Are Mountains the Result of a Duning Process?

[kiwi]

was interesting to see Eddington quoted as backing Isotasy, in an attempt to join geo with Astronomy? ... Rambling on?... great song by Led Zepplin

cheers again mate ,.. great thread

[starbiter]

Anticlines and synclines are supposed to show the results of folding. Sediment that was deposited slowly over eons in a horizontal pattern is squeezed into the shapes shown in the link below.

http://www.google.com/search?tbm=isch&h ... anticlines

Because of the research done concerning catastrophic underwater sediment accumulation there might be another option. The link below has videos showing how the process works.

http://www.sedimentology.fr/

If slurry outwash flows over an obstacle an anticline would be expected. If there are obstacles side by side, the area in between would form a syncline. These structures would be composed of fresh, soft sediment. It could remain submerged for a period of time. If an earthquake occurred prior to lithification the patterns would be disturbed, producing patterns consistent with some of the Google images.

During the events described in Worlds in Collision there were earthquakes beyond anything we experience today. Dr Velikovsky felt the earthquakes were global in nature, destroying most of the man made structures.

The image below shows obstacles on the lower right [large] and lower left. Now try to picture slurry outwash flowing over the obstacles as described in the sedimentology videos.

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=htt ... 80&bih=685

michael

[Lloyd]

Michael, can you redo the link?

[starbiter]

Sorry about the broken link Lloyd. Hope it works this time. This is a good example, IMO.

When i looked at preview the link is still broken.

Try this,

http://www.calstatela.edu/dept/geology/ ... SAF(2).jpg

This still doesn't work. If you cut and paste the whole link it will work.

michael

[starbiter]

Sorry about the Ancient Destruction graphic in the last post. It's a mistake i couldn't remove.

seriously challenged michael

[Lloyd]

* Michael, is this the same as the Google link, or not?
http://jbha-science-tri2.wikispaces.com ... +Quest.doc

[starbiter]

Hello lloyd: Sorry about the link problem. Figure #9 from the link You provided is the image i'm referring to.

michael

[starbiter]

For anyone following this thread, i suggest the "Catastrophism vs. Gradualism - a false debate?" thread.

http://www.thunderbolts.info/wp/forum/phpB ... f=4&t=4589

michael

[Lloyd]

* Michael, you asked privately if i saw the outwash in the Google image. I said, no, I didn't see the word outwash anywhere at least. Where is it? I couldn't answer yesterday, because my internet connection was too weak.
* Looks like this is the image you were referring to:
http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9 ... EeRLKSPVIg

* The definition of outwash is said to be: Sediment deposited by streams flowing away from a melting glacier. What kind of source do you have in mind for the sediment? Wind? Tsunami? Maybe alluvium is a better word, if you don't mean glacial outwash, unless there is also flood outwash etc. Looks like there should be anyway.
* I guess you know Cardona found a lot of evidence of periodic glaciation and glacial melting, which he attributes to the Saturn flares, but I don't think he considers glaciation the direct source of most of the sediment. Rather, I think he considers detritus from the Saturn flares themselves as the source. So the sediment came from Saturn for the most part. But glaciation built up between flares and the flares melted them and washed away the rest by causing tsunamis.
* I think Thornhill was skeptical of glaciation, but Cardona probably has done more research on the subject.

[starbiter]

Hello Lloyd: The image You posted is the one i'm referring to. The sedimentology videos You introduced to the forum over a year ago describe a different way to view strata. The premise of the videos is that tidal waves rolled over the land. The waves contained sediment that ran off of the land causing horizontal layers that were misconstrued as millions of years of slow deposition. Instead of tidal waves, i see sloshing of oceans and seas. A slosh would be orders of magnitude worse than a tidal wave. The whole ocean would move, not just a wave.

In Worlds in Collision Dr Velikovsky quotes the survivors of the catastrophes as claiming the Sun changed it's motion. This happened multiple times. Of course the Sun didn't change it's motion. The Earth changed it's motion. Sometimes the Sun set early. Sometimes the Sun set later than the appointed hour. Sometimes the Sun rose on the opposite side of the planet. These changes of motion of the Earth would cause the oceans to spill over the land. The runoff would cause the separation of the sediment into layers based on size and density of the material, as shown in the sedimentology videos.

If this sediment flowed over an area that had obstacles, the layering would be disturbed. Above the obstacle a syncline would form. If there were two obstacles, the area in between would form an anticline. The image below shows this. There appears to be obstacles on the lower right and left of the image. The layering above is misconstrued as folding, IMHO.

michael

[Lloyd]

* Your idea seems very plausible, Michael.
* You mentioned:

These changes of motion of the Earth would cause the oceans to spill over the land. The runoff would cause the separation of the sediment into layers based on size and density of the material, as shown in the sedimentology videos.

* I agree that the videos of the model and the actual experiments show that flood waters etc can deposit several different strata at once and still more in succeeding waves, including on slopes, in synclines and maybe anticlines, as well.
* But I think Cardona disagrees that the different strata have different grain size, density etc. So I think we need to check that out. We should probably ask K et al about that. I think K was also impressed with the video evidence etc from sedimentology.fr.
* There may have been several means of strata formation:
1. Electrical deposition as per Mars south pole: see http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2005/ ... osnote.htm;
2. Flood deposition as on much of Earth?: see http://www.sedimentology.fr/;
3. Saturn flare deposition: see http://thunderbolts.info/wp/forum/phpBB3/v ... =10&t=3824; and
4. Mountain folding of strata: see http://www.thunderbolts.info/wp/forum/phpB ... f=6&t=1462 and http://newgeology.us.

[starbiter]

Hello Lloyd: The latest version of my paper is linked below. There are three new picture stories, one concerning sedimentation.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1YNf ... t?hl=en_US

I hope You can open the links that are part of the footnotes. Different browsers work differently.

If You heard Wal Thornhill and Dave Talbott on Coast to Coast the other day, they spent a lot of time discussing Comet Venus. It's my understanding that Comet Venus followed Saturn's breakup by many years. The events described in Worlds in Collison would cover everything to a great depth. Areas of drainage [the bottom of canyons] would be the only places not covered. This is a whole new way of seeing.

Thanks for your interest Lloyd, michael

[starbiter]

There was a question by "The Great Dog" on the "Electrical Formations in Caves" thread about round boulders. My response might be of interest to the folks following this thread.

http://www.google.com/search?tbm=isch&h ... =&aql=&oq=

http://www.thunderbolts.info/wp/forum/phpB ... 891#p52891

michael

[starbiter]

The version of my NPA paper below seems to have all of the links working.

https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid= ... 3&hl=en_US

I hope some of the folks following this thread can make it to MD for the NPA conference. Hope to see You there.

michael

[starbiter]

According to the article linked below geodes are another geologic problem.

http://www.isgs.illinois.edu/maps-data- ... bit3.shtml

They seem to occur in deposits of limestone and dolomite. According to NASA, this would work nicely with airborne comet dust.

http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi. ... 010014.pdf

Strangely the geodes sometimes contain oil under pressure.

[...]
Perhaps the most fascinating geodes are those that contain petroleum, which may be under enough pressure to squirt out when the geode is broken. The rock in which these unusual geodes are found north of Nauvoo, no longer contains any significant oil. So what is the source of oil in these geodes? What is the origin of the other minerals? We don't know for sure. Perhaps trace amounts of some of the elements that make up the rarer minerals were present in shale layers associated with the carbonate strata.


me again,
Because comets contain hydrocarbons according to NASA, an answer to this puzzle may be at hand.

http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/deepi ... 90705.html


If hydrocarbons were attracted to a Bennett Pinch while a plasmoid or enhanced aurora was in Earths atmosphere, the carbonates from a comet might have then been attracted to the oil, coating it in layers of compressed limestone and dolomite.

geode images below

http://www.firstcrackgeodes.com/geodetypes.html

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&suge ... a=N&tab=wi

The hollow area in the center could be due to the filamentary pinch having a plasmoid at it's center, causing the material to form around it's exterior. Or it might be the double layer boundary of the pinch.

below is a response from a friend,
[...]
A plasmoid is just a glob of plasma that can be distinguished from whatever is around it. If T-eggs are formed in a pinch, I'd suspect the "shell" forms in (or inside) the DL that is the boundary of the pinch (like a balloon--outside force pinching in, inside force/pressure opposing). There could be other cell-like formations (plasmoids) inside the main one, I suppose. The T-eggs with horizontally striped filling probably (guessing) filled with mineral water after forming (maybe only seconds after) & solidified mechanically/chemically. The T-eggs found in the Missouri-Illinois-Iowa border area are filled with oil (sometimes under pressure--they spurt when a hole is drilled into them).

The pinch only has a "center" by abstraction--like a hula hoop. There's nothing there (as distinguished from gravity with mass at the center).


michael