What produces consciousness?

What is a human being? What is life? Can science give us reliable answers to such questions? The electricity of life. The meaning of human consciousness. Are we alone? Are the traditional contests between science and religion still relevant? Does the word "spirit" still hold meaning today?

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Re: What produces consciousness?

Unread postby moses » Mon Aug 16, 2010 7:02 pm

Unfortunately I didn't mention perhaps the key element into what happens to consciousness at conception. Through the genes of DNA there is a connection to the experiences, and so perhaps also the experiencing or consciousness, of all the ancestors that had that gene. Now a drama for the body is also a drama for consciousness, so that extreme pain will cause a block in consciousness, as well as physical repression in the brain and epigenetic changes. There is then an enormous amount of blockage that needs to be cleared, in the form of all those ancestral traumatic experiences which we are connected to via our DNA.

And so again I say that the ancient catastrophes that EU indicates, are so important to consider. Because through understanding what happened allows access to the blockages. And by clearing the blockages in consciousness allows the experiencing of the greater consciousness. Also bodily electric currents increase as the physical epigenetic changes are neutralised. This is kundalini.

So we can find out what produces consciousness by clearing the blockages in consciousness.
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Re: What produces consciousness?

Unread postby bboyer » Tue Aug 17, 2010 2:00 am

GaryN wrote:Soul Survivor - Reincarnated World War II pilot?

Certainly seems genuine, and is not the first claim of this type, but perhaps the most detailed examination of such.

There are other reviews of this case, but here is an ABC TV video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72oCyrbgN_I


1) Consider the source (a ratings hungry television program, from ABC specifically; as if it matters)
2) Why media publicity for such a personal, private matter as a past life? $$$, possibly? A certain case of $ signs and a "Balloon Boy" in Denver, CO, comes to mind. Maybe not as blatant a craving for publicity and cash, but who knows what's going on behind the scenes?
3) http://skeptico.blogs.com/skeptico/2005 ... ion_a.html, for at least one alternate perspective
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Re: What produces consciousness?

Unread postby bboyer » Tue Aug 17, 2010 2:21 am

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The past, whether ancient or not; whether drama-filled and catastrophic, whether glorious, or whether of the rather mundane, peaceful type is DEAD and gone. Let it go, say I. It's that simple. Not very exotic or entertaining or lucrative, maybe. But very liberating, imo and experience. Anything else, besides truly honoring the past by simply letting go of it (digging into the specifics and the [over] analyzing of it NOT required), to me borders on an unwholesome, morbid curiosity if not obsession. Been there, done that. No more, thank you.

The present moment is sufficient unto itself, is entirely whole, and lacks nothing -- if it is only recognized, allowed, and accepted.

Alan Watts wrote:
Yesterday doesn't exist, tomorrow never comes. There is only today.



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Re: What produces consciousness?

Unread postby Grey Cloud » Tue Aug 17, 2010 4:02 am

Alan Watts wrote:

Yesterday doesn't exist, tomorrow never comes. There is only today


Tomorrow Comes A Day Too Soon - Flogging Molly
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Re: What produces consciousness?

Unread postby StevenO » Tue Aug 17, 2010 7:30 am

The "now" is a play presented to our consciousness by the rest of our body -- Ab Dijksterhuis
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Re: What produces consciousness?

Unread postby Grey Cloud » Tue Aug 17, 2010 8:22 am

StevenO wrote:The "now" is a play presented to our consciousness by the rest of our body -- Ab Dijksterhuis

Hi Steven,
Rubbish. :) Your body is a play presented by your consciousness. :geek:
And your sig is wrong too. :o The past belongs to life and the future to death. :ugeek:
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Re: What produces consciousness?

Unread postby StevenJay » Tue Aug 17, 2010 12:51 pm

Grey Cloud wrote:
StevenO wrote:The "now" is a play presented to our consciousness by the rest of our body -- Ab Dijksterhuis

Hi Steven,
Rubbish. :) Your body is a play presented by your consciousness. :geek:
And your sig is wrong too. :o The past belongs to life and the future to death. :ugeek:

Whoa - parry and thrust. . . and thrust again! :? Bwah-ha-ha-ha-a-a-a! :twisted: :P
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Re: What produces consciousness?

Unread postby StevenO » Tue Aug 17, 2010 1:00 pm

Grey Cloud wrote:
StevenO wrote:The "now" is a play presented to our consciousness by the rest of our body -- Ab Dijksterhuis

Hi Steven,
Rubbish. :) Your body is a play presented by your consciousness. :geek:
And your sig is wrong too. :o The past belongs to life and the future to death. :ugeek:

As usual you have everything backwards :D Must be your age starting to show... Did'nt you learn that everything is relative since 1905?
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Re: What produces consciousness?

Unread postby Grey Cloud » Tue Aug 17, 2010 2:00 pm

StevenO wrote:
Grey Cloud wrote:
StevenO wrote:The "now" is a play presented to our consciousness by the rest of our body -- Ab Dijksterhuis

Hi Steven,
Rubbish. :) Your body is a play presented by your consciousness. :geek:
And your sig is wrong too. :o The past belongs to life and the future to death. :ugeek:

As usual you have everything backwards :D Must be your age starting to show... Did'nt you learn that everything is relative since 1905?
As far as I am concerned the world's had it backwards since Aristotle, never mind Einstein. :(
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Re: What produces consciousness?

Unread postby bboyer » Tue Aug 17, 2010 3:24 pm

StevenJay wrote:
Grey Cloud wrote:
StevenO wrote:The "now" is a play presented to our consciousness by the rest of our body -- Ab Dijksterhuis

Hi Steven,
Rubbish. :) Your body is a play presented by your consciousness. :geek:
And your sig is wrong too. :o The past belongs to life and the future to death. :ugeek:

Whoa - parry and thrust. . . and thrust again! :? Bwah-ha-ha-ha-a-a-a! :twisted: :P


:lol: It does, indeed, take two to fully tango.

Both viewpoints are, incredibly or not, vicey-versey; not one-or-the-other.
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Re: What produces consciousness?

Unread postby StefanR » Tue Aug 17, 2010 9:13 pm

If the past is what the present was and the future is the present to be, the present seems to be between the future and the past.
But when the past is not and the future is not, where is the present supposed to be?
There is no future, there is no past, there is no present.
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Re: What produces consciousness?

Unread postby bboyer » Wed Aug 18, 2010 12:58 am

StefanR wrote:There is no future, there is no past, there is no present.


Guess that's that, then. :lol:
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Re: What produces consciousness?

Unread postby Grey Cloud » Wed Aug 18, 2010 3:05 am

arc-us wrote:
StefanR wrote:There is no future, there is no past, there is no present.


Guess that's that, then. :lol:
For now at least. :)
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Re: What produces consciousness?

Unread postby StevenO » Wed Aug 18, 2010 7:12 am

StefanR wrote:If the past is what the present was and the future is the present to be, the present seems to be between the future and the past.
But when the past is not and the future is not, where is the present supposed to be?
There is no future, there is no past, there is no present.

Ah, somebody thoroughly confused :mrgreen: We are doing great then :D

Let me try to explain it: the now is the world presented to you at lightspeed since that is the smallest timescale we can use in this universe. But timescales are relative, just like viewpoints. So depending on the viewpoint you could well be considered immortal. :ugeek: Time to slow down... ;)
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Re: What produces consciousness?

Unread postby Grey Cloud » Wed Aug 18, 2010 7:29 am

StevenO wrote:
StefanR wrote:If the past is what the present was and the future is the present to be, the present seems to be between the future and the past.
But when the past is not and the future is not, where is the present supposed to be?
There is no future, there is no past, there is no present.

Ah, somebody thoroughly confused :mrgreen: We are doing great then :D

Let me try to explain it: the now is the world presented to you at lightspeed since that is the smallest timescale we can use in this universe. But timescales are relative, just like viewpoints. So depending on the viewpoint you could well be considered immortal. :ugeek: Time to slow down ;)
Au contraire, Blackadder! The now is the world as perceived by you at lightspeed since that is the best your visual sense can do*. :P
Darkness has no need for speed because it doesn't go from or to anywhere; it just is.
Similarly with sound and silence. :geek:

* This only applies if one accepts the scientific explanation of how light and vision works. ;)
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