‘the blessed substance’) apparently spewing from it. color emphasis added
As far as alignment with the galactic center, whether we are presently aligned or not is irrelevant, the Mayans were not talking about galactic alignments!
"This rare galactic alignment is referred to as the Cosmic Cross. It’s considered to be an embodiment of the Sacred Tree, The Tree of Life, a tree remembered as sacred in all the world's spiritual traditions".
The Mayans (and other ancients) were not aware of galaxies, in fact the first humans to understand the meaning of 'galaxy' lived in the 20th century AD. This is a typical modern (with a New Age mystical slant) misinterpretation of myth, attaching our own metaphorical meanings, when in reality a different celestial order is being described.
Is that not a case of a 'typical modern' (with a Scientific rationalistic slant) 'misinterpretation of myth, attaching our own metaphorical meanings'.The 'universe' and 'alignments' described by the Mayans (it should be familiar to those reading Dave Talbott's entries in the "Origin of Myth" forum) is none other than the Polar connfiguration. The center of this Mayan cosmos is not the center of the Milky Way Galaxy, but the rather the pivot around which the all (celestial sphere as viewed from Earth) was centered. The great god governing from his stationary throne.
Why? I would be wasting my breath mentioning the mystical part of this statement but the philosophical is sufficient to prove you mistaken.Attaching superior mystical or philosophical knowledge to ancient man is wishful thinking on the part of modern man.
If I am not mistaken, Jaynes dates this development no further back than 3,000 years ago. This would the Maya firmly within the modern brain period. That consciousness does change over time was formulated by the ancients, it's part of their belief in cyclical time. Again that is in the Vedic writings, specifically in reference to the effects of the different Yugas.I personally doubt if the most ancient of those cultures were even capable of such comtemplations, as I believe that conciousness is by and large a post catastrophic and relatively recent development, a la Julian Jaynes.
Once more you speak from a position of ignorance. What you call 'New Age mysticism' has been around and discussed since at least the days of Plato. The notion of man becoming 'divorced from the spiritual connections to his environment' is also ancient and is mentioned in the Vedic writings concerning the Yugas for instance. It is absolutely nothing to do with Rousseau's nonsense of the Noble Savage.So what are the roots of this 'New Age' mysticism, that there is some sort of concordance of ancient wisdom beyond the understanding of modern man, who has become unnaturally divorced from the spiritual connections to his environment? It is the recycling of the Myth of the Noble Savage which in turn is the yearning for the return to innocence and the lost 'Golden Age.'
Yes some have believed such things and indeed some believe them still. Such beliefs are not however, part of the Ancient Wisdom or Perennial Philosophy.Some of the ways various cultures have expressed the destruction of the 'Golden Age', expulsion from the Garden of Eden, and the subsequent Doomsday threats, is that man is being punished for his sins, or at the mercy of the whims of capricious gods, rather than
realizing that he is just a victim of an impersonal natural process.
That sounds like a fair description of the modern world.When in reality, primitive (and/or ancient) man lives/lived (thru no fault of his own) in a brutal Malthusian world of self imposed repressive and ritualistic social institutions, tribal warfare, pestilence, natural disaster, and famine.
Oh, why waste your time acquiring technical knowledge that would be lost on a person such as that. Idiocy deserves idiocy; invent your own “God Particle” and cut into his “profit margin.” I could serve as your “fashion adviser.” I’ll give you a totally cool look that will prove once and for all that your “God Particle” is the best!I wish I understood enough technical knowledge to throw this stuff back in people’s faces.
John Calleman would agree with you:The Mayan calendar charts the evolution of consciousness of the human species, and this is not based on mechanical properties, ie celestial bodies.
Nick C said:What makes the Mayan calendar fundamentally different from other calendars in existence in the world is that its various symbols are reflective of the evolution of consciousness in the cosmos. This is in contrast to calendars from other cultures or religions that are based on astronomical cycles in our own solar system, such as the solar year or the moon cycle
Yes, WE don’t understand the “alignment thing.” Shame on us clever "modern" humans!The alignment is already here. Back in December, several planets, including Earth, aligned with the Galactic Centre. The thing about 2012 being about Galactic alignment is poorly understood, and is promoted as fact.
Well, what if the “wormhole” is really a vortex?Most readers here would agree that wormholes are nothing but a mathematical fantasy.
Nick C said:Hypothetically, based on the model of Universal Vortical Singularity, those 10 million super cluster of galaxies on their enormous molecular super galactic spheroids are on an ultra galactic vortex revolving around an ultra galactic center; the geometrical structure of universe is the paradigms of suspended spheroids and ultra galactic vortex in progressive order that have homogeneously interweaved.
The Mayans were not aware of the galaxies as WE would define them? Shame on them that they can’t be as smart as we 21st century humans!As far as alignment with the galactic center, whether we are presently aligned or not is irrelevant, the Mayans were not talking about galactic alignments!
Hmm! Some authors agree with you; others totally disagree with you. I believe this is called “different viewpoints” or something like that.When in reality, primitive (and/or ancient) man lives/lived (thru no fault of his own) in a brutal Malthusian world of self imposed repressive and ritualistic social institutions, tribal warfare, pestilence, natural disaster, and famine.
Acoustical Society of AmericaWere the Mayans aware of acoustical engineering physics/waveguides?
(If you can’t beat them; join them and bore from within!)Ancient Recording from the Mayans?
Clap your hands inside the Mayan pyramid at Chichen Itza, located in Mexico's northern Yucatan, and you will hear intriguing pulselike echoes emanating from any of the building's limestone staircases, even those in partial ruins. Archaeologists have typically dismissed these "chirped" echoes as an unintended design defect. Performing an analysis of the acoustical physics responsible for this effect, acoustical consultant David Lubman attributes these echoes to a "picket fence effect" resulting from the reflections of sound from the stairs. As Lubman points out, the chirped echoes seem to resemble the primary call of the Mayan sacred bird, the resplendent quetzal. Lubman will present recorded sound samples which show close similarities between the echoes and the bird sounds. Lubman argues that the simple engineering required to intentionally design this feature falls well within the capabilities of the stone-age Mayan culture."If the hypothesis of intentional design is true," Lubman says, "the chirped echo may be the world's oldest known sound recording!"
I agree.Having perused much of the Mayan alignment literature I have come to the conclusion that they were predicting the reinstatement of the primary plasma column in our atmosphere.
.This leads into a whole other domain of considering that ancient advanced societies have completely different interests than we, because their consciousness was qualitatively different
But this is exactly why I posted the thread on Dr. Dmitriev. These are “vacuum domains”. I thought he had provided the most “logical” explanation yet as to what the ET phenomena might be.Look at the series of this man's videos and judge for yourself. Mighty curious how these gigantic "objects" in near space can be captured with a regular video camera but nary a word is to be heard in the mainstream media about visible objects the size of , at least, the space station!
polarityparadox said:And I found, especially from Russia, a whole bunch of intriguing research that shows that there is a consciousness field. Consciousness is not just something in the mind — it’s actually the energy that goes into making matter.
There’s actually plenty of evidence to show — especially from Russia, where they call them “vacuum domains” or “natural, self-luminous formations”. Lots of people might call them UFOs without realizing that, in some cases, when you see these balls of light, it’s just another natural physical phenomenon that our scientists don’t really acknowledge.
Sometimes I feel as if I have entered not only the Age of the Apocalypse but also the Age of the Archetypes. I feel like a spectator with a front row seat. I am watching the unfolding of the Grand Cycle of the Ages. It's all happening before me now on the same epic scale that I felt when I read the ancient stories as a child. I remember the awe back then; I thought it was all so magical! Here I am now living in the "real world" as an "adult" and nothing feels "real" anymore.Suddenly you begin to consider that there is a hidden theme here that runs deep, the desire for the return of the "gods" with all their "plasma" powers.
Quite right, Lizzie,Polarityparadox said
This leads into a whole other domain of considering that ancient advanced societies have completely different interests than we, because their consciousness was qualitatively different
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I agree with that, too.
Perhaps then we should ask ourselves if we believe that the atmosphere back then was more highly charged.
Polarityparadox said:
Look at the series of this man's videos and judge for yourself. Mighty curious how these gigantic "objects" in near space can be captured with a regular video camera but nary a word is to be heard in the mainstream media about visible objects the size of , at least, the space station!
But this is exactly why I posted the thread on Dr. Dmitriev. These are “vacuum domains”. I thought he had provided the most “logical” explanation yet as to what the ET phenomena might be.
The reason the Maya were brought up was because the God Particle article of the op referred to their mythology.Firstly, the Maya were not that ancient, being somewhat contemporaneous with the Romans. And, in my opinion, like the Romans they were inheritors and adapters of a tradition not the inventors or instigators of one.
Here we disagree. I realize what the article in question was refering to, however, I see nothing about precession or the lining up with the galactic center in the quote. What I do see is references to a sky that was very different than todays...a World Tree, an alignment of stars, the serpent, ropes, the substance flowing from the God, and of course Quetzalcoatl; whose heart was torn from him and became the feathered serpent, which is associated with the planet Venus. These are consistent with the various aspects of the polar configuation. All these themes are repeated in other mythologies from around the globe.They were talking about the Earth and the solar system lining up with the galactic centre in conjunction with the precessional movement of the zodiac.
They weren't the only ancients who were aware of a galactic centre. The word 'galaxy' comes from the Greek and the Romans called it the Via Lactea.
Again I put limited value in chronological estimates. However, Jaynes did not hypothesize the simultaneous emergence of conciousness among all cultures. On p155-6 of The Origin of Conciousness In the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind Jaynes describes the Maya as "bicameral," and presents the case that they remained so until the advent of the Spaniards. However, I mentioned Jaynes only as a sidenote and in my own opinion.If I am not mistaken, Jaynes dates this development no further back than 3,000 years ago. This would the Maya firmly within the modern brain period.
How would you describe it if you were the one forcibly restrained and getting his heart ripped out in a pathological ritual? I would call it the brutal reenactment of the death of the God. What did the sacrificee think, was he okay with the situation? I say pathological because it is symptomatic of a sick society. I do not judge the Maya, any more than other cultures, past or present, if you read on in my post, I wrote:Your description of human sacrifices is you projecting your social values onto the Maya.
You do misunderstand what I have written. I am not putting our civilization on a pedestal and looking down at our ancestors as undeveloped and inferior people. Their achievements in engineering, art, etc are remarkable. However, they were like an individual who just received a blow to the head, staggering and struggling to remember. My point was that this sick behaviour is still with us today, we live in a world of genocide, threats to annihilate entire cities and nations, or worse. We now have the capability to achieve doomsday through our own efforts. We are the same as the Maya, we exhibit the same pathological behaviour on a larger scale.Not that I am picking on the Mayans, this type of schizoid behaviour appears in numerous forms in all ancient cultures. Doomsday fear, and brutal ritualistic reenactments of the cosmic drama of our past, are ingrained in our social institutions and still profoundly affect us today.
I agree, it is a fair description of the modern world...Quote:
Nick wrote:
When in reality, primitive (and/or ancient) man lives/lived (thru no fault of his own) in a brutal Malthusian world of self imposed repressive and ritualistic social institutions, tribal warfare, pestilence, natural disaster, and famine.
Grey Cloud wrote:That sounds like a fair description of the modern world.
(You didn't give a source for your quotes)
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