moses wrote:<snip>
I'll be reading the Mythology section keenly.
Mo
moses wrote:But, if anything, any hypothesis of pre-history/pre-homo sapiens Earth is realistically going to remain in the realm of imagination and Science-Fantasy. Arc-us
I think that we can reasonably expect to determine whether Earth came from Saturn.
It will be just a matter of probing through Saturn's atmosphere to see whether there
is any solid ground there, even if it is the core. I'd expect advances in our probing
abilities so that we will determine if Saturn came from the Sun, for example.
And I also believe that humans are quite capable of accessing all of the past through
psychic means. And I'd expect the entire history of everything to be in some time
capsule somewhere on Earth, or maybe Mars.
Mo
Grey Cloud wrote:Bryan,
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It's late here but I will probably post something tomorrow (which is later today).
Peace
"De Grazia developed his own version of Velikovsky's theories, which he called "quantavolution" to denote his holistic theory of sudden, leaping, large scale changes as the major factor in natural history, evolution, and human development".
"His "Solaria Binaria Theory" originates the solar system from a nova of the Sun and a stretched, lessening electric arc to a binary, now practically disappeared, around which the planets evolved".
More words, less understanding.
Hold fast to the core.
Though wisdom is common, yet the many live as if they had a wisdom of their own.
To speak a short time is the way of nature.
High winds blow out before morning.
Hard rain subsides in a day.
What issues these?
The realm of heaven and earth.
If the realm of heaven and earth cannot maintain duration,
what chance has man?
This is why one embraces Dao.
This world, which is the same for all, no one of gods or men has made; but it was ever, is now and ever shall be an ever-living Fire, with measures kindling and measures going out.
"In many cultures, there is said to have been an original chaos or world vapor and a catastrophic event from which the father of the gods was born and from him (or her) was born the succession of gods. Why "born" instead of having always been in existence?"
Dark, invisible, it [Dao] only seems to be.
It is the child of No-Thing
and the father of God.
Mortals are immortals and immortals are mortals, the one living the other's death and dying the other's life.
"It is our system of distantly orbiting planets that seems the odd one out. In fact it argues in favor of a galactic traffic accident between the Sun and a sub-Brown Dwarf like Jupiter or Saturn".
"That there are sane families of life out there in contrast to what we experience in this battered, remote and isolated family structure where the siblings are either nearly dead (Mars), complete hot-heads (Venus). or arrogantly and ... somewhat ... psychopathically inclined towards self-destruction (Earth)".
"Here's another Mad Idea. Maybe the Earth's mental morphogenetic field* as it has evolved through humanity is also far from typical".
"They are estranged from that with which they have most constant intercourse".
"Stand on solid ground.
Go deep into the heart.
Speak only what is true".
"Now all things physical change, they evolve. Which implies that this idyllic (in retrospect) state of affairs is not inherently lasting and like all things, is subject to change. But what if the caretakers - not through evil intent, but through the sheer joy of ignorance in experimentation - what if they violated a Law of Tolerance & Endurance that may be implicit in evolutionary process".
"We step and do not step into the same rivers; we are and are not".
"The sun will not overstep his measures; if he does, the Erinyes, the handmaids of Justice will find him out".
"Dao is the uncarved block.
Timeless, undefined, infinitesimally subtle.
None is its master".
"Way back in 500-600 B.C. in Greece, Parmenides and Empedocles were telling us roughly the same thing. This was a time when science, philosophy and mysticism were all combined. It would be surprising to scientists today how Pythagoras really got his theories on which we base so much of our maths today".
Posted: Fri May 25, 2007 5:10 am
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OP="Pfhoenix"
Your appeals to emotion are particularly bothersome. Humanity's consciousness? Who I think I am? Who else might I be? Plato would be proud, as would Kant and Hegel, the two philosophers directly responsible for the mindset that led to the Nazis in power in Germany.
The suggestion would be that Earth is an evolutionary ... plane ... in an electrical universe. I'm suggesting that perhaps, like EM energy itself, that all things, organic and inorganic, all strata are likewise within a spectrum of manifestation, of physical appearance in form and function. (refer also to the Cymatics thread) All co-dependent, all reciprocal one to another. That one expression might be on a "higher" wavelength of manifestation relative to others below it does not imply superiority or inferiority of being or function. The absence of the smallest would diminish the entire spectrum of what is. Not what might have been or will be, but what IS. But I don't view it as a static spectrum in terms of the forms that comprise it. More like a hierarchy of dynamic trans-formation (transmutation, if you like, tho' I don't think that is as accurate). The framework of the spectrum may be more or less static, I don't know.
Grey Cloud wrote:Posted: Fri May 25, 2007 5:10 am
Post subject:
OP="Pfhoenix"
Your appeals to emotion are particularly bothersome. Humanity's consciousness? Who I think I am? Who else might I be? Plato would be proud, as would Kant and Hegel, the two philosophers directly responsible for the mindsetthat led to the Nazis in power in Germany.
Holy Ravioli![]()
Kant died in 1804 and Hegel in 1831 so to say they are "directly responsible" for Hitler's coming to power in 1933 is stretching things a bit. The implication that the average Nazi voter would have read one or both of these two gentlemen is rickidicklious.
But there again, this is the Mad Ideas section.
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This leads to an unnecessarily negative and pessimistic outlook: catastrophes turning up unannounced and problems with the human brain.
I prefer a positive and optimistic view: catastrophes are as regular as clockwork and the brain is as good as it can be.(Eh?)![]()
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Same post:
"Here's another Mad Idea. Maybe the Earth's mental morphogenetic field* as it has evolved through humanity is also far from typical".
You are correct here; it is not typical, it is unique to us because we created it. We are part of creation creating.
This bicameral mind thing, for a kick-off, is a misnomer. It is the brain which is bicameral not the mind. To assign cause to the brain is wrong - it can only do what the mind tells it - hence the internal dialogue. Put another way, the brain is only the organ of the mind; it's the lower, animal, Earthly part. Only ignorance and or laziness lets the brain do the driving. The internal dialogue is between what Plato among others would call the lower mind and the higher mind. This is one of the reasons why various Wisdom traditions talk of speaking from the heart - it by-passes the brain. Talk to the organ-grinder, not the monkey. It works too.
Grey Cloud wrote:<snip>"Here's another Mad Idea. Maybe the Earth's mental morphogenetic field* as it has evolved through humanity is also far from typical".
You are correct here; it is not typical, it is unique to us because we created it. We are part of creation creating.
This bicameral mind thing, for a kick-off, is a misnomer. It is the brain which is bicameral not the mind. To assign cause to the brain is wrong - it can only do what the mind tells it - hence the internal dialogue. Put another way, the brain is only the organ of the mind; it's the lower, animal, Earthly part. Only ignorance and or laziness lets the brain do the driving. The internal dialogue is between what Plato among others would call the lower mind and the higher mind. This is one of the reasons why various Wisdom traditions talk of speaking from the heart - it by-passes the brain. Talk to the organ-grinder, not the monkey. It works too.
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