How does the electric universe paradigm explain gravity?

[euniverse]

Gravity is explained by electricity because all inertia and force is electromagnetic in origin.

So attraction is really a myth, explained better by force (or acceleration/deceleration)?
So is all movement governed by electromagnetism, and if so, why haven't the equations been derived yet?

[earls]

why haven't the equations been derived yet?

EXACTLY! Why haven't they!?!?

Why couldn't we just pretend for an instance that perhaps gravity really is electromagnetism... What would be the requirements? What values would the variables have to be? Apply the results of Gravitational equations...

Certainly perhaps the numbers "just wouldn't add up." But then, what would we have to adjust? What required piece of the puzzle is missing that would make the equations match observations?

Take those predictions and search for them via experiment...

This is exactly what they do for dark matter, dark energy and gravity waves, they simply fudge the numbers in and say "this is what we're looking for." The thing is, nothing has turned up!

I wouldn't be surprised if they modeled gravity as electromagnetism and ended up with the fudge factor equal to the numbers they use for such. They simply won't try it because "everyone knows that's just not the way it is!"

Maybe this has been done already, but if so, WHERE IS IT?! Where are the equations that say "THIS ABSOLUTELY POSITIVELY CANNOT BE TRUE!"

[StevenO]

Gravity is explained by electricity because all inertia and force is electromagnetic in origin.

So attraction is really a myth, explained better by force (or acceleration/deceleration)?
So is all movement governed by electromagnetism, and if so, why haven't the equations been derived yet?

What observation would make us believe that gravity or inertia is electromagnetic in origin? Do we measure an EM wave when I lift my glass? Does the gravitional constant change when I put a weight in a Faraday cage? Not at all...
It's all Einstein's fault by assigning both EM field properties (Special Relativity) and Gravitational Field properties (General Relativity) to empty space. Something that physics still has'nt recovered from.

[euniverse]

I will say this, nature works holistically.

on a physical level, enzymes are difficult to understand as merely proteins or molecules, because of their behaviour. They carry a 'life force' that decays over time, and are not merely organic matter.

so the solution to gravity will have to be holistic in nature, just as the electric universe is holistic by design. Gravity is an observed phenomena within an interdependent system, the question being, what exactly is it?

How does gravity operate relative to the whole. Goethe described all color being created by the interaction of light and dark. Perhaps gravity works the same way, different levels of attraction between mass is created by the interaction of two opposing forces.

[StevenO]

I will say this, nature works holistically.

so the solution to gravity will have to be holistic in nature, just as the electric universe is holistic by design. Gravity is an observed phenomena within an interdependent system, the question being, what exactly is it?

How does gravity operate relative to the whole. Goethe described all color being created by the interaction of light and dark. Perhaps gravity works the same way, different levels of attraction between mass is created by the interaction of two opposing forces.

If you mean 'holistically' as different effects in the universe having the same origin, I agree, if you intend it as 'we don't know, except that everything must be connected...' I would say that has the same amount of meaning as 'the God of gravity did it' as the going explanation was a few thousand years ago.

I have no doubts about the origin of gravity. There is a very good explanation for it (in two opposing motions that can be interpreted as forces) and it is definitely not a result of an 'holistic electric universe'.

We know now that color is our human interpretation of a very small range of the EM radiation spectrum, being the part of solar radiation that is not absorbed by our atmosphere.

[StevenO]

Some explanation from the BAUT forum on QM's explanation of gravity:

Quantum physics says, that gravity isn't just a property of mass, the warping of space/time is the mass, so that matter is actually a distortion of space/time.

The best way that can be seen is that 'mass' is a motion of space/time that goes counter to the motion of space/time when it is not manifested as 'mass'. That also explains why the force of gravity is 'instant' (it does not have to propagate).

[Total Science]

What observation would make us believe that gravity or inertia is electromagnetic in origin?

"By applying an electric field across a spherical capacitor filled with a dielectric liquid, a body force analogous to gravity is generated around the fluid." -- James E. Arnold, geoscientist, March 1995

"The advantage of using this [Geophysical Fluid Flow Cell] apparatus is that it simulates atmospheric flows around stars and planets, i.e. the "artificial gravity" is directed toward the center of the sphere much like a self-gravitating body." -- James E. Arnold, geoscientist, March 1995

"The experiment verified that dielectric forces can be used to properly simulate a spherical gravitational field to drive thermal convection." -- James E. Arnold, geoscientist, March 1995

"All planets revolve in approximately one plane. They revolve in a plane perpendicular to the lines of force of the sun’s magnetic field." -- Immanuel Velikovsky, cosmologist, 1946

"The phenomenon (why not questioned at all?) that Nitrogen lighter than Oxygen does not move to the higher level in the atmosphere, though the air is a mixture and not a compound, is another fact of disobedience to the ‘law’ of gravitation. Also water, in small drops, is lifted then dropped by electrical charges and discharges." -- Immanuel Velikovsky, cosmologist, November 1942

"An atom differs from the solar system by the fact that it is not gravitation that makes the electrons go round the nucleus, but electricity." -- Bertrand Russell, physicist/philosopher, 1924

"Magnetism is possessed by the whole mass of the earth and universe of heavenly bodies, and is an essence of known demonstration and laws. By adopting it we have the advantage over the gravity theory by the use of the polar relation to magnetism. A magnetic north pole presented to a magnetic south pole, or a south pole to a north pole, attracts, while a north pole to another north pole or a south pole to another repels. This gives to us a better reason than gravitation can for the elliptical orbit of the planets instead of the circular. It also gives us some light on the mystery of the tides, the philosophy of which the profoundest study has not solved. Certain facts are apparent; but for the explanation of the true theory such men as Laplace and Newton, and others more recent, have labored in vain." -- C.H. Kilmer, historian, October 1915

"...the great truth, accidentally revealed and experimentally confirmed, is fully recognized, that this planet, with all its appalling immensity, is to electric currents virtually no more than a small metal ball...." -- Nikola Tesla, physicist, 1904

Does the gravitional constant change when I put a weight in a Faraday cage? Not at all...

You're lying. You've never performed the Cavendish Experiment in a Faraday Cage.

[MGmirkin]

"By applying an electric field across a spherical capacitor filled with a dielectric liquid, a body force analogous to gravity is generated around the fluid." -- James E. Arnold, geoscientist, March 1995

In what context, this quote? Don't suppose you've a citation? Sounds like an interesting experiment was done and interesting results obtained?

Regards,
~Michael Gmirkin

[earls]

http://microgravity.grc.nasa.gov/fcarch ... iments.htm

Go to Google and search for: spherical capacitor nasa or GFFC. Then you will get several documents about experiments with spherical capacitors simulating gravity field conditions for studying behavior of fluids.

http://www.blazelabs.com/f-efield.asp

[Vek]

You see all them stars in the night sky. well that light aint just on the stars and the back of your eyes, it has to travel, filling up all the void in all directions as it goes. That's just the visible spectrum, add to that every other gamma ray, x-ray and all those plasma discharges from every other galaxy center and binary pair gives the desired acceleration of matter.

When a cat is out in space it floats free, held gently in inertia by all them energys bombing in from every direction in space.
Now put the earth in front of it and it will in effect block some of that energy force from reaching the cat on that side. Once the cat is in the earths shadow from the incoming force, it is the remaining now uneven pressure which now pushes the cat towards its final destination and once in the total energy shadow from one side, it will find itself in free fall.

Just a thought, as I see gravity more as an effect of a force acting upon objects meeting, rather than just a force in itself so no polarity.

[StevenO]

You see all them stars in the night sky. well that light aint just on the stars and the back of your eyes, it has to travel, filling up all the void in all directions as it goes. That's just the visible spectrum, add to that every other gamma ray, x-ray and all those plasma discharges from every other galaxy center and binary pair gives the desired acceleration of matter.

When a cat is out in space it floats free, held gently in inertia by all them energys bombing in from every direction in space.
Now put the earth in front of it and it will in effect block some of that energy force from reaching the cat on that side. Once the cat is in the earths shadow from the incoming force, it is the remaining now uneven pressure which now pushes the cat towards its final destination and once in the total energy shadow from one side, it will find itself in free fall.

Just a thought, as I see gravity more as an effect of a force acting upon objects meeting, rather than just a force in itself so no polarity.

So how do you explain then that gravity cannot be shielded?

[webolife]

I don't follow the cat in the earth's shadow explanation myself, but StevenO, a book sitting on a table is thereby "shielded" from the effects of gravity... no, you say, just put a standard bathroom scale between the book and the table and you'll notice a force [gravity] acting on the book... but this is only a superficial argument as noted by the astronaut in the ISS whose book and table are just floating around his head, apparently "shielded" by the orbital vectors of the space station... any kind of supposed "shielding" [EM or otherwise] is subject to similar constraints of relative position and/or motion and/or wrt the measuring system. "Shielding" is just a way of talking about the relative transparency or opacity of various materials to different aspects of the pressure gradient of the unified force field.

[Vek]

So how do you explain then that gravity cannot be shielded?

Like Newton said; it's a decending spirit type thingy.

When the cat is in space it is in maximum possible gravity, getting hit from all sides by energys that for the most part passes through it and most things that you could use to try and shield it with. However if a planet the size of the earth were to appear in front of it, a good portion of the incoming energy would be blocked from that side and because the cat is made in part of the same energy as the incoming is; they interact with each other and the cat, who now being hit less on the earth side begins to accelerate towards the shadow created by the earth being there, until it reaches the point where it is totally shaded against on one side and goes into freefall towards the ground.

The best way to shield the cat against gravity is to place it at the very center of the earth. This way the cat can now float in true zero gravity and since it is the incoming energys that was making the cat grow older; it will now stay forever young.

To fully understand this; throw some cats out of windows.

[Farsight]

I know how gravity works. It's an exhibition of the unification of the forces. It's a gradient in the relative strength of the electromagnetic force and the strong force. Only they're all pseudoforces really, it's all in the geometry.

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