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Re: Carbon Dating Results

Unread postby Krackonis » Wed May 19, 2010 6:18 am

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Re: Carbon Dating Results

Unread postby remelic » Wed May 19, 2010 6:48 am

That sounds fair to me. So the time frame is shifted slightly shorter the longer back you go because the Earth had more charge back then. I agree that Earth had more charge the farther back we go. That is logical. Is it also logical to assume that it can have that charge again or will the charge decay from then on?

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Re: Carbon Dating Results

Unread postby nick c » Wed May 19, 2010 10:05 am

Some information on carbon (and radiometric) dating:
Here is a link to radiometric variability correlated to distance from the Sun:
http://arxivblog.com/?p=596

The article by Juergens on radiohalos, located on page 10 of the AIG news, would also apply to carbon dating, .
http://www.aig.asn.au/pdf/AIGNews_May06.pdf

There was an issue of Pensee devoted to carbon dating:
http://www.catastrophism.com/cdrom/pubs ... /index.htm
Lots of valuable criticisms in those articles, even a cautionary note from Libby the inventor of the method.
http://www.varchive.org/ce/c14.htm

Links to tpods:
http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2005/ ... fossil.htm
http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2009/ ... ongago.htm
http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2009/ ... ngago2.htm

Here are some other links:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/1755932/cc-2
http://www.jamesphogan.com/bb/bulletin.php?id=1159
http://www.detectingdesign.com/carbon14.html#Problems


Electromagnetically induced nuclear beta decay
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1984PhRvC..29.1825R

Observation of the acceleration by an electromagnetic field of nuclear beta decay
http://cat.inist.fr/?aModele=afficheN&cpsidt=20279471


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Re: Carbon Dating Results

Unread postby Krackonis » Wed May 19, 2010 11:27 am

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Re: Carbon Dating Results

Unread postby allynh » Wed May 19, 2010 12:27 pm

Remlic, atoms are far more interesting than consensus likes to admit, and radio-decay rates are variable. Look at the Geological time scales, and notice that the farther in the past you look, the longer each time frame is.

Geologic time scale
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geologic_time_scale

Geologic clock
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Geologic_clock.jpg

Geological time spiral
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Geolo ... spiral.png

Geological Time Scale
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Geolo ... _Scale.png

What you are seeing is the "Geological Finger of God" pointing to the present.

In essence, the farther back in time you look the larger the time scales appear to become. All of the dating systems depend on constant rates of decay for an undisturbed sample, which is why they fail. Each layer of crust laid down, each fossil, started its individual clock ticking, and consensus thinks that the clock runs undisturbed. The problem is, each of those clocks were accelerated as each new event occurred. So the oldest clocks are showing pulse after pulse of accelerated time, making each age seem greater than it is.

This is the list of Transmutation threads I've found along the way that discuss the issue.

Nuclear Decay Varies With Earth-Sun Distance
https://www.thunderbolts.info/forum/php ... =942#p9277

Recovered: Transmutation on Stars, Planets etc
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=209&st=0&sk=t&sd=a

Mummified Dinosaurs / electric fossilization...?
viewtopic.php?f=4&t=123&st=0&sk=t&sd=a#p765
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Re: Carbon Dating Results

Unread postby remelic » Wed May 19, 2010 1:50 pm

I understand completely now thank you this will help immensely with my next project.

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Re: Carbon Dating Results

Unread postby webolife » Thu May 20, 2010 1:10 pm

If you truly understand "completely", you need read this post no further.
Radiocarbon dating correlates well with known historical events back to about 5000 BP, but this correlation is based on the assumption that rates of C14 production and assimilation are in equilibirum, roughly what is observed today. "Roughly" is a key word here which leads to an error range that increases with smaller and smaller amounts of radiocarbon, ie the further you run the process "back in time." Now if, as some data shows, the current rate of production to assimilation is not in equilibrium, ie. there is less production than assimilation, then dating of fossils will produce larger numbers than is accurate. By the same token, if the atmosphere was less "mixable" in the past [as I believe...there was more of a greenhouse climate, evidenced by subtropical flora/fauna found in every fossil "layer"], then there was less mixing of the C14 from above with creatures on the surface; in this case radiocarbon dates will also be exaggerated, and increasingly moreso as you try to date objects that lived and died closer to that time of less mixing. Whatever catastrophic events are put forth to describe this radical change in the atmosphere, rapid changes in the past had apparently nearly leveled out [to today's ratios] by around 5000BP, but there is no way to know how long before... was it a few centuries, or several millenia, or millions of years?
My premise is one of catastrophic change happening in the arena of circa 7000 BP give or take a millenium. When I read a radiocarbon result of say 50,000 BP, I think <~7000 BP>... when I see 7000BP I think <~5500 BP>, and so on.
Regardless of any of these assumptions, it is very difficult to draw accurate conclusions from radiocarbon anyway. This is because the ratio of C14 to C12 is about 1/1000000, so in one half-life [less than 6000 yrs], this ratio decreases to 1/2000000, and obviously even tinier with successive half-lives. So often radiocarbon dates are only taken in accordance with assumptions from uniformitarian stratigraphy, subject of another thread.
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Re: Carbon Dating Results

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Re: Carbon Dating Results

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Re: Carbon Dating Results

Unread postby mharratsc » Tue May 03, 2011 6:14 am

MY thought is- it is simply one more paper from the orthodoxy. The point of this whole thread is to call into question the very dating methods they use to assert such claims.

When was the irridium and soot laid down- "65 million years ago"? And there is a 'Great Extinction' every 65 million years? Odd happenstance, wouldn't you say- how gravity and sunlight alone might account for a cyclical regularity of global extreme change like that?

Radiocarbon dating is questionable, and is not the yardstick by which Mankind should measure times past on our planet.
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Re: Carbon Dating Results

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Re: Carbon Dating Results

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It's all about perception.
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Re: Carbon Dating Results

Unread postby nick c » Tue May 03, 2011 11:34 am

Sounds like something illegal :shock:
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Re: Carbon Dating Results

Unread postby webolife » Tue May 03, 2011 2:02 pm

What Nick said [previous two posts]. ;) Can't get the image of the couple in the back seat with the radio blaring out of my head.
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Re: Carbon Dating Results

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