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Re: Noctilucent clouds and intentional ignorance...

Unread postby StefanR » Tue Jul 06, 2010 6:43 am

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On June 11, 2007 the cameras on the AIM satellite returned some of the first data documenting noctilucent clouds over the Arctic regions of Europe and North America. This new data reveals the global extent and structure of these mysterious clouds, to a degree that was previously unattainable. White and light blue represent noctilucent cloud structures. Black indicates areas where no data is available. Credit: Cloud Imaging and Particle Size Experiment data processing team at the University of Colorado Laboratory for Atmospheric and Space Physics
http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/aim/multimedia/first_view.html

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Re: Noctilucent clouds and intentional ignorance...

Unread postby StefanR » Tue Jul 06, 2010 6:53 am

Rocket Measurements of Aerosol Particles in The Polar Mesosphere
Noctilucent Clouds as Dusty Plasmas


Motivation and background:
Noctilucent clouds (NLC) form in the arctic mesosphere (~80-110 km altitude) in the summer. As the name implies, these clouds are seen at night. Shortly after sunset, the sky is black because the lower atmosphere is in the earth's shadow but the upper atmosphere is still illuminated. Thus these clouds are often seen against a starry background. They occur in the summer at about 85 km altitude because the rising arctic air is strongly cooled by expansion, and is in fact colder than in the winter (~120 K rather than ~240 K). The cloud particles are ice. This is inferred from their forming in conditions where the water vapor would be supersaturated.
The altitude of these clouds puts them in the ionosphere where there are free electrons created by solar wind particles, and during the daytime, UV irradiation. The electrons can attach to the ice particles thus creating a "dusty" plasma.
There is also thought to be meteor dust in the ionosphere. These particles can also become charged and may act as the nucleation centers for the NLC particles. Meteoric dust particles in the mesosphere have never been detected in situ and are only known from models.

What we are doing:
We have developed plasma probes that are carried by rockets into the mesosphere for the purpose of finding charged aerosol particles. These could be either meteoric dust or NLC particles. The probe is simply a patch of graphite (about 2 cm x 6 cm) mounted flush with the side of the payload. The velocity component of the rocket transverse to the payload axis carries the particles into the patch. A circuit measures the current I to the patch. We can then find the density of particles using I = nevA where physics students will recognize the variables. The plasma has an equal number of plus and minus charges so you might think we could collect no net charge. However, we mount a simple permanent magnet behind the patch and push away the unattached electrons, which have a small Larmor radius and we collect the charge residing on dust particles. The Larmor radii of the dust particles is very large so the dust particles are not deflected. The atomic and molecular ions are deflected but not enough to prevent some detection of ions. Also, the collisions of these ions with the flowing neutral gas tends to overcome the magnetic force. So our probe doesn't separate ions from dust particles as cleanly as we would like. So we are trying to find the right amount of positive bias voltage to put on the patch to help get rid of the pesky ions. http://plasma.colorado.edu/research.html
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Re: earths spaceshocks (spacequakes)

Unread postby seasmith » Tue Jul 27, 2010 1:04 pm

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July 27, 2010: Researchers using NASA's fleet of five THEMIS spacecraft

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The surprise is plasma vortices, huge whirls of magnetized gas as wide as Earth itself, spinning on the verge of the quaking magnetic field."When plasma jets hit the inner magnetosphere, vortices with opposite sense of rotation appear and reappear on either side of the plasma jet," explains Rumi Nakamura of the Space Research Institute in Austria, a co-author of the study. "We believe the vortices can generate substantial electrical currents in the near-Earth environment."


http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/sc ... acequakes/
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spacequakes and birkeland currents

Unread postby MattEU » Sat Jul 31, 2010 11:17 am

thanks for posting the link seasmith

does anyone know if birkeland currents in pairs rotate in opposite directions? the report and quote mentions the plasma vortices (they seem to have found 2 at the moment) spin different ways. if they are not birkeland currents is there any sort of electromagnetic circuit or force that could do this? i have found a couple that might show it but its all guess work at the moment
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Re: earths spaceshocks (spacequakes)

Unread postby seasmith » Sat Jul 31, 2010 3:35 pm

MattEU
...if birkeland currents in pairs rotate in opposite directions ?


yes

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Re: earths spaceshocks (spacequakes)

Unread postby Sparky » Mon Aug 02, 2010 4:23 pm

MattEU wrote:my mate emailed me this report Plasmabomben lösen Weltraumbeben aus (Plasma bombs create Galaxy Earthquakes) and its the only thing i can find. the problem is that its in german and it looks to be either brand new or not reported on yet. that english title seems to be correct although it might have lost a little in translation.

there is an english translation of it here called Spacequakes triggered by the Suns Plasma Bombs but its a bad software translation and it is more frustrating as i feel i am missing out on vital bits. i would have posted the full translation but i am hoping that someone who is into the electric universe theory translate it into english for us properly? or perhaps i only have to wait a few hours before it goes global...


what is really interesting (i think) is the bit about how it is like an earthquake ...

Plasma bomb on the magnetic field trampoline

The plasma bomb time and again thrown back into space, says Baumjohann: First, with about a thousand kilometers per hour, then at half speed, then with 360 km / h. "The measurement curve is similar to the seismogram of earthquake," says the researcher. "That really surprised us." The energy released by both natural phenomena is comparable, says Rumi Nakamura of the Academy. However: "A Space earthquake extends over a much larger area, the energy is distributed accordingly." A spacecraft that fly through the affected area could, according to the cosmic vibrations Baumjohann but quite dangerous.



i see that this was started in may...i just happened to read this, posted 27 july, today...not much info., and may be a redo of op...
http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/s ... 00727.html
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Re: earths spaceshocks (spacequakes)

Unread postby MrAmsterdam » Tue Aug 03, 2010 4:42 am

I see that this was started in may...i just happened to read this, posted 27 july, today...not much info., and may be a redo of op...
http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/s ... 00727.html


Thanks Sparky

In the article ;
"In fact, Earth can actually stimulate asteroidquakes when wayward space rocks fly too close to our planet."


Brilliant! We speculated a few months ago about asteroid and meteoor colors and also about asteroid quakes.

http://thunderbolts.info/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=2905&start=0

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Anomalous "Figure" in Aurora

Unread postby Speed Metal » Tue Aug 03, 2010 5:29 am

I saw this article about some aurora associated with our recent CME. This picture shows an odd "figure" in the top right corner (circled). The explanation was a satellite being impacted by the magnetic storm. But will charged plasma flow into a... i hate to say it.... bow shock-like appearance when encountering something like a satellite? Wouldn't the plasma encase the sat in a cell? Does not the "figure" bear some resemblance to a plasma instability? I look forward to reading this discussion!

Here's the link to the article and better quality pic:

http://news.discovery.com/space/norway-aurora-satellite-flare.html



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Re: Anomalous "Figure" in Aurora

Unread postby bboyer » Tue Aug 03, 2010 5:41 am

Looks like an elve+sprite to me. Sprites, Blue Jets, Elves and "Superbolts"
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Re: Anomalous "Figure" in Aurora

Unread postby MattEU » Tue Aug 03, 2010 8:25 am

it does look like the shape of a sprite/elve. are they meant to be formed only when there is an electrical discharge going upwards or downwards?

is there any other EU thing that shape that might fit in with whats going on in an aurora?
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Re: Anomalous "Figure" in Aurora

Unread postby webolife » Tue Aug 03, 2010 1:54 pm

I think the shape of upper atmospheric jets, elves and sprites has to do charge distribution as a function of the atmospheric particle density/temperature layering, and not so much if anything to do with direction of plasma travel. Any one have some evidence/measurements regarding plasma flow characteristics in aurora to elucidate this? On a related question, do boreal and australial auroral flows both move downward, both upward, or is one going "down" and the other "up" wrt the surface of the earth, and has this been conclusively measured?
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Re: Anomalous "Figure" in Aurora

Unread postby Shelgeyr » Tue Aug 03, 2010 9:00 pm

I think the structure is a pinch formation of some sort, and here are some (poorly sourced on my part, I admit) examples of similar structures on a much larger scale:

"Pulsar" -
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Nebula -
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Another Nebula -
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My thanks to people here, by the way, for originally pointing these pictures out to me a long time ago.
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Re: Anomalous "Figure" in Aurora

Unread postby Speed Metal » Wed Aug 04, 2010 6:53 am

Shelgeyr wrote:I think the structure is a pinch formation of some sort, and here are some (poorly sourced on my part, I admit) examples of similar structures on a much larger scale:

My thanks to people here, by the way, for originally pointing these pictures out to me a long time ago.


That's exactly one of the pics (That's the Crab Nebula pulsar isn't it?) that popped into my head when I saw this aurora pic. That and Perratt's instabilities.

The sprite/elf/blue jet idea is also intriguing. Have they been spotted in clear skies before? I always thought that they were associated with thunderstorms and cloud tops? Also, aren't these types of lightning very large and very brief? If it indeed was one of the sprites or elves than it must be one of those rare lucky snaps.

Sorry for all the questions! :oops:

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Re: Anomalous "Figure" in Aurora

Unread postby Shelgeyr » Wed Aug 04, 2010 8:15 am

That first picture I posted is of the Vela Pulsar. Don't worry, I initially thought it was the Crab Pulsar as well, and only found out otherwise when trying to source the picture.

See also: http://chandra.harvard.edu/photo/2000/vela/
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Re: Anomalous "Figure" in Aurora

Unread postby mharratsc » Mon Aug 09, 2010 10:09 am

I agree with you guys- in my opinion it's a pinch with a torus. The question is- what is a pinch and a torus doing in a plasma sheet like that? :?

Is it possible that the perspective is way off on the shot, and what is seen is actually some distance beyond the region of the plasma sheets of the aurora itself?

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