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Re: Recovered:Elec Theory, Maxwells Formula, Tesla Scalar Vortex

Unread postby junglelord » Sun Apr 06, 2008 1:30 pm

Steven maybe StefanR could email you the Konstantine Meyl Scalar Book that he emailed me. Its a wonderful read combined with the work mentioned above. They all have the same vortex model. I do believe if you look at my work on consciousness and nanotubes *tubulin, collegen* in the Tensegrity thread,
viewtopic.php?f=9&t=44&start=0
and how it relates to the information from this link that takes the work of Mead in the direction I went down.
http://www.valdostamuseum.org/hamsmith/ ... #resonance
there is much to what Mead exposed and I do not for one minute discount his work...especially since it echos my own investigations.
8-)
PS Thanks for the links.

You might like my thread on Non Linear Coherent Structures/Solitons, as it echos Meads work again
viewtopic.php?f=8&t=50

Dusty Plasmas, a Non Linear Coherent Structure that again echos Meads work.
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=159
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Re: Recovered:Elec Theory, Maxwells Formula, Tesla Scalar Vortex

Unread postby junglelord » Sun Apr 06, 2008 3:43 pm

"I have found great difficulty in conceiving of the existence of vortices in a medium, side by side, revolving in the same direction about parallel axes. The contiguous portions of consecutive vortices must be moving in opposite directions; and it is difficult to understand how the motion of one part of the medium can coexist with, and even produce, an opposite motion of a part in contact with it. In [a mechanical] mechanism, when two wheels are intended to revolve in the same direction, a wheel is placed between them so as to be in gear with both, and this wheel is called an 'idle wheel'. The hypothesis about the vortices which I have to suggest is that a layer of particles, actng as idle wheels, is interposed between each vortex and the next, so that each vortex has a tendency to make the neighbouring vortices revolve in the same direction." Maxwell
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Re: Recovered:Elec Theory, Maxwells Formula, Tesla Scalar Vortex

Unread postby junglelord » Mon Apr 07, 2008 7:58 am

As you can see from my Maxwell quotes, it is incorrect and invalid to assume that Maxwell believed in a point particle. One must be careful to spend many hours and read historical text by these great men instead of taking someones word for it about what they believed....even Mead.
:? ;)

Also important to read, read, read and dig, dig, dig and not stop at the first good research. Meads work is important but not the entire story nor the entire solution, it is however quite valid and very useful.

Thanks for the links Steven.

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The Russia connection part1

Unread postby StefanR » Tue Apr 08, 2008 7:34 am

This sounds awfully familiar. ;)

Prof Chernetski, the author of the first ever study paper on plasma-diagnotics
equipment (he has been in this field fro 40 years now) and 20 inventions, never
knew what he was probing into specific unstable plasma states at strong-current
discharges could have led to. In the early 70s, he and fellow-researcher Yuri
Galkin worked on a basically new type of high-frequency plasma generator which
could at high power do without unwieldy energy converters. In one test, they
discovered input-output energy gap. [sic]

"I knew electron drift begins in plasma and sought to deduce a combination of
variables in which fluctuating plasma instability emerged in discharge,"
Chernetski says. "Gas discharge was meant to serve as a powerful stimulator of
electromagnetic modes and, all of a sudden and in defiance of the law of
conservation of energy, a strange energy imbalance was
produced. Repeated experiments with different circuits proved energy output
to be always greater than input."

The mysterious discharge stimulating additional energy extraction was called the
"self generating discharge (SGD)". Measurements showed that part of the
discharge power went back into the network as if two series-connected
electromotive forces were at wor

This is how he explains his mricaulaous experiment: "The self-generating
discharge emerges when the discharge current reach a definite critical density,
when the magnetic fields they create ensure magnetisation of plasma electrons
and they begin to perform mostly cycloid movements. The interaction of
currents with their magnetic fields forces the electrons to deviate to the
cylinder-shaped discharge axis and the electrical field emerges. It has proved
to 'switch on' the physical vacuum: in this field the vacuum is polarised and
consequently the virtual pairs begin to move in a definite direction, instead
of chaotically. the virtual positrons accelerate plasma electrons, giving them
part of their energy. The current in the circuit builds up and additional
energy is discharged on the resistor switched into the discharge circuit.
Clearly, only part of the tremendous vacuum energy is extracted.

Unknown Waves

"We didn't think of only industrial applications," Chernetski recalls.
"Self-generating discharge turned out to produce wave radiation which was
hitherto unknown, but evidently existent at all times. Like sound waves, its
waves have a longitudinal electric field component and a high penetrability
through condcutive mediums, including metals. It turned out that these single
waves, 'awakening' the hidden vacuum energy, can alster substance structure.
"the experiment staged at the Burdenko Institute of Neurosurgery in Moscow
several years ago showed that directional SGD radiation accelerated nuclear
beta-decomposition by 5%-6%.
This is only one example. We supposed that, like
SGD-generator radiation, longitudinal electric-field component waves could also
be produced by living beings, man in particular. Comparative experiments were
staged to prove the impact on men with extrasensory perception and of our
device on different objects. In both cases parallel impact on the
high-stability quartz generator made its frequency 'drift' by several orders of
magnitude. The filament resistance of the incandescent lamp decreased
considerably. Probably we are on the road to explaining such mysterious things
as extrasensory perception, telekinesis and bioenergy.

Vacuum-Ether

The experimentally-verified concept of Chernetski claims to be a
theoretical breakthrough in the basic quantum-physics idea of the energy
structure of the Universe. It is generally recognised among physicists
that all elementary particle interactions, and hence every existing
phenomenon, occur with the help of virtual-particle exchange. How does
it come about?

"Full annihilation of virtual pairs cannot take place in the event of
partial energy extraction in self-generating discharge, because a
'certain' virtual dipole must emerge -- two separate charges with a
common negative energy. This means that together with energy extraction
vacuum structurisation and ordering takes place. Actually, our concept
is a return to the idea of the universal ether at an entirely new level.
We say that the ordered dipole vacuum, or ether, is an all-penetrating
energy medium in which processes occur which are related to virtual
dipoles and subject to the uncertainty principle of modern physics."

Chernetski asks: if vacuum structurisation is a constant process, isn't
this an opportunity to state the law of conservation of entropy in the
Universe in opposition to the idea of its steadfast decrease?

What if this work helps to clear up the nature of gravitation, which is
as dim now as it was in the times of Newton? What his concept of the
vacuum shows the road to the long-awaited explanation of the Grand
Unification theory?

"As as experimental physicist I won't say our theory is 100 percent
correct," Chernetski declares. "It's much more an opportunity now to
have indisputable experimental data to prove the opportunity of creating
a basically new power industry.

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The Russian connection part2

Unread postby StefanR » Tue Apr 08, 2008 7:52 am

And from this Russian guy there goes a link to the next one:

http://alexfrolov.narod.ru/

Now my russian isn't that great ;) , but it seems he is connected as director(?) of the Faraday-lab:

http://www.faraday.ru/index.html

And after some searching there was a publications page of A. Frolov:

http://alexfrolov.narod.ru/papers.htm
These are happily in English.

here mister Chernetsky returns :
http://alexfrolov.narod.ru/chernetsky.htm
The development of biological energy science is important direction of medical research in strength of the possibility to correct biological field of the object and it is the correction of the reason of the disease. Many scientists present the biological field like some special kind of the field but others think it is electromagnetic one. Academician Vernadsky developed the conception of global energy and information field of our planet that was named as «noosphere» and it is the result of any processes for all biological objects. In this case the biological field should be high penetrating field through any barrier or screen. Also it should be self-sustaining energy process to keep the information for a long time. By Chernetsky the energy field of biological objects can be produced by longitudinal electromagnetic waves and they are generating by means of movements of electrical charges (plasma) in energy centers and channels of human, animal or plant [2]. The electrical plasma of SGD he investigated is similar to biological plasma and it demonstrate the negative electrical conductivity that is the condition for self-sustaining energy mode. So, the medical topic we started is connected with «free energy» topic also, i.e. the wave must be getting energy from surrounding medium to exist and this method can be developed in fuel-less source of energy technology. By this way of operation the space itself is the source and it become locally more «thin» or more «rare» when the energy is extracted directly from it. The term «rare» is connected with some frequency of the process and I would like to note once more: the space can be considered as some periodical process of some frequency and its energy density is depend of the frequency. The mechanical analogy is some «free energy system» that is taking energy from invisible rotation of surrounding substance. From my point of view, this frequency can be considered also as local rate of time flow and the «time machine» technology is not impossible idea and it does not require some tremendous power input but it is the secondary effects of the free energy device if it is an «extractor» of power from the process of the existence of the material space.

One of many experiments by Chernetsky was dedicated to investigation of biological nature of the longitudinal electromagnetic wave. The experiment was made in Moscow by V.I.Dokutchaev [3], in Novosibirsk by Y.V. Tornouev, and in Moscow by A.V. Chernetsky. Small animal was killed and just at this moment the electrometer detected the changes of electrical field gradient. The animal was submitted in metal box so classical transverse electromagnetic wave (Hertz wave) should be screened and only longitudinal electromagnetic wave (Tesla wave) can penetrate the screen. I have to note the analogy with N.A.Kozyrev's experiments [4]. He investigated the wave that is produced by any non-reversible process, for example by dissipation process or by deformation of elastic matter. The wave was detected by several methods: electrical component of the wave was detected by electrometer. The mechanical effect was detected by special rotational weight system. The wave produce changes of structure and electrical conductivity of a matter and it can be detected by any balanced electronics circuit when one element of the circuit is placed in the area of the wave. N.A.Kozyrev named the waves as «density of time rate waves». He detected this wave also for the process of fading of the part of a plant. So, the seasonal and daily changes in the energy density of space were described by many scientists as changes of the ether density can be explained by the changes in biological activity. For some applications it is useful to consider the same wave as the flow of some particles, named as «chronons» by Academician Albert I. Veinik [5]. He detected local changes of the rate of the time by means of two equal quartz oscillators when one of them was submitted in the area of the generated «flow of chronons». Really, we have to talk about some changes in the matter structure (up to inter-atom distance) of the quartz that produce detected frequency difference. The same experiment was described by N.A.Kozyrev for his «wave of the density of the time». To use some common term let's name this wave as the Energy Density Waves (EDW) in difference from electromagnetic wave (EMW). It is the longitudinal wave, i.e. the energy density is modulated in the direction from the generator to infinity. The velocity of the wave is the question of investigation but if the space (the ether) is considered as some solid state matter there are no any doubts to take it as super-luminal or instantaneous velocity. Let's take an example: when one push the table at the same moment all points of the table are moving and the velocity is instantaneous. It is corresponding to Kozyrev's theory and he proved it in the experiments to detect real and imagine positions for a star. He got information about visible star position by means of electromagnetic waves are spreading with limited velocity of light and the real position was detected by the trajectory of «wave of density of time» that is instantaneous information signal without any spreading.

N.Tesla investigate the standing wave of electrical nature like the wave he observed in process of natural storm. In 1932 he wrote: «...I showed that the universal medium is a gaseous body in which only longitudinal pulses can be propagated, involving alternating compression and expansion similar to those produced by sound waves in air.» [6]. Now we have few different views to the ether: Is it absolutely solid state body or the gaseous one? There is fine solution to solve the problem and this approach is proved experimentally by A.M.Mishin, St.-Petersburg [7]. He published the results of long-time measurements he produced in his home laboratory. The equipment included special detector made as auto-oscillating electromechanical system with some biological element to get electrical signals from changes of biological plasma state. By Mishin, the system detected all turbulent disturbances (the temperature) of the ether, anisotropic properties (direction and polarization) of the ether and the ether fluxes (the ether winds). His conclusion is: the ether exist in different states and the state depend of the parameters of the turbulent disturbance. For ether-1 it is solid state body, ether-2 is dense superfluid liquid, ether-3 is connected with molecular motion and it is gaseous body, ether-4 is stellar plasma state and ether-5 correspond to galactical processes. By this view the Tesla's understanding of the ether is true for certain energy level of process in the space. Kozyrev's instantaneous interaction by means of active properties of time is possible in solid state ether.


But also about:

Application of Ether Longitudinal Waves for Telecommunication Systems

More 60 years ago Nikola Tesla wrote: " I showed that the universal medium is a gaseous body in which only longitudinal pulses can be propagated, involving alternating compressions and expansions similar to those produced by sound waves in the air. Thus, a wireless transmitter does not Hertz waves which are a myth, but sound waves in the ether, behaving in every respect like those in the air, except that, owing to the great elastic force and extremely small density of the medium, their speed is that of light." It is part of N.Tesla's article "Pioneer Radio Engineer Gives Views on Power", published in New York Herald Tribune, Sept. 11, 1932, [ 2, p.94 ]. American scientist Thomas E. Bearden explained this statement of Tesla in next way: Ordinary receiver use so called "precessia of electrons" phenomenon that is result of interaction between electron gas of antenna wires metal and longitudinal waves [ 2 ]. Tesla wrote about great mistake of modern science: "The Hertz wave theory of wireless transmission may be kept up for a while, but I do not hesitate to say that in a short time it will recognized as one of most remarkable and inexplicable aberrations of the scientific mind which has ever been recorded in history", article "The True Wireless" [ 2, p.95 ].

Technology of Tesla require high potential source (up to millions Volts) that produce high frequency oscillations. Terminal that create the longitudinal wave is the spherical metal surface (sphere capacitor). The synthesis of Tesla's scheme and Dokutchaev's concept allow us to conclude: longitudinal wave is generated by means of changing energy density (electric charge density). Let's name it as function r(t). In Hertz transmitter there is changing energy density also, but it is linear density r1(t): density of electric current in wire of antenna. It is one-dimensional density of energy. In Tesla's sphere capacitor there is change of charge value that is placed on the surface of the capacitor. So, it is two-dimensional density of energy r2(t).

N.Kozyrev [ 3 ] created so called "waves of density of time" by means of non-electrical methods: rotation plus axial vibration of gyroscope, deformation of material body, diffusion and dissolving or crystallization of the matter, fading of plants and so on. Different detectors for such sort waves were used: electrical component of the wave was detected by means of galvanometer, gravitational component of the wave was detected by means of the weighing machine, chronal component of the wave was detected by means of electronic scheme that used so called "Winston bridge" since electrical properties of electronics components are changing in wave area. These three methods showed the next: any type change of matter structure that can be presented as r(t) ( i.e. change of density of energy ) is the way for generation of the longitudinal wave. For example, if it is change of volume density of matter, we can write three-dimensional density function r3(t). It is connected with well-known Poisson equation for gravitation.

There are more complex methods for longitudinal wave creation. R.Ziolkovsky, Physical Review A, vol.39, p.2005, wrote in the paper "Localized Transmission of Electromagnetic Energy" about his experiments. Before electromagnetic version, R. Ziolkovsky created the analogy in liquid to study the properties of wave to create the optimum antenna system.
http://alexfrolov.narod.ru/longfortelecom.htm

or some more about

The Single-Wire Electric Power Transmission
By Alexander V. Frolov

Any motion of charges is electric current by definition. The electric potential field can also move the electric charges and this work of the potential field is not connected with loss of power. So, it is enough to use the electrical field (scalar potential source) to create the power and work in an electric load circuit.

The classic conception does not explain this paradox but states: 'The total work of the potential field along a closed trajectory is equal to zero." That is correct, sure. But there are simple descriptions of
experiments for application of potential field energy to create power in a load [1]. The present paper
develops this concept from another view.

So, the motion of charged particles is the current. But there are both the wattful current and wattless
current. To create the free energy system it is necessary to transform the wattless current to wattful
current.

What is the difference in those two versions of current? When the charged particles are moving along wire thanks to electromotive force of potential difference, it is not the reason for loss of power in the source because the electric field of the primary source provides the work to move charged particles without any power loss. A closed electrical circuit is the reason to consume the potential difference of the source. It is possible to separate the load current from source circuit. Dr. T.E. Bearden made detailed description of a concept for this technology by means of note for "the
massless current" [2]. Massless current is the wattless current, from my point of view.

It is possible to consider such current as oscillations of a field of free electrical charges (3]. In this case the wattless current is described as displacement current or as longitudinal wave of the electrical field.

http://alexfrolov.narod.ru/s-wire.htm


Well I think you get the drift ;)

Have fun!

PS. A little video:

http://video.aol.com/video-detail/chernetski/3683222558
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Re: Recovered:Elec Theory, Maxwells Formula, Tesla Scalar Vortex

Unread postby StevenO » Fri Apr 11, 2008 12:54 am

Nicola Tesla wrote: Tesla wrote about great mistake of modern science: "The Hertz wave theory of wireless transmission may be kept up for a while, but I do not hesitate to say that in a short time it will recognized as one of most remarkable and inexplicable aberrations of the scientific mind which has ever been recorded in history.


As Lord Kelvin already found out, both Hertzian and Tesla waves are valid solutions of the Maxwell equations. Tesla's transmitters can be more adequately described by electrical dipoles with varying potential and Hertzian transmitters as magnetic dipoles with varying current.

The Heaviside/Hertz forms of the Maxwell equations have suppressed Maxwell's use of the vector potential, so these Tesla waves were not described (coincidence ...;) After the Ahranov-Bohm experiments the vector potentials have been fully restored in EM theory and the common four vector form of the Maxwell equations also describes these types of waves.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromag ... -potential

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Re: Electric Theory, Maxwells Formula, Tesla Scalar Vortex

Unread postby polarityparadox » Sat Apr 26, 2008 9:41 pm

junglelord wrote:<snip>

Four Quadrant Theory of Electricity

Eric Dollard
(from Functional Thinking)
E:If we take Tesla's three phase electricity, or rotating magnetic field, we find that it is based on the archetypal form known as the Solar cross or by various other names.
T: Mandalas, medicine wheels?
E: ...these are four quadrant types of forms, a balanced cross as opposed to an unbalanced cross.
T: This is where you get the Four quadrant Theory of Electricity?
E: Electricity has to be viewed from a four quadrant type of situation. The right angle plays an extremely fundamental role in electricity. It is generally a right angle phenomenon.
<snip>


Some good stuff for the second editon of the EU.


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hey junglelord,

couldn't help but see the interesting reference to the solar cross. I consider it a meaningful correlate of a solar cross of more qualitative dimension, though fully grounded in physical phenomena. I find it delightfully resonant that the four fold nature of electricity could be coming to fruition just as the solar cross aligns in the heavens....http://lunarplanner.com/HCpages/Venus.html
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Re: Recovered:Elec Theory, Maxwells Formula, Tesla Scalar Vortex

Unread postby lizzie » Sun Apr 27, 2008 8:39 am

Tom Bearden
http://www.cheniere.org/misc/flaws_in_c ... theory.htm

Flaws in Classical EM Theory
1. Eliminates the Internal EM Inside the Scalar Potential.
2. No Definition of Electrical Charge or of Scalar Potential.
3. Equations Still Assume Material Ether Per Maxwell (Unchanged).
4. Use of Force Fields in Vacuum is False (and Known to be So).
5. Treats Charge q as Unitary Instead of Coupled System q=ø(q)m(q).
6. Confuses Massless Potential Gradients as Forces
7. Does Not Utilize Mass as a Component of Force
8. Erroneously Assumes EM Force Field as Primary Causes.
9. Topology of EM Model Has Been Substantially Reduced.
10. Does Not Include Quantum Potential or Action at a Distance.
11. Does Not Include Superluminal Velocity of Inner EM Components.
12. Does Not Utilize Extended Near-Field Coulomb Gauge Effects.
13. Does Not Include EM Generatrix Mechanism For Time Flow.
14. Does Not Unify Photon and Wave Aspects (Requires 7-D Model).
15. Does Not Include Electron Spin and Precession
16. Treats EM Energy As Existing in "Chunks," Instead of as Flow.
17. Confuses Energy and Energy Collection.
18. Discards Half of Every EM Wave in Vacuum.
19. Erroneously Uses Transverse Vacuum Wave; It's Quasi-Longitudinal.
20. Arbitrarily Regauges Maxwell's Equations to Eliminate Overunity Maxwellian Systems.
21. Omits Phase Conjugate Optics Effects (Which are the Rule in Internal EM).
22. Does Not Include EM Cause of Newtonian Reaction Force.
23. Erroneously Assumes Separate Force Acting on Separate Mass.
24. Confuses Detected Electron Precession Waves as Proving Transverse EM Waves in Vacuum (Remnant of Old "EM Fluid" Concept).
25. Due to Error in String Wave, Omits the Ubiquitous Antiwave.
26. Assumes Equilibrium; Not True Unless Include Vacuum Interactions.
27. Higher Toplogy Required, to Model Electromagnetic Reality.
28. Lorentz surface integration discards Poynting energy transport.
29. Has nothing at all to say about form of EM entities in massless space.
30. Eliminates the infolded general relativity using EM-force as curve agent.
31. Does not include longitudinal EM wave phase conjugate pairs as time domain oscillations. 32. Does not include EM mechanism that generates time flow and flow rate.
33. Does not include time-excitation charging and decay.
34. Does not include time-reversal zones.


The Missing Infolded Electrodynamics
http://www.cheniere.org/images/EMwaves/emwaves.htm
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Re: Recovered:Elec Theory, Maxwells Formula, Tesla Scalar Vortex

Unread postby StevenO » Sun Apr 27, 2008 3:19 pm

lizzie wrote:Tom Bearden
http://www.cheniere.org/misc/flaws_in_c ... theory.htm

Flaws in Classical EM Theory
1. Eliminates the Internal EM Inside the Scalar Potential.
2. No Definition of Electrical Charge or of Scalar Potential.

Both the scalar potential and scalar charge are part of the Maxwell equations.
3. Equations Still Assume Material Ether Per Maxwell (Unchanged).
4. Use of Force Fields in Vacuum is False (and Known to be So).[\quote]
Maxwell was convinced of a Material Ether, Einstein postulated that all forces interact through matter and as such the Material Ether is not required.

(4) is basically the same statement as (3)
5. Treats Charge q as Unitary Instead of Coupled System q=ø(q)m(q).

The unitary charge q is a postulate in atomic interaction. It is not an essential part of the Maxwell equations.
6. Confuses Massless Potential Gradients as Forces
7. Does Not Utilize Mass as a Component of Force

??? Newtons laws can be derived from Maxwell's equations.
8. Erroneously Assumes EM Force Field as Primary Causes.
9. Topology of EM Model Has Been Substantially Reduced.

These are model postulates, not observed facts, so I cannot see how these are errors of classical EM theory.
10. Does Not Include Quantum Potential or Action at a Distance.

Quantum effects follow from phase constraints on the EM wave functions. Action at a distance from coupled systems.
11. Does Not Include Superluminal Velocity of Inner EM Components.

Not sure what Bearden means with that. Depends whether one looks at Phase Velocity or Group Velocity. The product of the two is c^2.
12. Does Not Utilize Extended Near-Field Coulomb Gauge Effects.

Does not ring any bell with me, so no comment.
13. Does Not Include EM Generatrix Mechanism For Time Flow.

Help! What is this? From Bearden's website it looks like a scalar wave model of the EM field. This fits with perfectly well with Maxwell.
14. Does Not Unify Photon and Wave Aspects (Requires 7-D Model).

A photon can be explained as a transfer of an exact amount of energy between two quantized resonators through EM radiation.
15. Does Not Include Electron Spin and Precession

If the electron itself is a continuous wave it can have a magnetic moment.
16. Treats EM Energy As Existing in "Chunks," Instead of as Flow.

Stable non-radiating systems (e.g. an atom) will have quantized amounts of energy because of phase restrictions on the EM waves.
17. Confuses Energy and Energy Collection.

How?
18. Discards Half of Every EM Wave in Vacuum.

Solutions to the Maxwell equations have waves propagating both forward and backward in time. If the size of the system is restricted, one could do with a single sided solution.
19. Erroneously Uses Transverse Vacuum Wave; It's Quasi-Longitudinal.

These are two different representations that are equivalent.
20. Arbitrarily Regauges Maxwell's Equations to Eliminate Overunity Maxwellian Systems.

I don't agree.
21. Omits Phase Conjugate Optics Effects (Which are the Rule in Internal EM).

I do not think this has anything to do with EM basics.
22. Does Not Include EM Cause of Newtonian Reaction Force.
23. Erroneously Assumes Separate Force Acting on Separate Mass.

See (7).
24. Confuses Detected Electron Precession Waves as Proving Transverse EM Waves in Vacuum (Remnant of Old "EM Fluid" Concept).

See 19
25. Due to Error in String Wave, Omits the Ubiquitous Antiwave.

See (18)
26. Assumes Equilibrium; Not True Unless Include Vacuum Interactions.

Vacuum interactions are not needed if one realizes that a system that exchanges energy is a collective system with a minimum of two elements.

27. Higher Toplogy Required, to Model Electromagnetic Reality.

Let's try to understand four dimensional space-time first.

28. Lorentz surface integration discards Poynting energy transport.

See 26. Seperating things can leads to the wrong conclusions

29. Has nothing at all to say about form of EM entities in massless space.

Massless space would be forceless space.

30. Eliminates the infolded general relativity using EM-force as curve agent.

This sentence makes no sense to me, so I can't answer.

31. Does not include longitudinal EM wave phase conjugate pairs as time domain oscillations.

See 18

32. Does not include EM mechanism that generates time flow and flow rate.
33. Does not include time-excitation charging and decay.
34. Does not include time-reversal zones.

Time is a basic dimension in Maxwell, so it does not flow. It is a measurement yardstick. The phase of a wave can progress at different rates.

The Missing Infolded Electrodynamics
http://www.cheniere.org/images/EMwaves/emwaves.htm


Gabriel Lafreniere himself states that he does not describe any new physics.


I think there is a lot wrong with the way EM theory is teached, however there is nothing wrong with Maxwell's equations themselves.
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Re: Recovered:Elec Theory, Maxwells Formula, Tesla Scalar Vortex

Unread postby StevenO » Sun Apr 27, 2008 3:36 pm

The Missing Infolded Electrodynamics
http://www.cheniere.org/images/EMwaves/emwaves.htm

Sorry, incorrectly assumed he referred to Lafreniere's website. (My apologies Gabriel). I can find no substance in this presentation. To understand Maxwell we do not need necessarily need a material ether. Anomalies reported in (fusion) experiments are most likely due to our still limited understanding of electric plasma's. And, like plasma's in space, we still understand little about the workings of electric plasma's inside the body.
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Re: Recovered:Elec Theory, Maxwells Formula, Tesla Scalar Vortex

Unread postby junglelord » Tue May 06, 2008 4:00 pm

Thank goodness for Dragonspeak 9...LOL
This is a little quote from Carver Meads seminal work Collective Electrodynamics. It is said it does away with Maxwells theorum (which we all know by now is actually Heavisides Reduction, not Maxwells theorum at all.) Read along and tell me if my conclusions are correct or incorrect? Especially the two points in red. Are they not the missing components I have spoken about in this reconstruction thread on the Original Maxwell Four Vector Quaterninon. Did they really eliminate the Maxwell Formula, or did they eliminate the Heaviside Reduction, and arrive at the same place Maxwell did based on the four vector solution? Notice the scalar and vector functions are restored, which is what I pointed out were lost by the Heaviside Reduction formula they call "Maxwell's Formula" even in this paper.
;)

The material in this little volume has been for me a personal quest. I began nearly 50 years ago. That came about as a direct result of my interactions with Richard Feynman. He and I both arrived at Caltech in 1952-he as a new professor of physics, and I as a freshman undergraduate. My passionate interest was electronics, and I avidly consumed any material I could find on the subject: courses, seminars, books, etc. As a consequence, I was dragged through several versions of standard electromagnetic theory: E, B, D and H, curls of curls, the whole 9 yards. The only bright light in the subject was the vector potential, to which I was always attracted because, somehow, it made sense to me. It seemed a shame that the courses I attended didn't make more use of it. In my junior year, I took a course in mathematical physics from Feynman-what a treat! This man could think conceptually about physics, not just regurgitate dry formalism. After one quarter of Feynman, the class was spoiled for any other professor. Feynman liked the vector potential to; for him it was a link between electromagnetism and quantum mechanics.

As he put it, "In the general theory of quantum electrodynamics, one takes the vector and scaler potentials as fundamental quantities in a set of equations that replace the Maxwell equations."

I learned enough about it from him to know that someday, I wanted to do all of my electromagnetic theory that way.

By 1960, I had completed a thesis on transistor physics and had become a brand-new faculty member in my own right. Fascinated by Leo Esaki's work on tunnel diodes, I started my own research on electron tunneling through thin insulating films. Tunneling is interesting because it is a purely quantum phenomenon. Electrons below the zero energy level in a vacuum, or in the forbidden gap of a semiconductor or insulator, have wave functions that died out exponentially with distance. I was working with insulators sufficiently fanned that the wave function of electrons on one side had significant amplitude on the opposite side. The result was a current that decreased exponentially with the thickness of the insulator. From the results, I could work out how the exponential depended on energy. My results didn't fit with the conventional theory, which treated the insulator is the what were a vacuum. But the insulator was not a vacuum, and the calculations were giving us important information about how the wave function behaved in the forbidden gap. Feynman' was enthusiastic about this tunneling work. We shared a graduate student, Karvel Thornber, who used Feynamn's path integral methods to work out a more detailed model of the insulator.

True vintage Feynman was when he waxed eloquent about the vector potential. This quote contains a delightful discussion about what a field is and what makes one feels more "real" than another.
"What we mean here by a real field is this a real field is a mathematical function we use for avoiding the idea of action at a distance. A real field is then a set of numbers, we specify in such a way that what happens at out point depends only on the numbers at that point. In our sense then, that the A-field is real, E and B are slowly disappearing from the modern expression of physical laws. They are being replaced by A and PHI.

He develops the equations of electrodynamics and four-vector form-the approach that I have adopted in this monograph.
http://books.google.com/books?vid=ISBN0 ... 0#PPR13,M1


Is not the four vector form approach Quaternions??? Did the Quaternion Solution not correct the Heaviside Reduction with scalar and vector potentials replaced??? Is that not the original work of Maxwell I have pointed out and which really was what Feynman was correcting was the heaviside formula, like I did, Yet he misnamed it with the generic term "Maxwells Theorum". Is that not the solution the Maxwell Original Theorum results were? I started this whole thread about? I really am asking StevenO. Could a rose by another name smell as sweet?
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I fail to see the difference, only the fact I pointed out the term "Maxwell Theorum" is a misnomer and even here it is a misnomer, one should read Heaviside Reduction Theorum, when one sees the term "Maxwells Theorum".

Since their results are the same as Maxwells Theorum then I postulate that they actually did what this thread attempted to do historically. I wonder if they ever researched the work I presented here. I think not. I think they were in effect correcting by their own intelligence what I did with this history lesson. Yes or no?
:D

to continue the quote....as its a great read.
He develops the equations of electrodynamics and four-vector form-the approach that I have adopted in this monograph. I can remember feeling very angry with Feynman when I sat in on this particular lecture. Why hadn't he started this way in the first place, and saved us all the mess of a B field, which, as he said was not real anyway. When I asked him about it, he said something vague like:
there are a bunch of classical interactions that you can't get at in any simple way without Maxwell's equations. You need the v X B term.

I don't remember his exact words here, only the just of the discussion. Sure enough, when volume 2 of the lectures was published, the equation F = q(E+ v X B) appears in the column labeled "true always"

The equation is true for the toy electric motor, he shows. It is not true in general. For a real electric motor, the B field is concentrated in the iron rather than in the copper in which the current is flowing, and the equation gives a wrong answer by a factor of more than 100! That failure is due to the failure of B to be "real", precisely in Feynman's sense. Somehow he is separated signs in two worlds: quantum and classical. For him, the vector potential was primary in the quantum world, where as E and B were necessary for the classical world. These two worlds had not yet come together. I was an active researcher and solid-state physics at that time, they use the quantum nature of electrons and solids every day. He electrodynamics deals with how electrons interact with other electrons. The classical interactions Feynman was talking about was between electrons in metals, in which the density of electrons is so high that quantum interaction is by far the dominant effect. If we know how the vector potential comes into the phase of the electron wave function, and at the electron wave function dominates the behavior of medals, then why can't we do all of electromagnetic theory that way? Why didn't he use his knowledge of quantum electrodynamics to "take the vector and scaler potentials as fundamental qualities in the set of equations that replace the Maxwell equations", as he himself has said? I was mystified; this cryptic answer prodded me to start working on the problem. But every time I thought I had an approach, I got stuck.

Bill Fairbank had given a seminar on quantized flux and superconducting rings that impressed me very much. The solid-state physics club is much smaller in those days, and because I was working on electron tunneling, I was close to the people working on tunneling between superconductors. Their results were breaking in just the same timeframe, and Feynaman gave a lecture about this topic to the sophomores. As I listened to that lecture, my thoughts finally clicked: this is how we can make the connection! A superconductor is a quantum system on the classical scale, and that fact allows us to carry out Feynman's grand scheme. But I couldn't get this approach to go all the way through at that time, so we just sat in the back of my mind all those years, vaguely tickling me.

Meanwhile my work on tunneling was being recognized, and Gordon Moore asked me whether tunneling would be a major limitation on how small we could make transistors and an integrated circuit? That question took me on a detour that was to last nearly 30 years, but it also led me into another collaboration with Feynaman, this time on the subject of computation. Here's how it happened: in 1968, I was invited to give a talk at a workshop on semiconductor devices. In those days, you could get everyone who is doing cutting edge work into one room, so the workshops were where all the action was. I'd been thinking about Gordon Moore's question, and decided to make it the subject of my talk. As I prepared for this event, I began that serious doubts about my sanity. My calculations were telling me, a contrary all the current lower in the field, we could scale down the technologies such that everything got better. The circus out more complex, they ran faster, and they took less power-wow! The talk provoked considerable debate, and at the time most people didn't believe the result. But by the time the next workshop rolled around, a number of other groups had work to the problem for themselves, and we were pretty much all in agreement. The consequences of this result for modern information technology have, of course, been staggering.

Back in 1959, Feynman gave a lecture entitled. There's Plenty of Room at the Bottom, in which he discussed how much smaller things can be made that we ordinarily imagine. That talk at a made a big impression on me; I thought about it often, and it would sometimes come up in our discussions on the tunneling work. When I told him about the scaling law for electronic devices, Feynman got jazzed. He came to my seminars on the subject, and always raised a storm of good questions and comments. I was working with the graduate student, Bruce Hoeneisen: by 1971, we had worked out the details of how transistors would look and work when they are a factor of 100 smaller in linear die mentioned in the limits set by the prevailing orthodoxy. Because of the scaling work, I became completely absorbed with how the exponential increase in complexity of integrated circuits would change the way that we think about computing.
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Re: Recovered:Elec Theory, Maxwells Formula, Tesla Scalar Vortex

Unread postby junglelord » Wed May 07, 2008 7:03 am

Here is my PM from StevenO, and my reply. It is important that we have his contributions to our forum Thanks so much StevenO.
StevenO wrote:Hi Dean,

Thanks for your observations. You are correct in the sense that Heaviside 'censored' the Vector Potential from the Maxwell equations, which is too bad since that obfuscates the intrinsic relationship between electric and magnetic effects.

The use of this vector potential has been restored in mainstream physics and those formulas in four-vector form is what Mead uses. It is not an invention of himself. It is really the original Maxwell equations in a more modern compact form. However, he shows that these Maxwell relationships follow from the quantum behaviour of the electron waves, which highlights his approach to "develop a way of thinking such that the law becomes evident". I can't promote this approach too much to anybody why want to develop a real understanding of EM.

However, it is important to realize that four-vectors are not quaternions! Quaternions have severe limitations. I miss the mathematical ability to explain it in one sentence, but I think the use of imaginary numbers should be restricted to mathematics. Remember the agreement from Libor Spacek:

Even Hamilton's quaternions, improvement as they are, are not the best thing.

The problems started with Gibb's vector calculus (taught to this day in a dumbing-down effort). The Gibb's system is actually inferior to the Grassman-Clifford algebra, which was already known before/at the same time. However, Gibbs published his in a more visible journal, so that is what most people to this day are stuck with, blissfully unaware that this is no more than a historical accident and a travesty.

The problems are: counter-intuitive "imaginary numbers" without any physical interpretations, inability to generalise the vector cross product to more than 3D, inability to generalise the quaternions beyond 3D, fragmentation of different branches of mathematics into things like geometry, algebra, complex numbers, linear algebra, all of which are in fact one and the same thing.

All these problems are very elegantly solved in the recent revival of Grassman-Clifford algebra, known as Geometric Algebra (GA), a term coined by David Hestenes (also a physicist). GA can systematically handle objects of any dimensionality, all with very clear intuitive (in fact geometrical) interpretations. The quaternions turn out to be just one special case (a set consisting of a scalar and three bivectors) within Geometric Algebra. In GA you can have their equivalent for any number of dimensions, plus lots more of other useful things.

Dr Libor Spacek


Your a true source of important and accurate information and for any of us to move forward it is very good that you are here. your able to explain complex items with much insight. To work out a EU, we need a EE such as yourself. Thanks so much. I really apprciate all you have taught me.
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Re: Recovered:Elec Theory, Maxwells Formula, Tesla Scalar Vortex

Unread postby webolife » Wed May 07, 2008 1:48 pm

I would like also to thank StevenO for his careful and appropriate rebuttal to the lizzie post.
I was quite perplexed myself reading through that list of alleged classical EM flaws. Your comments were a helpful relief.
I am in the tenuous theoretical position of my uft depending absolutely on several of the classical EM ideas, while dismissing others.
Likewise some of GR is important to me while other assumptions are negated. Finding same with EU... and aether theories in general. I can switch the word "aether" with [my understanding of] "field", and APM makes great sense. Even the charge separation concept begins to make sense when I combine the ideas of my potential vectors with energy vortices. It is really difficult for me to sort through all of the semantics on these threads... even the term "longitudinal" seems to mean one thing for one person, and another for someone else. "Scalar" continues to confuse me, though I think [one take on ] it matches my view.
Junglelord, are you [or someone] capable of creating a jargon free glossary for all the EU key words? It would help me, and I'm thinking I'm not the only one getting lost in semantics here. I know it was quite helpful even to me for arc-us to ask me to define a few of my word usages.
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Re: Recovered:Elec Theory, Maxwells Formula, Tesla Scalar Vortex

Unread postby webolife » Wed May 07, 2008 1:56 pm

Maybe even a dedicated glossary forum? People could post alternate meanings and revisions to some of the words, and when reading posts, we could maybe refer to the glossary forum for clarification. Maybe the forum moderator could from time to time collate relevant alternate meanings together in a single alphabetized listing... I for one can barely keep track of my own posts, let alone others', to find out how words are being used... am I asking too much here?
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Re: Recovered:Elec Theory, Maxwells Formula, Tesla Scalar Vortex

Unread postby junglelord » Wed May 07, 2008 2:36 pm

I am not sure we need new terms, certainly we can reorganize the original terms.
That is what Dave Thomson has done. I will make a dedicated effort to post that in the APM thread. I think the email I sent and recieved from Dave today has helped me immensely.

In fact I can post my original email and message for all to see.

Hi Dave!
I have really made some mental headway in your direction. I thankyou so much for all you have done and for your time with me. I need to run this last thing by you. I am stepping up to your thoughts in my own steps. StevenO, a very intelligent EE from our forum brought Carver Mead and his work Collective Dynamics to the table.

I actually used the words of Mead to correct plasmatic.

Is Mead correct? Was I correct to use his statement as a proper rebuttal to plasmatic or am I still caught in the classical mess myself with the half way stage of Collective Electrodynamics Mead/Frenyman rebuttal, caught in my own double worded rebuttal? Is Collective Electrodynamics more classical mess, just less messy?

I love Bruce Lee so I am live by his philosophy. (if you know any of his work, you will love the satire on classical mess)

Your APM is very much to Physics what the Tao of Jeet Kune Do was to the Martial Arts world if I am correct in my anology.

Your constant correctsions of my questions to be formulated in a unclassical style has taught me much. (very bruce lee of you)!

So this is the post in question from "the Problem of Spin" I started.

Is Classical Mechanics dead? Or does it just need to be reworked (is that not what APM did)? Much as Lee did with Martial Arts Classical Mess and created Jeet Kune Do. You are implicit that Newtonian Physics is not dead if organized properly (correct)? After all Bruce Lee did not throw out martial arts which was dead, he made it alive by his reorganization of principles because fighting is alive. Has not APM done the same. You did not throw out the baby with the bath water (like feynman saying classical mechanics was dead) and instead of mearly clearing the water with a filter (like Meads work in Collective Electrodynamics) but actually made the water (classical mechanics) alive?

Am I correct in this anology or off base?
Is Mead Correct about Classical Mechanics being dead, or is it just too improperly formulated like Bruce Lee said of traditional Martial Arts?
Dean Ward



Here is his reply to me on that very question.

Hi Dean,

I can better see where you are coming from. It is quite interesting that we have to choose our words depending upon what level of reality we are talking about. At the macro level, classical mechanics is very important. However, at the quantum level, where there are no physical things moving (they are non-material things), classical mechanics have not yet come into existence. So it is correct to say that classical mechanics does not apply to the primary angular momentum. It isn't that it is wrong, it is just that there is nothing physical for classical mechanics to apply to.

As an analogy, we would not discuss dentistry while talking about atoms. Atoms do not need dentists. But that does not mean that dentistry is meaningless at the level of complex animals. As the complexity of existence increases, so does the complexity of the science surrounding that existence. It is common sense.

Through reductionism, we might start in the dentist's office talking about tooth structure. The discussion would reduce to the level of cells, and we would reduce the cells to molecules, and reduce the molecules to atoms before reducing those to subatomic particles. Although we might be trying to understand tooth structure, tooth structure has nothing to do with cells, molecules, atoms, or subatomic particles.

Each more primary level of reality sheds structural characteristics. This process continues beyond the level of subatomic particles. The physical structure gives way to non-material structure. Nobody would deny that a magnetic field has structure, and nobody can deny that a magnetic field has no physical existence. The tools of classical mechanics were designed for describing physical matter. They cease to be useful for understanding the more primary levels of existence, just as six years of dental school is useless for understanding the subatomic particles that make up the teeth.

In order to understand the non-material physics, it is necessary to follow the structure of the non-material structures as the physics reveals them, rather than attempt to describe them. We cannot describe the non-material Aether in terms of classical mechanics any more than we can describe it in terms of dentistry. The Aether Physics Model provides the necessary tools for understanding these more primary structures of non-material existence. If scientists are not willing to use this tool because they don't like the word "Aether," then they have tossed out their ability to reason and investigate in favor of their prejudice. The scientists are so determined only physical reality exists that they refuse to see anything else. Such scientists have become the antithesis of religious disciples who promote their philosophy with no regard for logic or common sense.

I will repeat often, the APM is a true unified theory. It brings all the known science together (and reveals a few unknowns). It is as you say, a reworked version of the existing science. The "reworked" part is the understanding of charge, which is extremely fundamental and extremely important to every other aspect of science. If charge is not properly understood, then all sorts of distortions arise from this misunderstanding. It does no good to discuss the new vision of the APM if people are unwilling to learn this fundamental correction, first.

Dave
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