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Electric Meteors and Meteorites

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Re: Nickel-Iron meteorites - questions

Unread postby Total Science » Sun Aug 16, 2009 12:21 pm

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Re: Nickel-Iron meteorites - questions

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Ontario Meteorite

Unread postby junglelord » Sat Oct 10, 2009 3:13 pm

BLINDING FIREBALL: On Friday night Sept. 25th, at approximately 9:03 pm EDT, an asteroid the size of a child's tricycle hit Earth just above Lake Ontario. It was a lucky strike, right in the middle of a network of seven all-sky cameras operated by the University of Western Ontario (UWO). The disintegrating asteroid produced a blinding fireball 100 times brighter than a full Moon. Click on the image to view a movie from the Hamilton, Ontario, station:

http://spaceweather.com/swpod2009/10oct ... vg239cakn7

The asteroid exploded in flight, producing strong low-frequency sound waves in the atmosphere. Analysis of infrasound records
http://aquarid.physics.uwo.ca/research/ ... plot-2.jpg

along with video from the seven camera stations lead researchers to believe that fragments of the asteroid could have reached the ground. "This bright fireball was large enough to have dropped meteorites in a region south of Grimsby, Ontario, on the Niagara Peninsula,
http://aquarid.physics.uwo.ca/research/ ... l_path.jpg

providing masses that may total as much as several kilograms," according to a UWO press release.

Researchers at Western Ontario are interested in hearing from anyone within 10 km of Grimsby who may have witnessed or recorded the fireball, seen or heard unusual events at the time, or who may have found possible fragments of the freshly fallen meteorite. Meteorite-hunting tips and more video may be found here.

http://aquarid.physics.uwo.ca/research/ ... 5sept2009/
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Re: Ontario Meteorite

Unread postby nick c » Sun Oct 11, 2009 8:16 am

JL,
re:
http://spaceweather.com/swpod2009/10oct ... vg239cakn7
Wow! an amazing video.
It has the appearance that the meteor is at first moving directly toward the camera and then flashes or explodes and then is deflected on a course away from the camera. I realize that this could be an effect of a "fisheye" lens, however it seems to be real, any thoughts?

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Re: Ontario Meteorite

Unread postby junglelord » Sun Oct 11, 2009 9:33 am

The link to the direction of travel, on the map, shows a straight line...
However when it spits apart, they must explode in all directions, would it not?
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Re: Ontario Meteorite

Unread postby mharratsc » Sun Oct 11, 2009 4:07 pm

How about the fact that it is a tiny little fireball, then all of a sudden the diameter of the 'fireball' grows by a factor of 20, and flickers/flashes? That was not an explosion! Matter of fact- it wasn't a 'fiery' anything!

Yet another mini-comet event, from something not 'cometary' in nature, hmm? ;)


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Re: Ontario Meteorite

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Re: Ontario Meteorite

Unread postby junglelord » Mon Oct 12, 2009 9:29 pm

Z Pinched into infinity with no debris or very little if any. The arc welder explosive events are clearly electrical hence the Z Pinch explosive moments clearly pulsed trained high, low, high, low.
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Re: Ontario Meteorite

Unread postby junglelord » Wed Oct 14, 2009 12:03 pm

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Re: Ontario Meteorite

Unread postby junglelord » Fri Oct 16, 2009 7:19 am

Another space visitor with a really good photo.
http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap091015.html
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Re: Ontario Meteorite

Unread postby jjohnson » Sat Oct 17, 2009 3:49 pm

This last picture of 'another space visitor' is illustrative of pieces breaking off the main body and decelerating more quickly than the main mass, as their lower mass/momentum relative to frontal area responds to drag by decelerating more quickly. This leads them to fall behind. In the instance of the first meteor video, the separation was definitely more energetic, although any physical explosion, absent atmospheric drag, results in the center of mass's remaining on its same trajectory, if any. Electromagnetically induced explosions would not necessarily respond the same as simply physically being torn apart along weak lines by atmospheric drag, or by chemically-induced explosions like fireworks. The kinky trajectories due to collapsing double sheaths in solar flares and at larger scales indicated by radio astronomy images of quasar ejection are examples of more electrified phenomena. The first video looks like the main mass shed a pair of smaller objects, at least one of which looked like it hooked a sharp turn, distinctly non-ballistic.
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Re: Ontario Meteorite

Unread postby mharratsc » Mon Oct 19, 2009 6:43 am

Regarding that link that JL posted (thanks JL- good pic!):

To take Jim's diagnostic a step further- consider those pieces that broke off and decelerated sooner than the parent body. Unless that meteor was a flammable metal, *why* are the pieces that are braking in the atmosphere (and presumably cooling more rapidly than the parent body) showing just as much incandescence as the parent is?

My suggestion is that it is because the body is luminous primarily due to electrical stress vs heat from friction, and that the pieces that are breaking off are doing so not from thermokinetic force, but rather the main body is fissioning to provide greater surface area to handle the electrical stress of approach to a body of much, much greater charge potential (much as how Wal Thornhill has theorized planetary birth in the EU model.)

I would be willing to wager that- if we had the instruments to see it with- we would detect twisting pairs of current filaments connecting the parent body and the children, and that it would probably look very much like a short, filamentary comet tail.

There! How's that for a non-scientist-type person? Whatcha think? :D


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Re: Ontario Meteorite

Unread postby jjohnson » Tue Oct 20, 2009 8:14 pm

I'm thinking' it sounds plausible if fissioning can happen on a small scale. Shoemaker-Levy for example? It didn't just dip into an event horizon to break up into 2 dozen bitty pieces by steep gravitational stress, did it? Plasma phenomena scale down and up, right? Trouble is we can't know what voltage potential differences might have existed when this occurred.

I can't answer the brightness angle because I don't know if smaller pieces decelerating at higher g's would maintain or increase their brightness thermally or not. We always have thought of meteors as rocks entering and if they "go out" then we have assumed that they "burned up" through atmospheric friction, or slowed so much that they stopped radiating in the visible prior to hitting the earth. Has anybody ever trained an IR camera or video camera on a meteor shower like the Leonids and observed the heat patterns during reentry? UV or X-ray cameras? Anybody: other than radio receiver arrays, what imagers are candidates for seeing filamentary currents, presumably in the dark mode? Especially in-atmosphere? We need a little he'p over here! :?:
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Re: Ontario Meteorite

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Re: Ontario Meteorite

Unread postby redeye » Wed Oct 21, 2009 10:42 am

Here we go:

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