NASA Wiped Imagery of Comet Hitting Sun

[michael.suede]

Check out this video of yet another comet confirming EU theory.

This time NASA wiped the imagery from public view but forgot to delete the full file from their web server.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0hCg_2G8vQ

[mjv1121]

go here to see SOHO mpegs, with no missing data

slow and easy in a rather fetching shade of blue:

http://sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov/data/LATEST/current_c3.mpg


fancy a quickie, then choose hot and sexy red:

http://sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov/data/LATEST/current_c2.mpg

OR go here (this is the best, but may stress your connection)

http://sohodata.nascom.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/soho_movie_theater

select LASCO C2 or LASCO C3 (better), select Resolution 1024, put in a start date of 2011-10-01, press Search, then sit back and watch it frame by frame

Michael V

[tayga]

Really interesting. The scientific questions alone are fascinating but the 'editing of the data', if that's what it is, is just baffling.

Why would anyone do such a thing and make such a hash of doing it?

Of course, the Youtube video is now saved hundreds of times...

[mjv1121]

seems more likely to be a bit of site admin, rather than a conspiracy theory, the data is all there on the SOHO site.

Can we confirm that the object that moves across the view is Elenin?, can we confirm that it was striking the Sun?, and how does the "explosion" rate in comparison to others?.

If it is what it appears to be, you might have thought it would be rather news worthy - keep the conspiracy theory on hold, just in case.

Michael V

[Shelgeyr]

I'm really less than somewhat thrilled with how dismissive and patronizing "they" (in this case the person responsible for the sungrazer.nrl.navy.mil articles) are about Electric Universe theory... Regarding a possible Comet/CME connection, and addressing this big October 1st event, they've gone and posted this article: http://sungrazer.nrl.navy.mil/index.php?p=news/comets_cmes

Quoting from that source:

I'm lucky enough to be surrounded by some of the best solar physicists in the world, and none of them can think of a reasonable mechanism** in which physics would allow this event to be initiated by any comet, let alone such a tiny one.

So then if you jump down to see what the footnote is that he's included, you get slapped with this:

** I'm going to get emails from "electric universe" proponents for this comment. Sigh. I did say "reasonable mechanism"...

Well! Happy Expletive Deleted to you too!

But all is well, because then an old friend shows up:

Last minute update: Dr. Phil Plait has just posted a similar article to this, with an excellent video. He highlights one excellent point about this particular event too: in the COR2 movies (~12MB .mov), there are three CMEs that occur while the comet is in the field of view. Why would the third one be related when the first two certainly are not? So his conclusion is much the same as mine: a link is highly unlikley(sic), but it doesn't mean we'll rule it out or stop looking.

Our old excellent buddy Phil Plait hath spoken, scoring two "excellent"s right off the bat, so I guess that settles it. It is excellently settled! I mean, or course, aside from the whole "doesn't mean we'll stop looking" part.

The sad thing, of course, is that they HAVE stopped looking. Really. They dismiss, without cause or evidence, and from bias alone, an entirely feasible explanation, labeling it "unreasonable" by fiat. This is "Science!", not actual science.

When I was first made aware of EU theory, Plasma Cosmology, this site, etc., what I'm surprised to realize is quite a few years ago now, I thought at the time "these people are really onto something, and must be just on the cusp of acceptability - say 5 to 10 years out". Naive, I know, I admit it. But I'm beginning to think that after some aspects of this have been pursued for over a century, it doesn't seem to matter what the "truth" is, if it can be defined, because the search for "truth" isn't apparently in the best interests of the keepers of the keys.

So let's pretend (bear with me, I realize that "pretend" is the wrong word here) that EU theory is completely true.
How long does anyone think it will take mainstream science to come around to realizing this?
My sad prediction, for which I'd love to be and hope to be wrong, is "Never".

Because when you reject the real truth (and this dynamic functions no matter what the topic is), and then you keep searching for "the truth" without ever revisiting your base assumptions or hauling your rejects out of the philosophical trashcan, you will search forever and never find the real truth again. Why should you? You'd already dismissed it!

So somebody tell me - did I make it all the way across the ballroom with that wet blanket I just threw?

Sorry about that, but for reasons I'm not sure I really want to explore, the attitude of that sungrazer article just REALLY got under my skin.

[jjohnson]

This is another video example of a comet impacting the Sun, and a short period of time later (possibly about 45 minutes in the Oct. 1 case) a coronal mass ejection (CME) occurs on the opposite hemisphere.

I've never made a detailed study of the incidence rate where a CME follows a comet impact, but would be delighted to find someone had done a correlation study as how often those 2 events occur one after the other like this. Keep an eye on this, and if possible keep tabs on it. It may come up later.

Jim

[Jarvamundo]

Does anyone know of a datafeed of >that< image.... gif is fine... but we'd need every frame in existence.

Should be able to write an algorithm to detect an external flux "approach" preceding an internal flux "departure" within a time-period... and let'r rip to expose these events.

Or hey any sharp cookies reading this, take that ball n run.

[jjohnson]

Alex, if SOHO or other programs save their time-lapse imagery in FITS format, and it's publicly available (easily, that is, not stonewalled in someone's home computer or something) we might be able to obtain the raw data. I'll see if I can make some enquiries along those lines. Good plan; if I get any useful response, I'll get you involved. May be a few days, if ever.

Jim

[Shelgeyr]

My assumption is that you should be able to get all the images that are available by means of this form:

http://sharpp.nrl.navy.mil/cgi-bin/swdbi/lasco/images/form

Of course that "movie theater" that mjv1121 posted earlier is very cool, but I have no idea how exactingly complete it is: http://sohodata.nascom.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/soho_movie_theater

jjohnson, I hope these help but I'm not certain they do - did you already have that first link above and were still looking for a more complete archive, or do these fit the bill?

[Jarvamundo]

The format and quality of the image is somewhat irrelevant. We do not need calibrated flux measurements, levels, freq, etc, as this is only detecting and order of "events" within a time period.... it's a smart-er version of motion detection. A frame would just be normalised to the one preceding it.... kinda how moving picture compression algorithms work.

If you can find a collection of these images where your eye can spot the difference easily, then an algorithm can perform 'look-see' on everything to date, and hey even trigger on live events. That image in the OP is easily enough resolution.

all the data is layin there somewhere....

SELECT * FROM nasa WHERE event='pesky_comet' AND media_spin='coincidence'

Shelgy's jpgs aint far off the mark... i near crashed the server doing a query... something tells me it wont be happy when the entire catalog gets scraped.

[stickwhistler]

I came across this video the other day concerning sun activity, and 'the comet' features stronly in it.
Dr Keith Strong shows some images in the video, and interprets them as the comet remnants
turning away from the sun i.e. the comet did not collide with the sun at all.
If the comet was turned away, after getting brighter the nearer it got to the sun,
would this not indicate charge discharge, and possible fragmentation due to electric stress,
and repulsion by the sun?

http://www.youtube.com/user/drkstrong#p ... 5K0OvkgPTg at about 50 seconds in.
&
http://www.youtube.com/user/drkstrong#p ... NhDy_axoXg more comet stuff.

Dr Strong mentions ice in the comet etc, but nobody is perfect.

[601L1n9FR09]

I have seen half a dozen sun grazing comets with associated CME's or flares (not being one to know how to differentiate). I am not much for the slush ball theory of comets. I am sure there are some but I am leaning toward them being more an exception than a rule. It really seems to me that the sun does something wild when comets get close to it. It seems fairly frequent to my mind. Has any one else wondered along these lines? It also seems like every time it happens it is treated as some isolated incident that perplexes the mainstream observers. Being clinically cynical, I value real time observations of others in cases like this. As far as opinions go I tend to value those from members of this forum far and away above the mainstream. In fact I bet there is a thread with a lot of this already on it.

Cheers,
Jay

[sjw40364]

I came across this video the other day concerning sun activity, and 'the comet' features stronly in it.
Dr Keith Strong shows some images in the video, and interprets them as the comet remnants
turning away from the sun i.e. the comet did not collide with the sun at all.
If the comet was turned away, after getting brighter the nearer it got to the sun,
would this not indicate charge discharge, and possible fragmentation due to electric stress,
and repulsion by the sun?

http://www.youtube.com/user/drkstrong#p ... 5K0OvkgPTg at about 50 seconds in.
&
http://www.youtube.com/user/drkstrong#p ... NhDy_axoXg more comet stuff.

Dr Strong mentions ice in the comet etc, but nobody is perfect.

I agree, the comet never struck, never will, never has. It disintegrated as it orbited too close. No comet or asteroid will ever strike the sun due to the E/M repulsion, just as no electron will ever crash into the nucleus or any planet ever crash into the sun. The comet exploding in the ionosphere may have set off a CME due to charged forces in the double layer exploding.

[tayga]

More, real-life data is on its way to put further strain on the consensus BS:

Europe to lead daring Sun mission

Europe is to lead the most ambitious space mission ever undertaken to study the behaviour of the Sun.

Known as Solar Orbiter, the probe will have to operate a mere 42 million km from our star - closer than any spacecraft to date.

The mission proposal was formally adopted by European Space Agency (Esa) member states on Tuesday.

Solar Orbiter is expected to launch in 2017 and will cost close to a billion euros.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-15146082

[Siggy_G]

More, real-life data is on its way to put further strain on the consensus BS:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-15146082

The journalist's summary of "Dark Matter Mysteries" in the lower section of the article kind of comes through as sarcasm...