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Philosophical Problems with Einstein's SRT and GRT

Unread postby Sithri » Wed Jan 30, 2019 11:32 am

SRT and GRT has many philosophical problems that I am aware of. Please tell me if I'm wrong about these philosophical problems, or my understanding of SRT and GRT in these problems. Here's a list of problems with SRT and GRT in philosophy:

A quick joke about Relativists and then onto the problems:

Question: Why should followers of General and Special Relativity not be taken seriously?

Answer: They fail to see the gravity of the situation.

A Reductio ad Absurdum with the Invariancy of Celeritas and LIght-clocks

Does the idea that the speed of light is invariate in all frames ensure the light-clocks synchronicity, or does it not?

1, As the embankment observer sees this contraction and dilation of the train moving appreciably close to c, and the train looking at the embankment observer sees this contraction and dilation when moving appreciably close to c. However, how can both be at different rates of ticking on their light-clocks? Embankment>train, and train>embankment. Thus there is a contradiction.

2. But then to the person in the train looking at the interior of the train it would not occur to them that their clock is faster or slower and the light-clock would be invariant due to them not observing their own length-contraction and time-dilation. Neither would the embankment observer see their own length-contraction and time-dilation.

3. Therefore, the observer outside of the train looking at himself on the embankment,and with the observer inside the train looking at himself, the embankment clock and the train clock would be synchronous at the same time! Therefore the clocks are synchronized with both but they do not know it because they are both looking at their own light-clocks.

4. But let’s say it’s a glass train, due to their own non-seeing of their own length-contraction or time-dilation, while also viewing their own invariance of time, and due to observing the other’s time-dilation or length contraction, then both observers would both see and not see synchronicity ! A contradiction in terms.

5. Thus there is either contradiction or synchronization.



Reductio ad Absurdum with Shared Consciousness

Let us say that Embankment Observer and Train Observer had shared consciousness. Let us say that both have two cameras and TV screen connected with a live feed and both have light-clocks of their own. The Embankment Observer had a TV, with a camera looking at the Embankment from the Train’s own Point-of-View and a camera looking at the inside of the Train. And the Train Observer with a camera looking at the Train from the Embankment’s Point-of-View and a camera looking at the Embankment from it’s own Point-of-View, with the TV giving him the live feed. Thus they share a consciousness in a sense. Now, would both observe the same thing or not?





Invariance and Clock Speed and Special Relativity Theory

I think the main problem with relativity is confusing distance traveled with speed. If I have a light-clock and another light-clock is ticking faster, it doesn’t mean the speed of light has changed for both, it means the distance traveled differs. Thus how can a light-clock function as a meaningful clock whenever it changes its distance traveled but not its speed? If we relied upon a light-clock to tell us time, I don’t see how the light-clock is a real manifestation of a real time. No one would age any differently because of a sundial speeding up or slowing down. Likewise, with the light-clock, only if the speed of light changed would time itself truly change.



Ellipsoids, Spheres, and SRT

If light is given off as a spherical wavefront from a certain light-clock, and if the motion of the light-clock on a train is sufficient, then length-contraction and time-dilation and/or following geodesics would occur. If so, would it deform the light’s geometry to an ellipsoid since it travels through this space and time that is contracted and dilated?

If the light’s geometry is an ellipsoid, then it is a non-inertial reference frame, and, on top of that, it wouldn’t travel as a sphere even though it must in all inertial frames due to the invariance of the speed of light in all directions. However, it must be an ellipsoid or else the ‘ticking’ of the light-clock wouldn’t change according to time-dilation, length-contraction, or geodesics.

Also, if everything around the light was dilated, wouldn’t this exclude the light? What is the boundary between the light and its surroundings?

Evolution and SRT

Why haven’t we evolved to see things in 4-d space-time if it is truly the reality?

The Present and SRT

If the present exists, then instead of time being a dot on a timeline, it is more of a cycle through time. If the present exists, then so does simultaneity, which in itself disproves Einstein’s SRT.

Oscillating Electromagnetism and the invalidity of SRT with such

If electric fields and magnetic fields are both oscillating in Electromagnetic Radiation, then that means that neither of them are at rest with regard to one another. If Special Relativity is to be true, then that means we must treat light like a wire with either a magnetic or electric charge bisecting it. However, light itself is not like a wire, and has both magnetic and electric fields oscillating. If we get rid of the Electric field of light, we don’t have a magnetic field, and if we get rid of the Magnetic field for light, we don’t have an electric field; this means that neither can be at rest in Electromagnetic radiation, and therefore there is a privileged frame of reference that light takes, and/or Einstein is wrong and there isn’t a singular magnetic or electric reference frame that is at rest with regard to the other. If wires are bisected by a magnet it creates a current because it pulls the magnetic charge of the electrons in the wire and therefore moves the electrons. We must not forget that this is due to macro-proportioned physics and geometry, while quantum physics deals with electromagnetism in a quantum-circuit that is the electron that is electric and magnetic and gravitational, all of them being simple force laws and geometry that is different than a wire.

Proving General Relativity Wrong with privileged law

Why does the General Theory of Relativity work for gravity, instead of being a force it rather is the curving of space-time, but not for magnetism or electrostatic charge? In other words, why is gravity the only thing that curves space-time but not electrostatic charge or magnetism? Why is it given this privileged position?

Proving General Relativity Wrong with Energy-Mass density

Also, if the energy-mass density is what makes the curvature of space-time, then we must include the energy of the electrostatic and magnetic fields, which would make the energy-mass density higher than the sole mass-density, which would render the gravitational curvature more than it is supposed to be to be equivalent to Newton’s Law.

Proving SRT wrong through consciousness bias

Einstein used observers that looked at clocks in trains and on embankments in order for his Special Relativity theory to work. However, would nature itself observe the same discrepancy that humans or any consciousness do or will do? If there weren’t an observer, would SRT still be valid? For instance, the observer in the train sees two lightning strikes at different times, but the observer on the embankment sees them at the same time. Is this not a consciousness bias instead of a natural bias?
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Re: Philosophical Problems with Einstein's SRT and GRT

Unread postby Orion » Wed Jan 30, 2019 4:07 pm

Oops looks like I tried to answer these dilemmas by posting my work "Signal Observability at Hyper Light Velocity" on the forum New Insights and Mad Ideas. My apology I am new at this. I do not intend to hijack the current conversation. In my paper I show how time, space, the velocity of the Signal Source, and the position of the observer are related to signal observability. It turns out to be geometric, no need to warp anything, all clocks tick at the same rate. It show that using time as now, always increasing in a more positive sense, is consistent with the observability hypothesis. In other words we can set up a future experiment and start it a time = 0 s and watch how things progress. Any attempt to make time go (-1) is a math trick and not applicable to the physics in the Universe, the Universe we live in and have to deal with. The undefined terms, divide by 0 relationship, in Einstein Special Relativity (1905) are removed by placing the Observer of the signals closer to the axis of the Signal Source velocity vector and ahead of the moving Source so that the signals can be observed. Please read and advise me on how to best proceed.
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Re: Philosophical Problems with Einstein's SRT and GRT

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Re: Philosophical Problems with Einstein's SRT and GRT

Unread postby ToEmaster » Thu Jan 31, 2019 9:31 am

Einstein gave properties, power and significance to two human contrivance that don’t exist in nature.
There is not a cubic inch of empty space in the universe. Space is filled with electromagnetic radiation and matter from myriads of sources.
Time is a human invention from the observation of periodic events: sunrise-sunset, moon phases, birth and death etc. There is no absolute time. Einstein and his followers confuse time with its measuring device, the clock.
Therefore the whole theory is false.

The last real science was Newton’s, Maxwell’s, Faraday’s etc. when theories were tested and science was relatable and tangible. Science got corrupted and distorted since then.
Simplicity, elegance and common sense are the greatest measures of intelligence.
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Re: Philosophical Problems with Einstein's SRT and GRT

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Re: Philosophical Problems with Einstein's SRT and GRT

Unread postby Orion » Mon Feb 04, 2019 5:56 pm

From wiki on Special Relativity, "Events that occur at the same time for one observer can occur at different times for another."

The above wiki statement from Special Relativity does not match reality. Imagine all observers everywhere near each other with synchronized clocks. synchronized clocks means they all say the same time. Now these observers with their clocks move very slowly away from each other to distant parts of the universe. Each clock rate remains the same and they all still say the same time. Now at some time one observer initiates a signal that leaves her position at midnight. This marks time = T0 on all clocks. We realize that as all clocks keep ticking the signal reaches different observers at different times depending on how far away they are from the signal source. When one observer sees the signal two day later it just means that that observer is two light days away from the signal source. Another observer sees the signal on day 3. This observer is 3 light days away from the source. Now in this section all observers have velocity 0 with respect to each other. The observation of the signal by day 2 and day 3 observer does not imply three different events.

Having moving sources complicates the math but it does not change clock tick rates. Observers can put marks on clocks to show a history of seeing things via light signals. The time difference between seeing these signals is the same as starting and stopping a stop watch. Well the stop watch tick rate and all observer tick rates remain constant. In this example the velocity of the source is constant also. What can be different for different observers is (1) when the observer sees the signal in reference to the Source initiation of the signal and (2) the time difference between signals. A moving source may put out two signals say 3 seconds apart. A stationary observer may see on their stop watch 2.5 seconds between the signals. This does not mean that time is warping or space is bending in some Lorentz formulation. We cannot ignore the time delay of the signals reaching the stationary observer and the observer position in relationship to the velocity vector of Signal Source.
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