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Looking for evidence of mega-lightning in other systems?

Unread postby willendure » Thu Oct 27, 2016 8:17 am

I was just reading this, about what we can deduce about weather conditions on exo planets:

http://mentalfloss.com/article/51819/te ... exoplanets

Some of these have regular close encounters with other planets - one of the hypothesised events that gave rise to mega lightning and planet scale scarring. Would we not expect to be able to detect lightning of this power at these distances? Perhaps eventually we will.
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Re: Exo Planets and Solar Systems

Unread postby nick c » Sun Aug 05, 2018 1:59 pm

Keep an eye on this story, a rogue planet 20 ly away has been discovered traveling solo through interstellar space.
Not that I have any commitment on this, but I am sure that this discovery will bring some commentary from the TBP. It seems to be demanding a TPOD, Space News, or blog or all of the above...

From the article there is the usual misinterpretation. It notes the enormous magnetic field and attributes various phenomena to it, but of course they are missing the point that magnetic fields are the signature of electric currents.
http://www.astronomy.com/news/2018/08/free-range-planet

Many here will recognize this as an intermediary between a Brown Dwarf and Gas Giant, or as Velikovsky described the type in Worlds In Collision (1950) p. 373, "...some dark star, like Jupiter or Saturn, may be in the path of the sun and may be attracted to the system and cause havoc to it."
Anyway, not to worry about this 'dark star' as it is at a safe distance.
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Re: Exo Planets and Solar Systems

Unread postby celeste » Tue Aug 07, 2018 4:51 pm

nick c wrote:Keep an eye on this story, a rogue planet 20 ly away has been discovered traveling solo through interstellar space.
Not that I have any commitment on this, but I am sure that this discovery will bring some commentary from the TBP. It seems to be demanding a TPOD, Space News, or blog or all of the above...

From the article there is the usual misinterpretation. It notes the enormous magnetic field and attributes various phenomena to it, but of course they are missing the point that magnetic fields are the signature of electric currents.
http://www.astronomy.com/news/2018/08/free-range-planet

Many here will recognize this as an intermediary between a Brown Dwarf and Gas Giant, or as Velikovsky described the type in Worlds In Collision (1950) p. 373, "...some dark star, like Jupiter or Saturn, may be in the path of the sun and may be attracted to the system and cause havoc to it."
Anyway, not to worry about this 'dark star' as it is at a safe distance.


Any references for the direction here? Or redshift, for this object? Or how they determined distance (is this a parallax error?). This is an interesting observation, but I need some more details, if anyone can help.
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Re: Exo Planets and Solar Systems

Unread postby The Great Dog » Sun Aug 12, 2018 12:35 pm

Looks like Thunderbolts questions the whole premise:

https://www.thunderbolts.info/wp/2017/0 ... nets-gone/

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Re: Exo Planets and Solar Systems

Unread postby moses » Sun Aug 12, 2018 8:39 pm

If the surface of the Sun was actually a double layer where a lot of material had gathered and 'solidified' then other stars might not be so solidified in their double layers and so the double layers could vibrate and this could be confused with actualy change in velocity of such a star. Thus confusing planet hunting.

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Re: Exo Planets and Solar Systems

Unread postby D_Archer » Mon Aug 13, 2018 12:21 am

The Great Dog wrote:Looks like Thunderbolts questions the whole premise:

https://www.thunderbolts.info/wp/2017/0 ... nets-gone/

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Those were my thoughts after the trappist discovery... i read the actual paper and they do have some good data...

What else could it be?

trappist paper for reference> https://arxiv.org/pdf/1802.01377.pdf

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ps Trappist-1 Criticisms > http://www.thunderbolts.info/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?p=117963
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Re: Exo Planets and Solar Systems

Unread postby D_Archer » Tue Aug 28, 2018 7:03 am

Rogue Planet or Rogue Science? | Space News > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBSsokoWYvg

Astronomers recently reported what is being hailed as the "first radio telescope detection of a planetary mass object beyond our solar system." The object, which is being described as a possible "rogue planet," is challenging some of the astronomers' bedrock ideas about, among other things, the assumed differences between gas giant planets and brown dwarf stars. Wal Thornhill explores why this discovery is resoundingly consistent with the electrical theory of the formation of stars and planets.

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The case of the over-tilting exoplanets

Unread postby Robertus Maximus » Tue Mar 05, 2019 10:11 am

https://phys.org/news/2019-03-case-over-tilting-exoplanets.html

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41550-019-0701-7

"For almost a decade, astronomers have tried to explain why so many pairs of planets outside our solar system have an odd configuration—their orbits seem to have been pushed apart by a powerful unknown mechanism. Yale researchers say they've found a possible answer, and it implies that the planets' poles are majorly tilted.

"The finding could have a big impact on how researchers estimate the structure, climate, and habitability of exoplanets as they try to identify planets that are similar to Earth. The research appears in the March 4 online edition of the journal Nature Astronomy.

"NASA's Kepler mission revealed that about 30% of stars similar to our Sun harbor "Super-Earths." Their sizes are somewhere between that of Earth and Neptune; they have nearly circular and coplanar orbits; and it takes them fewer than 100 days to go around their star. Yet curiously, a great number of these planets exist in pairs with orbits that lie just outside natural points of stability.

"That's where obliquity—the amount of tilting between a planet's axis and its orbit—comes in, according to Yale astronomers Sarah Millholland and Gregory Laughlin.

""When planets such as these have large axial tilts, as opposed to little or no tilt, their tides are exceedingly more efficient at draining orbital energy into heat in the planets," said first author Millholland, a graduate student at Yale.

""This vigorous tidal dissipation pries the orbits apart."

"A similar, but not identical, situation exists between Earth and its moon. The moon's orbit is slowly growing due to dissipation from tides, but Earth's day is gradually lengthening.

"Laughlin, who is a professor of astronomy at Yale, said there is a direct connection between the over-tilting of these exoplanets and their physical characteristics. "It impacts several of their physical features, such as their climate, weather, and global circulations," Laughlin said. "The seasons on a planet with a large axial tilt are much more extreme than those on a well-aligned planet, and their weather patterns are probably non-trivial."

"Millholland said she and Laughlin already have started work on a follow-up study that will examine how these exoplanets' structures respond to large obliquities over time."

Yale researchers have 'found' an answer but is it the right answer? What "powerful unknown mechanism" can modify planetary orbits to maintain stable configurations? Tidal or electrical?
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Re: The case of the over-tilting exoplanets

Unread postby celeste » Tue Mar 05, 2019 6:04 pm

Robert is, This was addressed in one of “the electric view” videos on YouTube. And your post helps confirm that idea.

The idea is that if our solar system is strung on a current filament, then planets can orbit in one of those concentric shells, in a nearly circular orbit. It would then have a spin axis aligned to that shell, from which it gets its current. Venus as an example.
A planet that moves in and out of that shell, would have its axis pointed towards that shell. Witness the fact that Earth and Mars at perihelion, have a their north poles tilted away from the sun, while at aphelion, have their north poles tilted towards the sun. That Is, the close correspondence of the winter solstice point in Earth’s north hemisphere, to the perihelion point in Earth’s orbit, can be explained if Earth’s North Pole is tilted towards a constant radius from the sun (one of those cylindrical shells). Mars shows the same relationship exactly.

Sorry, but I can’t find the correct video in the “electric view” video series.
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Re: The case of the over-tilting exoplanets

Unread postby Cargo » Wed Mar 06, 2019 10:55 pm

watching (because I want to see this video too)

celeste, your words paint a perfect picture. Thank you.
interstellar filaments conducted electricity having currents as high as 10 thousand billion amperes
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Re: The case of the over-tilting exoplanets

Unread postby D_Archer » Thu Mar 07, 2019 6:26 am

Robertus Maximus wrote:"NASA's Kepler mission revealed that about 30% of stars similar to our Sun harbor "Super-Earths." Their sizes are somewhere between that of Earth and Neptune; they have nearly circular and coplanar orbits; and it takes them fewer than 100 days to go around their star. Yet curiously, a great number of these planets exist in pairs with orbits that lie just outside natural points of stability.


It is good that they put "super-earths" in quotes because recently it has been provide that they do not exist.

A planet larger than Earth and smaller than Neptune is not an Earth like planet. This size range is inhabited by ocean worlds.

Maybe if there is a complete (thick) water surface that may impact the tilt (orbit dynamics) as well..

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Re: The case of the over-tilting exoplanets

Unread postby JeffreyW » Mon Apr 29, 2019 6:43 am

D_Archer wrote:
Robertus Maximus wrote:"NASA's Kepler mission revealed that about 30% of stars similar to our Sun harbor "Super-Earths." Their sizes are somewhere between that of Earth and Neptune; they have nearly circular and coplanar orbits; and it takes them fewer than 100 days to go around their star. Yet curiously, a great number of these planets exist in pairs with orbits that lie just outside natural points of stability.


It is good that they put "super-earths" in quotes because recently it has been provide that they do not exist.

A planet larger than Earth and smaller than Neptune is not an Earth like planet. This size range is inhabited by ocean worlds.

Maybe if there is a complete (thick) water surface that may impact the tilt (orbit dynamics) as well..

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I concur. That stage of planetary evolution is composed of ocean worlds. Oxygen and hydrogen are two out of the three most abundant elements in young stars, when they combine they will make lots of left over water. They are volatiles, but the hydrogen bonds will prevent the water from escaping, after the water is formed.

Thick, deep ocean worlds are all over the galaxy. There are "super Earths" though, that are Earth like and more massive than the Earth, but only slightly. When you move up to something that is >2 earth masses you have a water world.
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