http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_O._Becker
Having observed in his clinical practice that broken bones sometimes failed to grow together, he set out to study experimentally why, and if external physical conditions could improve the growth. He found that a DC current through the broken bone (about 1 nanoampere) would greatly improve the growth and fusion of the bones. During this work, Becker found it significant that lower animals had much better regeneration capabilities: Salamanders could regrow lost limbs, while frogs seemed to be a little too high on the evolutionary ladder to achieve this regeneration. He studied these animals for years in order to find out why evolution caused impaired regeneration capabilities, and whether electric fields or currents could stimulate regeneration. His experiments and theorizing could be regarded as a continuation of the similar work of Harold Saxton Burr. Becker thought, like Burr, that some sort of field encompassed the body, governing and stimulating regeneration. He found that an electrostatic field, positive away from the limb stump, could enable regeneration of a frog limb.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Body_Electric
He suspected that electric fields played an important role for controlling the regeneration process, and therefore mapped the electric potentials at various body parts during the regeneration.
JohnMT wrote:Could someone please tell me whether anything has actually 'evolved' at all'?
I asked this question before, but without any meaningful reply.
Cheers,
John
MICRO-evolution, yes; MACRO-evolution (which is what the so-called Theory of Evolution is about), no. There's zero evidence of it on the planet.
The various "kills 99.99 % of bacteria" soaps and compounds so prevalent in modern medical practice, and widespread use of antibiotics have done their job, leaving only the .01% of resistant bacteria to remain and thrive in the otherwise sterile environment of a hospital or human body. These "new" strains of dangerous bacteria by definition of "resistant", have always existed but were poor competitors in a more florally diverse environment.
webolife wrote:John MT, you are right in your thinking. Micro-evolution results only in the "evolution" of population statistics, in variety-specific information loss, and eventual extinction; in fact it is sometimes referred to as de-volution. So the general term [of evolution as "change"] might apply, but nothing of the simple-to-complex theory survives a hard look at the actually evidence, genetically, paleontologically, or logically.
Orthogonal wrote:I see a lot of talk about the supposed flaws or lack of evidence for evolution, but I have yet to see you post on what the source of our incredible biodiversity is.
http://www.urzeit-code.com/index.php?id=23
Swiss journalist Luc Bürgin unveils the secret of a sensational biological discovery at the pharmaceutical giant Ciba (now Novartis), which unfortunately has been ignored by the experts up to the present day. In laboratory experiments the researchers there Dr. Guido Ebner and Heinz Schürch exposed cereal seeds and fish eggs to an "electrostatic field" – in other words, to a high voltage field, in which no current flows.
Unexpectedly primeval organisms grew out of these seeds and eggs: a fern that no botanist was able to identify; primeval corn with up to twelve ears per stalk; wheat that was ready to be harvested in just four to six weeks. And giant trout, extinct in Europe for 130 years, with so-called salmon hooks. It was as if these organisms accessed their own genetic memories on command in the electric field, a phenomenon, which the English biochemist, Rupert Sheldrake, for instance believes is possible.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_O._Becker
Having observed in his clinical practice that broken bones sometimes failed to grow together, he set out to study experimentally why, and if external physical conditions could improve the growth. He found that a DC current through the broken bone (about 1 nanoampere) would greatly improve the growth and fusion of the bones. During this work, Becker found it significant that lower animals had much better regeneration capabilities: Salamanders could regrow lost limbs, while frogs seemed to be a little too high on the evolutionary ladder to achieve this regeneration. He studied these animals for years in order to find out why evolution caused impaired regeneration capabilities, and whether electric fields or currents could stimulate regeneration. His experiments and theorizing could be regarded as a continuation of the similar work of Harold Saxton Burr. Becker thought, like Burr, that some sort of field encompassed the body, governing and stimulating regeneration. He found that an electrostatic field, positive away from the limb stump, could enable regeneration of a frog limb.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Body_Electric
He suspected that electric fields played an important role for controlling the regeneration process, and therefore mapped the electric potentials at various body parts during the regeneration.
Orthogonal wrote:You speak of drug resistant bacteria as evidence against evolution, but that argument does not make sense. Are you saying this bacteria has always existed and just has not built the numbers necessary to cause infections due to the prevalence of other bacteria? It has been demonstrated in numerous labaratory experiments that nascent characteristics can appear in bacteria through evolution.
I don't see what is so hard to accept about macro-evolution.
The incredible diversity is broken down very simply...
I consider the endogenous retrovirus to be the smoking gun for evolution.
The appearance of ERV's in genetic sequences at exactly the same place as other family or genus species is extremely solid proof of evolution.
I would consider bacteria (if a common ancestor) continually mutating (at various stages) into cells, tissue, organs, systems, etc, as solid proof of evolution as this would demonstrate we are capable of transmuting from one thing into many other things over a long period of time. Bacteria have had billions of years after all.
Are there examples of bacteria mutating into different organisms for example. This would be fairly easy to observe when we consider the huge speed at which bacteria mutates, technically we could watch thousands of generations of bacteria in a very short time frame. Bacteria would be a strong candidate as an early ancestor and therefore would have had billions of years (if we are to believe consensus theory) to transmute into something else
With a common ancestor, we humans, along with all other species would have been bacteria at some point, therefore I assume this process of changing from one thing to another is an ongoing process or has evolution simply stopped? I appreciate we might not be able to see these changes (at a larger macro scale) because changes take place over a huge period of time (according to consensus) but I don't see why we shouldn't be able to observe these super fast changes/mutations taking place at the molecular level. Like I said there should be a running observation if evolution is still taking place.
I do not dispute things evolve – look at foetus to newborn baby. Nine months of initial evolving and then a lifetime of growing/evolving into adults. However, we don’t evolve physically into something else during this period (we most certainly can evolve psychologically).
Perhaps you would like to expand on why you believe ERV’s to be solid proof of evolution.
Orthogonal wrote:Please clarify what you mean by electrostatic field.
What is the physical interaction that causes the speciation?
http://www.rexresearch.com/gajarev/gajarev.htm
DNA programming
The most astonishing experiment that was performed by Garjajev’s group is the reprogramming of the DNA codon sequences using modulated laser light. From their discovered grammatical syntax of the DNA language they were able to modulate coherent laser light and even radio waves and add semantics (meaning) to the carrier wave. In this way they were able to reprogram in vivo DNA in living organisms, by using the correct resonant frequencies of DNA. The most impressive discovery made so far is that spoken language can be modulated to the carrier wave with the same reprogramming effect. Now this is a baffling and stunning scientific discovery! Our own DNA can simply be reprogrammed by human speech, supposing that the words are modulated on the correct carrier frequencies!
Whereas western science uses complicated bio chemical processes to cut and paste DNA triplets in the DNA molecule, Russian scientist use modulated laser light to do exactly the same thing. The Russians have proven to be very successful in repairing damaged DNA material in vivo!
Laser light therapies based on Garjajev’s findings are already applied in some European academic hospitals with success on various sorts of skin cancer. The cancer is cured without any remaining scars.
I'm still trying to digest what you are claiming is happening.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electroporation
Electroporation, or electropermeabilization, is a significant increase in the electrical conductivity and permeability of the cell plasma membrane caused by an externally applied electrical field. It is usually used in molecular biology as a way of introducing some substance into a cell, such as loading it with a molecular probe, a drug that can change the cell's function, or a piece of coding DNA
Are you arguing that "evolution" is a spontaneous and dramatic change due to some electrostatic (or electromagnetic?) phenomena?
http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2010/arch10/100630biology.htm
Experiments with electrostatic fields might illuminate biological diversity [...]
Orthogonal wrote:Something akin to a horse giving birth to a llama?
According to author Luc Bürgin, "In laboratory experiments the researchers there Dr. Guido Ebner and Heinz Schürch exposed cereal seeds and fish eggs to an 'electrostatic field' – in other words, to a high voltage field, in which no current flows. Unexpectedly primeval organisms grew out of these seeds and eggs: a fern that no botanist was able to identify; primeval corn with up to twelve ears per stalk; wheat that was ready to be harvested in just four to six weeks. And giant trout, extinct in Europe for 130 years, with so-called salmon hooks. It was as if these organisms accessed their own genetic memories on command in the electric field, a phenomenon, which the English biochemist, Rupert Sheldrake, for instance believes is possible."
Evolution describes how information can be gained
The standard theory purports that life adapts to environments. If an environment is relatively stable, we would expect the species to also remain fairly constant over long periods of time. This is why we don't see massive changes in bacteria since they are so well adapted to a specific niche.
To evolve even further complexity would require that a lab expose the bacteria to numerous environments and other changes, although it is not clear what environments would encourage what changes. It would be a very long and strenuous test. Perhaps still beyond current capabilities but possible.
Speciation can be hard to define exactly [...]
There have been numerous studies on this subject and it is becoming widely accepted that ERV's played a crucial role in the development of mammals to go from laying eggs to carrying it as placenta and having live births among other things.
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