'Buckyballs' spotted in interstellar space

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'Buckyballs' spotted in interstellar space

Unread post by Maddogkull1 » Sat Jul 24, 2010 8:20 am

http://www.newscientist.com/blogs/short ... erste.html
Chemists have been fascinated by the tiny balls of carbon known as buckyballs since they were first made in the laboratory in 1985.

But apparently nature knows how to make them, too – and in great abundance.

Previous studies of the debris around impact craters on Earth have suggested that buckyballs might be found in space, and spectral observations of star light have hinted that they may even nest together like Russian dolls, but their existence beyond Earth has never been confirmed.

Now, a team of astronomers has found that in the dusty environment around a white dwarf star lying about 6500 light years from Earth, a few per cent of the carbon is in the form of buckyballs.
Amazing stuff here. Thought I should share this with you guys.

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Unread post by Osmosis » Sat Jul 24, 2010 7:26 pm

Aha! Dark matter finally exposed! Buckyballs spewed by the power plants running the EU! :o :o :o :o :o

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Unread post by JTR » Tue Aug 03, 2010 8:27 am

Good Ol Buckminster Fuller - I remember stealing a Book by him from the Library :? Found it so interesting :oops:

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Unread post by 369369369 » Sun Aug 15, 2010 3:19 am

But apparently nature knows how to make them, too – and in great abundance.

IT REALLY IS GREAT. NOW, DOES NATURE KNOW HOW TO MAKE A TRUNCATED STELLATED OCTAHEDRON TOO? I MEAN ARE THERE ANY ORGANIC COMPOUNDS (ETC.) IN THE SHAPE OF TRUNCATED STELLATED OCTAHEDRON? :?:

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Unread post by Jarvamundo » Sun Aug 15, 2010 4:38 pm

Rings a bell... Buckyballs are proposed as one hypothesis for intrinsic redshift (Raman) mechanism for quasar redshifts. Essentially photon energy is absorbed into the atoms/molecules... stable structures of matter like buckyballs, nanotubes etc could be to provide for this around quasars.

Again here you have JL/Solar structure and function rearing it's head.

More generally the idea of varying energy levels, popping and snapping matter into form-phases or resonant states, as a quasar is ejected from an active parent, seems to sit well with intuition. And that it provides a (Raman) mechanism for intrinsic redshift that is also quantized, pricks up my ears. That this redshift is quantized in an obvious and famously identified fractal (Karlsson Peak) already gives us some good ideas to proceed with. Exploring this and other proposed hypothesis, related to Arp-quasar-ejection, is part of the vast, exciting, ongoing body of scientific research ahead of this paradigm.

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Unread post by junglelord » Sun Aug 15, 2010 6:04 pm

369369369 wrote:But apparently nature knows how to make them, too – and in great abundance.

IT REALLY IS GREAT. NOW, DOES NATURE KNOW HOW TO MAKE A TRUNCATED STELLATED OCTAHEDRON TOO? I MEAN ARE THERE ANY ORGANIC COMPOUNDS (ETC.) IN THE SHAPE OF TRUNCATED STELLATED OCTAHEDRON? :?:
It is my understanding that the secret behind the valence band electrons golden configuration is due to the first three platonic solids being the one of three forms they must assemble into, as they organize into the higher atomic elements which are formed from the functional jitterbug of distributed charge transformations. So stability is inherit only in the platonic solids and flows from their structures atomicly. Therefore they are the buildingblocks of the fractal constructs of higher and higher orgnizations of reality.

The occurance of these naturally occuring buckyballs is confiramtion of this law. The old Greeks knew it well.
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Unread post by 369369369 » Sun Aug 15, 2010 11:50 pm

The occurance of these naturally occuring buckyballs is confiramtion of this law. The old Greeks knew it well.

TRUE THEY DID. NOW, WHAT DO U MAKE OF STHISHOVITE OR SEIFERTITE? ALSO, WOULD THE STO (stellated truncated octahedron) be a good candidate for antigravity effects? :roll:

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Unread post by MrAmsterdam » Tue Aug 17, 2010 12:37 pm

Buckyballs and nanotubes?

You know, in my view those crystals(?) are very good arguments for an electric universe medium.
Beyond Batteries: Storing Power in a Sheet of Paper

http://news.rpi.edu/update.do?artcenterkey=2280

Along with its ability to function in temperatures up to 300 degrees Fahrenheit and down to 100 below zero, the device is completely integrated and can be printed like paper. The device is also unique in that it can function as both a high-energy battery and a high-power supercapacitor, which are generally separate components in most electrical systems. Another key feature is the capability to use human blood or sweat to help power the battery.

Rensselaer researchers infused this paper with aligned carbon nanotubes, which give the device its black color. The nanotubes act as electrodes and allow the storage devices to conduct electricity. The device, engineered to function as both a lithium-ion battery and a supercapacitor, can provide the long, steady power output comparable to a conventional battery, as well as a supercapacitor’s quick burst of high energy.

“We’re not putting pieces together — it’s a single, integrated device,” he said. “The components are molecularly attached to each other: the carbon nanotube print is embedded in the paper, and the electrolyte is soaked into the paper.

The researchers used ionic liquid, essentially a liquid salt, as the battery’s electrolyte. It’s important to note that ionic liquid contains no water, which means there’s nothing in the batteries to freeze or evaporate. “This lack of water allows the paper energy storage devices to withstand extreme temperatures,” Kumar said.
Nanotubes in combination with an electrolyte (plasma?) could create natural mechanisms resembling a battery and supercapacitor. Or in other words; stardust can act like a electric medium.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrolyte
Electrolytes commonly exist as solutions of acids, bases or salts. Furthermore, some gases may act as electrolytes under conditions of high temperature or low pressure. Electrolyte solutions can also result from the dissolution of some biological (e.g., DNA, polypeptides) and synthetic polymers (e.g., polystyrene sulfonate), termed polyelectrolytes, which contain charged functional group.
That's one perspective out of the many. Or one of the properties of plasma, buckyballs, nanotubes and crystals. But really, it's all in the plasma medium;
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Re: 'Buckyballs' spotted in interstellar space

Unread post by Jarvamundo » Tue Aug 17, 2010 5:59 pm

MrAmsterdam wrote:Buckyballs and nanotubes?

You know, in my view those crystals(?) are very good arguments for an electric universe medium.
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Nanotubes in combination with an electrolyte (plasma?) could create natural mechanisms resembling a battery and supercapacitor. Or in other words; stardust can act like a electric medium.
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That's one perspective out of the many. Or one of the properties of plasma, buckyballs, nanotubes and crystals. But really, it's all in the plasma medium;
right on.

http://www.aspbooks.org/a/volumes/artic ... r_id=30543
From many observations and spectral peculiarities, it appears Quasars have a complex additional "intrinsic'' redshift(s) added to the overall Hubble redshift. Evidence suggests these additional redshifts may ensue from Raman redshifts with various atoms/molecules in the unusual atmospheres surrounding Quasars.
nanotubes, buckyballs and resonant states of plasma

Look forward to further experimental verification and modeling on these processes. As you mention, highly related to EU, highly related to Arp-Ejection hypothesis.

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Re: 'Buckyballs' spotted in interstellar space

Unread post by 369369369 » Wed Aug 18, 2010 2:39 am

Guys
I was thinking about what would happen if carbon based DNA nucleotides in human body organically transmuted into silica based nucleotides somehow (C transmuted to Si) with the help of EMW from the sun, plus with the use of blood somehow and of course other strange stuff:)
Just wondering…..would tensegrity jitterbug jumpstart any of the above?
Anyone?????????
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Unread post by MrAmsterdam » Fri Aug 20, 2010 2:57 pm

http://www.ensol.no/r&d.htm

EnSol AS has patented a novel, prototype thin film photovoltaic cell design based on nanocrystal technology. The basic cell concept has been demonstrated, and it is the objective of this research and development project to systematically refine this PV cell technology to achieve a cell efficiency of 20% or greater.A thin film deposition system with nanocrystal source, will be designed and constructed in collaboration with the University of Leicester (UK) for the fabrication of prototype cells based on this design. This experimental facility will be designed to produce PV cells with an active area in excess of 16 cm2 deposited onto standard glass substrates. These prototype cells will subsequently be characterised and tested in collaboration with our academic partners.EnSol has recently commissioned a business case report, which demonstrated that this unique, 4th generation PV cell technology has tremendous industrial potential, with low environmental impact, cost effective production via standard “spray on” magnetron techniques, this technology can realistically compete with existing established PV cell technology.
Nanocrystal spray on glass?

If engineers can do it now with microwaves, nature did it already al long time ago with stardust and EM radiation.
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Unread post by GaryN » Fri Aug 20, 2010 9:50 pm

If engineers can do it now with microwaves, nature did it already al long time ago with stardust and EM radiation.
I'm with you all the way there, Mr A. The Earth, Moon, and Mars, all seem to have multiple layers of alternating rock types, some down to a few cm thick. I don't imagine a gradually cooling molten mass would separate out into thousands of layers, but plasma deposition could do the job.
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Re: 'Buckyballs' spotted in interstellar space

Unread post by MrAmsterdam » Thu Mar 03, 2011 3:09 pm

and the plot thickens...
http://mcdonaldobservatory.org/news/rel ... /0302.html

Buckyballs, Largest Known Molecules, More Common in Space Than Thought

Observations made with NASA's Spitzer Space Telescope have provided surprises concerning the presence of buckminsterfullerenes, or "buckyballs," the largest known molecules in space. A study of R Coronae Borealis stars by David L. Lambert, Director of The University of Texas at Austin's McDonald Observatory, and colleagues shows that buckyballs are more common in space than previously thought. The research will appear in the March 10 issue of The Astrophysical Journal.

The team found that "buckyballs do not occur in very rare hydrogen-poor environments as previously thought, but in commonly found hydrogen-rich environments and, therefore, are more common in space than previously believed," Lambert says.
Artist's concept of buckyballs and polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons around an R Coronae Borealis star rich in hydrogen. Credit: MultiMedia Service (IAC)
Artist's concept of buckyballs and polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons around an R Coronae Borealis star rich in hydrogen. Credit: MultiMedia Service (IAC)
Resonate state of plasma?
- It almost looks like it is "snowing" electric crystals in space on this picture.
Could these complex forms of crystals, buckyballs and nanotubes be recreated in a resonant (dust) plasma medium in a lab?
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Re: 'Buckyballs' spotted in interstellar space

Unread post by tayga » Fri Mar 04, 2011 1:08 pm

Maddogkull1 wrote:http://www.newscientist.com/blogs/short ... erste.html
Chemists have been fascinated by the tiny balls of carbon known as buckyballs since they were first made in the laboratory in 1985.

But apparently nature knows how to make them, too – and in great abundance.
Amazing stuff here. Thought I should share this with you guys.
Interestingly circular story. C60 was actually discovered when Kroto, Smalley and Curl tried to replicate the environment of a carbon star using laser spectroscopy.
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