vatek1 wrote:As per my "definite" statement on 15000 years, Professor Robert M. Schoch, is rewriting the book on Geological dating using newer erosion methods in Egypt, and has studied Atlantean (named with a lack of a better term) Megalithic structures. .... Currently, new theories are putting the Sphinx age, in the Age of Leo, zodiacal dates are not precision but if the Sphinx dating by Schoch is correct, which many Geologists are believing to be accurate, the Sphinx age is in excess of 10000 years. .... I will have to refer to "Fingerprints of the Gods" for actual quote and his footnotes to the papers cited.
GaryN wrote:If this isn't a smoking gun, I don't know what is.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nE_rv6RO ... ure=colike
But were the engineers human, an older civilisation?
And what was the event that threw these blocks around, as seems to have
happened ot other sites where there was apparently advanced engineering?
Natuaral, or ancient wars? Something doesn't add up.
21 And his brother's name [was] Jubal: he was the father of all such as handle the harp and organ.
22 And Zillah, she also bare Tubalcain, an instructer of every artificer in brass and iron: and the sister of Tubalcain [was] Naamah.
23 And Lamech said unto his wives, Adah and Zillah, Hear my voice; ye wives of Lamech, hearken unto my speech: for I have slain a man to my wounding, and a young man to my hurt.
24 If Cain shall be avenged sevenfold, truly Lamech seventy and sevenfold.
In reference to your comment about advanced engineering and ancient wars what is this very early generation homo-sapien in Tubal-cain doing being an instructor of every artificer or craftsman in brass and iron... was Tubal-cain a skilled craftsman crafting brass idols or a military-type mechanic crafting brass and iron weapons, take your pick from the definition.
Was this knowledge being passed on from a much earlier and advanced epoch..?
tholden wrote:On the off chance you might not have seen this already, the new page at bearfabrique attempts to answer some of those kinds of questions:
http://bearfabrique.org/Catastrophism/P ... istory.htm
What Does The Bible Say About Any of This?
The answer to that one is simple: absolutely nothing. As near as I can tell from reading, including the Book of Adam and Eve and Midrashim in the form of Louis Ginzberg's "Legends of the Jews", Adam and Eve were real people and there has to be some meaning to the claim of them being the first people, but Genesis itself refers to people using metals and complex instruments while Adam and Eve were alive:
24: And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.
26: And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
27: So God created man in his [own] image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
29: And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which [is] upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which [is] the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
28: And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
4 These [are] the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,
7: And the LORD God formed man [of] the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
8: And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.
JaJa wrote:The bible does have a great deal of info... if you turn to chapter 1 and verse 24 of Genesis:-24: And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so...
tholden wrote:Again chapter 4 of Genesis (Tubalcain) indicates that iron and brass were being used in the lifetime of Adam and Eve and the Bible generally does not know anything about an age of stone implements or, for that matter, a neolithic world war against shaggy monsters (Neanderthals) or in fact even atlatls
1: In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
It may be that the people of Genesis were the same racial stock as Cro Magnons but otherwise unrelated to them i.e. got here a bit later than the Cro Magnons
1: And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD.
25: And Adam knew his wife again; and she bare a son, and called his name Seth: For God, [said she], hath appointed me another seed instead of Abel, whom Cain slew.
17: So Abraham prayed unto God: and God healed Abimelech, and his wife, and his maidservants; and they bare [children].
18: For the LORD had fast closed up all the wombs of the house of Abimelech, because of Sarah Abraham's wife.
JaJa wrote:Genesis 1
1: In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
I think I mentioned somewhere else on the forum that heaven and earth do not become unique objects/places until verses 8 and 10 when they are named by God and capitalized as Heaven and Earth. The use of lower case heaven and earth denotes common nouns or a "class" of non-unique entities, i.e. 'earth' can mean matter or even terrain in general. That heaven and earth are not unique (i.e. created for the first time) in the first verse tells me they were created from preexisting principles/conditions... maybe I'm wrong on that.
hex wrote:Well, you really cannot conclude from the modern English ortography these things, Hebrew was and is? an unicase script, it doesn't have upper and lower cases.
I seem to remember that the Hebrew word for "creation" in the first chapter is indeed word denoting creation ex nihilo, out of nothing, in comparison to the second chapter, that describes how Lord (Yahveh) "forms" Adam out of the earth with His hands ...
In comparison to the second chapter, that describes how Lord (Yahveh) "forms" Adam out of the earth with His hands...
The revelation which Adam taught his son Seth in the seven hundreth year, saying:
Listen to my words, my son Seth. When God had created me out of the earth, along with Eve, your mother, I went about with her in a glory which she had seen in the aeon from which we had come forth. She taught me a word of knowledge of the eternal God. And we resembled the great eternal angels, for we were higher than the god who had created us and the powers with him, whom we did not know.
Then God, the ruler of the aeons and the powers, divided us in wrath. Then we became two aeons. And the glory in our heart(s) left us, me and your mother Eve, along with the first knowledge that breathed within us.
21: And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof
1. And Azâzêl taught men to make swords, and knives, and shields, and breastplates, and made known to them the metals 〈of the earth〉 and the art of working them, and bracelets, and ornaments, and the use of antimony, and the beautifying of the eyelids, and all kinds of costly stones, and all colouring tinctures. 2. And there arose much godlessness, and they committed fornication, and they were led astray, and became corrupt in all their ways. Semjâzâ taught enchantments, and root-cuttings, Armârôs the resolving of enchantments, Barâqîjâl [...]
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