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Historic planetary instability and catastrophe. Evidence for electrical scarring on planets and moons. Electrical events in today's solar system. Electric Earth.

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Solar System and Planet Formation

Unread postby starbiter » Mon Mar 24, 2008 3:46 pm

Is there an EU origin for Earth? From my reading of EU, i assume it was ejected by a gas giant. My vision is something like Venus when first expelled. Any thoughts?
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Re: origin of Earth

Unread postby moses » Mon Mar 24, 2008 5:49 pm

Did you read about the latest evidence that suggests that
the Moon, Mars and Earth have a similar origin that is
different to the asteroids ? Having come from the mainstream
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/20 ... 140319.htm
one can't give this much credence, however it is interesting in
that these three planets are theorised to be together in the
Saturn System line-up. Thus suggesting they were formed from
the same astral object, but not likely at the same time, otherwise
they would likely be identical.
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Re: origin of Earth

Unread postby Ironmonkey » Tue Mar 25, 2008 1:50 pm

Hi, I think as Wall said that earth has come from Saturn as Mars, Venus and Titan. The moon and mercury seens to be similar and coming from Jupiter, maybe Saturn and i have a guess that moon has come from Uranus... I think that if we want to find life we must look for planets similiar to Saturn in the spectrum composition...
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Re: origin of Earth

Unread postby starbiter » Tue Mar 25, 2008 2:21 pm

Thanks Ironmonkey. I thought our parent was Saturn, but wasn't sure. The theory is similar for Venus, i believe, but more recent. My question is, was the Earth hot and similar to Venus today, when Earth was first expelled? If so, how much time would be required for the change? I think the first temperature readings of Venus were higher than the second readings. I think it's cooling as Dr. V predicted. Although with Solar warming making Earth and Mars warmer, this cooling may have reversed. Would the original atmosphere of Earth have consisted of Sulfuric Acid like Venus today? Talk about vacation paradise.
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Recovered: ELECTRICITY involved in the formation of planets?

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Re: Recovered: ELECTRICITY involved in the formation of planets?

Unread postby bboyer » Fri Mar 28, 2008 3:52 pm

Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2007 11:55 am Post subject: Reply with quote
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Very interesting. There's also an overview of their with menu links to the experiment, and other aspects of the project. They note that "Gravity plays an crucial role for the structure of plasma crystals.", which is expected in since grains are far more massive than ions.

Hannes Alfvén and JM Wilcox first modeled planet formation over 40 years ago, see the following which include the full texts online:


* Alfvén, H.; Wilcox, J. M., " " (1962) Astrophysical Journal, vol. 136, p.1016
* Alfven, H., "" (1978) Lunar and Planetary Science, IX, PP. 10-12. 03/1978
* Alfven, H., "" (1981) In ESA The Solar System and its Exploration p 65-73 (SEE N82-26087 16-8)


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Re: Recovered: ELECTRICITY involved in the formation of planets?

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Click on this for a video of the coagulation process:



Wonderful stuff this technology!!! :D

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Re: Recovered: ELECTRICITY involved in the formation of planets?

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Good job, Dave. Thanks for this important thread!
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Re: Recovered: ELECTRICITY involved in the formation of planets?

Unread postby bboyer » Fri Mar 28, 2008 4:07 pm

Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2007 9:20 pm Post subject: Reply with quote
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A LOT can be inferred from the Plasmakristall site.
If you can read German there is a lot of useful info not in English too.

One thing that strikes me is the the weather implications. My
read is that low plasma densities and gas pressure make room
for the coulomb lattice. In the coagulation video if I recall
correctly, the plasma was briefly turned off... "Melting" and
re-cristallization are very interesting, especially for the
planetary implications. Planetary, i.e. low pressure zones?

Anyway, you are going to have to squint your eyes for this
one... A real SWAG on my part... but the first thing I saw when
I saw the "void" was this:

A Polar Jet. Do you see the vortices? Find a site with an
animated gif and it is like watching a prop turn.

http://www.mpe.mpg.de/pke/index_e.html
http://www.mpe.mpg.de/pke/PKE/Results_e.html

Microgravity3s.gif

(click to view larger image)

http://www.st-andrews.ac.uk/~dib2/GE100 ... here2.html

200hPa.jpeg

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Anyway, cloud formation could possibly be due to low plasma
density and barometric presure, making room for cellular/crystal water
structures (clouds). The type of cloud then dependent on a wide
variety of variables like temperature and altitude related
potentials. Change one of the variables and you get clouds,
rain, hail, or snow...

More jet stream images:

http://user.gs.rmit.edu.au/caa/global/jet.html

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Re: Recovered: ELECTRICITY involved in the formation of planets?

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Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 12:19 am Post subject: Reply with quote
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Not that I'm grasping much of it, but interesting that polygonal structuring enters the picture here http://www.mpe.mpg.de/theory/plasma-cry ... dex_e.html , about midway down the page.
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Re: Recovered: ELECTRICITY involved in the formation of planets?

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Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 12:28 am Post subject: star formation ? Reply with quote
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Isn't this evidence of star formation rather than planet formation ?

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Re: Recovered: ELECTRICITY involved in the formation of planets?

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