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The EM Universe

Beyond the boundaries of established science an avalanche of exotic ideas compete for our attention. Experts tell us that these ideas should not be permitted to take up the time of working scientists, and for the most part they are surely correct. But what about the gems in the rubble pile? By what ground-rules might we bring extraordinary new possibilities to light?

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Re: The EM Universe

Unread postby Jarvamundo » Wed Apr 14, 2010 12:28 am

1 more thing.... now just run with me here...
hmmm... BBT = quasars = dust collecting black holes (don't ask me how the BH's got there)... so... if you picture it... i guess the best way might be, with a chess-board of BH-time... put 1 grain of rice (dust spec) on the first square of time... 2 on the second.... 4 on the third... (we know how the gravity story goes)... each square is a unit of time as the body accretes mass.

given (according to BBT) that we 'see' the biggest dustiest quasars now... by the above logic... we should find (as we look back) way way more of these priomordial rice collecting minimal dust quasars... the point being is a gravitational quasar would logically spend most of it's units of time trying to get started? collecting small grains of rice to grow... spending relatively longer in it's early life.

it would seem logical with any coalescing model of anything

but in contrast...
high energy electrical z-pinch matter creation, would observe the other way round no? high energy z-pinch quasars start off maximum potential, or atleast really high (yes it may increase)... they would not spend long in this mode... quickly 'stepping' away from it's early life.

surely there are statistical probabilities that can be tested here?

I'm just picturing if this comes from the 'spark'... it's going to form and evolve quickly... where as coalescing will be slow.

isotropy tests would also remain... EU/PC/EMU would predict 'new' quasar clustering near E-current activity... BBT would expect isotropic behavior. We will either see EU-quasars form in non-isotropic clusters near current, or current will be concentrated into high-energy eu-quasars that even more quickly evolve away from these early-quasar descriptions.

ouch.. anyways... i see some big predictions available with EU's model of quasars... i'll hand it back to you gary. inspiring thread.

PS: I'm sure you're aware of it... but a nice pic of Saturn here:
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Re: The EM Universe

Unread postby GaryN » Thu Apr 15, 2010 12:54 pm

In order to change an existing paradigm you do not struggle to try and change the problematic model. You create a new model and make the old one obsolete. -Buckminster Fuller
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Re: The EM Universe

Unread postby Jarvamundo » Fri Apr 16, 2010 12:26 am

arp will be licking his lips. Another ejection perhaps
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Re: The EM Universe

Unread postby GaryN » Sun May 16, 2010 11:04 am

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Re: The EM Universe

Unread postby GaryN » Thu Jun 03, 2010 8:57 pm

I was trying to find some images of the 47 Tucanae cluster, mentioned recently in another post, at different wavelengths that might show some form of structure, not just a big blob. Came by this sketch, which seems, maybe, to show some plasma-globe like filaments, but certainly shows arc segments, or perhaps toroids, arranged radially around a dense center. Having seen this, when I went back to look at the other images, I did see one that suggested there are loops of connected stars, so there does appear to be some structure in there. Electro-magnetic, of course.

Ooops, image to big error. Heres the link anyway.

http://www.whiteoaks.com/sketches/47tuc.html
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Re: The EM Universe

Unread postby GaryN » Wed Aug 25, 2010 12:01 pm

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Re: The EM Universe

Unread postby GaryN » Fri Aug 27, 2010 11:30 am

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The Southern Crab Nebula, one of my favorite examples of a pinched flux tube.
I believe that at the very center is a spark gap that gives rise to the toroidal E/M structures. As the tension in the flux tube increases, the energies are drawn into a purely magnetic longitudinal 'wire', as in the center of a coaxial cable. It is the spherical scalar and impulse emissions of the spark gap that drive the formation of the EM structures.

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Re: The EM Universe

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Re: The EM Universe

Unread postby GaryN » Mon Aug 30, 2010 10:53 am

Hi allynh,
Can turbulence in a flux tube explain the formation of the torus or sphere around the pinch point? I'm algebraically challenged, so boundary layer math is all Greek to me, but are you saying the movement and patterns of the turbulence in a plasma can form these E/M structures?
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Re: The EM Universe

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Re: The EM Universe

Unread postby GaryN » Tue Aug 31, 2010 1:04 pm

Just looking into the turbulence and plasma subject allynh. I haven't found anything yet that suggests the kind of magnetic field strengths that are observed around pinches could be generated by plasma turbulence. Something to keep me occupied on a rainy day though! :-)

Plasma turbulence: Research

http://www.ipp.mpg.de/~fsj/research.html

Magnetic fields get reconnected in turbulent plasma too, Cluster reveals

http://www.esa.int/esaSC/SEMDI3T4LZE_index_0.html
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Re: The EM Universe

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Re: The EM Universe

Unread postby GaryN » Mon Sep 06, 2010 7:45 pm

I would certainly never discount the importance of turbulent plasmas in the bigger picture, allynh, but I just don't see it as part of the driving force of the pinch. I did mention turbulence once before, as being the cause of the moonlets in the rings of Saturn. If the rings are charge separated, then the boundary layer vortices are double layer vortices, and at the tips of the vortices will be the formation of a plasmoid.The configuration of the E/M energies compact any dust present into the 'seed' of these moonlets. Build-up is then achieved by way of repeated sputter deposition as the moonlet oscillates between the rings.

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I haven't checked out this idea yet, but today my "Uber Ich" passed some concepts to my verbal side, that I think integrate what I have read from Titus-Bode, Miles Mathis, Bucky, Dan Winter, and who knows who else. It concerns and perhaps answers the question of the planetary orbits in the catastrophes, the asteroid belt, and the electrical scarring of the planets and moons.
There are never any words with these insights, but the images seemed clear.
In the case of an increase in energy dissipation by our Sun, from an increase in the Birkeland current, there is a pulling-in of the orbits of the planets, and of the moons of those planets. They will still be spaced in the Phi relationship, but will orbit faster, creating more charge as they pass through the suns increased magnetic field.
There is no need of an interloper planet from outside the solar system for there to be close enough encounters for the (increased) charge to leap between them. The asteroid belt WAS a planet, caught not just in a current stream, but subject to an 'ugly' destructive harmonic resonance. The rocky pieces of the planet would then be orbiting in a tight, very energetic ring-current torus, and be transmuted by bombardment to the high metal content observed in some, which often are pinch shaped, asteroids.
As the power in the circuit returns to more normal levels, the orbits would relax, and the asteroids would spread out into their present state by repulsion of the now more loosely contained, highly charged remnants.
This could also explain the fast orbiting, close-in, gas giants seen around other Suns. These will be high powered Suns, with a close-in, strongly resonant torus, in which dust is formed into a hollow , thin, multi-layered sphere.
The Earth tilted over, causing the inertial flooding, which might also explain (starbiter michael?) some dune features as the water receded, patterns similar perhaps to those observed on river beds or the beach when a wave is receding. The waves would explain the smashed deposits of flora and fauna, and their entombment in layers of sandstone, the sand being from the concurrent electrical excavations, far and near.
Also,this tipping, placing the current poles closest to the other charged planets, would tie in with the earths apparent N.polar excavation/S.polar deposition.
Well, that's all the received images described. Maybe not true, perhaps das Uber-Ich can be mischievous :-), but at least I think I could interest Warner Bros in a good disaster movie script!
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Re: The EM Universe

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Re: The EM Universe

Unread postby GaryN » Wed Sep 08, 2010 8:56 pm

Hi seasmith,
Transmittance would imply a less than 100% output vs. input, would it not?
The energy for dissipation in my model is from a release of magneto-dielectric energies stored in a 'torqued' Aether. The tension in the flux tube (the Universe is a Tensegrity structure in my book) will reach a magnitude such that a magnetic gap is created, which is filled by the Aetheric energies. In doing so, much energy is released, in the form of spherical scalar 'waves' and impulse 'spikes', I think.(The perfect spike is of infinite amplitude and zero duration.) The pinch could then be seen as the gate(s) on a device that isn't, but is as close to as I can imagine, a Double Gate Tunneling F.E.T. The verbal me can not always understand the images from the non-verbal side. :-)
In the case of the spark, the power dissipation is many times more than the energy contained in the flux tube (or tubes, if you have multiple suns). The E/M structures formed around the spark will transform the released Aethric energies into energies, within the created toroids and DL spheres, that end up outside the machinery as mass, a most efficient and stable way to 'lock up' that energy.
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